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elostyle said:
What I meant was, where are these 'shipment of the products from manufacturing bases' going? Do manufacturing bases double as warehouses meaning that 'product shipment' figures (i.e. the stuff that's leaving the base) are the summation of orders being fulfilled?
If manufacturing bases just churn out batches which are then delivered to warehouses for subsequent distribution then the 'shipment' term has little meaning to demand. Obviously there's a big difference between the two interpretations. The disclaimer could be interpreted either as 'and then delivered to customers' i.e. suggesting that there is an intermediary where manufactured products rest until they are demanded. Or that it is a disclaimer that they do not account in their financial records revenue off units until they arrive (I guess in case units are damaged or lost in transit).
I don't know enough about the structure Sony use for manufacturing so I thought at least it's best to clarify the difference here rather than assume the worst.
monkeymagic
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ioi said:
He probably means when PSP hits sub $150.
monkeymagic said:
Ok, ok:
1) PSP shipments being larger than DS does not mean that it has outsold DS to date, just that this is how Sony work- they produce far in advance while the DS is currently suffering large shortages. Sold through numbers are very different.
2) PSP will not in the future overtake DS sales. Not a chance.
3) End of discussion.
SolidSnakex
Member
1337 said:
Never listen to what that guy says.
monkeymagic
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ioi said:
At $150 the PSP will outsell DS in NA and EU regardless of what the DS pricepoint is at the time (see $199 PS2 vs $99 GCN)
But it will be at least another 18 months before PSP hits that price so DS has good sales ahead of it in those regions for the time being.
EOGamer said:
Nobody is saying these units are disappearing into a big black void once they leave the manufacturing bases. The issue is whether they are 'shipped' to Sony owned distribution houses before being allocated to customer orders. If that is the case then the numbers do not reflect current demand but just the general manufacturability of the product.
SolidSnakex
Member
monkeymagic said:
A big part of the PSP's success is going to ride on how well they can pull off PSP Connect. If they can do it right, it'll be just what the system needs. The ability to download games, demos, movies, music ect is going to be very appealing.
lochnesssnowman
Member
EOGamer said:
This doesn't really reflect the situation in Japan where DS has now outstripped it's shipped figure and the PSP is well under its 4.2m shipped and doesn't look likely to meet it until later in the year at current pace. Unless the PSP sells 1.3 million units next week. In which case, yes, your model appears valid.
Nintendo DS 5,765,751
PSP 2,911,676
monkeymagic
Banned
SolidSnakex said:
Perhaps but I don't think the content is holding it back at all.
People are still buying it for rehashed PS2 ports and UMD movies which I personally find puzzling.
However, at its current price it isn't one of those products you can buy on a whim - at $150 it will really hit a mass market price with mass market sales to follow.
Frankfurter
Member
monkeymagic said:
Great comparison.
lochnesssnowman said:
Sony account 'Japan' in their shipment figures as all asian territories and South Korea.
"*Figures for Japan include shipments to Asian countries and regions including South Korea."
While your point is still valid, the margin is not nearly as wide as you're suggesting.
lochnesssnowman
Member
Mmmkay said:
Good call, sorry. I never meant to imply that PSP sales are poor or anything (because they're not), just highlighting shipped figures aren't necessarily a way to measure demand. Cheers for the pickup though
SolidSnakex
Member
monkeymagic said:
It's one of the main aspects Sony is pushing for the system, that its a multimedia device and not just a game system. This will really kick that aspect into high gear, which is why its important to get right. They've yet to really take advantage of that aspect as much as they can, and with Connect they'll be taking advantage of it in a big way.
SolidSnakex
Member
Kon Tiki said:
There are plenty of those. The system was built to be a multimedia device, you either like it or you don't. Simple as that.
sonycowboy
Member
AniHawk said:
Not true.
Cumulative Production Shipments of Hardware / PSP® (PlayStation®Portable)
They are shipped numbers. Obviously not sold.
Cube might eek Xbox, still not on merit, has much more to dropping hardware that was making them bleed. A hollow victory for Cube fans but they'll take what they can get cause they don't get much. For instance the 14 games left coming out for Cube compared to 61 on Xbox according to EB, there's still some quality and quantity for current Xbox owners.
It'd be nice to see Xbox numbers, I'd like to see the tie ratio. Looking at PS2's ratio it seems like PS3's success is truly the safest bet for almost everyone involved making it an almost self fullfilling success.
It'd be nice to see Xbox numbers, I'd like to see the tie ratio. Looking at PS2's ratio it seems like PS3's success is truly the safest bet for almost everyone involved making it an almost self fullfilling success.
sonycowboy
Member
D3VI0US said:
Microsoft is releasing earnings today as well
Although, it's unclear that they'll give any update on Xbox shipments, although, I don't think they'll be able to get away from having to give 360 shipments as of 12/31/2005 given it's impact on earnings.
There's also a number of reports making the rounds that the last original Xbox's have been shipped from Microsoft and that they have moved completely over to the 360.
sonycowboy said:
Oh. I can't believe I misread everything in this entire thread. Sorry guys. The thing Mmmkay quoted meant shipped to retailers.
Anyway, that's a shitload of stock in the US. That's like... 1.8 million sitting on store shelves as of the beginning of January. Why? They're around 5 million off overall from their shipment numbers.
Heian-kyo, I was just fucking with ya, regardless
sonycowboy
Member
AniHawk said:
That is the key question. Given Sony's aggressive targets for US Sales this past holiday, you'd have to expect that they shipped enough to meet that target.
Which might bode well for a price drop soon.
sonycowboy
Member
Kon Tiki said:It certainly was not built to be a games machine.
How so? It's got a gorgeous screen, analog controller, excellent ergonomics, high capacity media, and capable of near PS2 quality visuals.
Seems better suited to be a games machine than the DS. However, as with all systems, it's all about the software.
But, IMO, you're ridiculous statement is pure garbage. The hardware isn't a problem for the PSP. The lack of killer software and the high price point are it's current barriers to adoption. Although, it's adoption is still pretty damn good (thus my previous comment about the DS being the fastest selling system of all time and the PSP being the second fastest selling system of all time)
elostyle said:
"*Production shipment units of hardware and software are counted upon shipment of the products from manufacturing bases. Sales of such products are recognized when the products are deliered to customers."
Translation: The PSPs and games that we count are only counted when they are shipped from the manufacturing base. (From Sony to retailer)
Actual sell-through is done later (retailer to customer)
sonycowboy said:
Heh, don't know how savvy those reports are since Microsoft seems to have been quick to quash those rumours:
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=62616
Of course hearing this [somewhat ambiguous] statement just before a major earnings release... Similar situation to the denouncement of DS Lite by NoE just yesterday.
Anyway, back to shipment talk. There's been a few reports of new 'discount' bundles for the PSP among UK chains so it's likely that they did over-order and are now clearing their inventories... Also, just because a product has shipped to a retailer does not mean it has to sit on the shelves. Depending on the size of the company there can be a lengthy chain between a shipment being delivered and it arriving in your local store.
If that meant to retailers only, don't you think they would have put "sold" or "shipped" instead of a made up beat-around-the-bush term that they have to explain in a footnote where they omit the word "retail" completely?
I'm sure that sony doens't have inventory or warehouses at all. There are workers sitting in factories waiting for your local best buy to order some and then they'll get to it. If they need to replace a unit because of a warrenty caes, then your friendly sony customer service rep goes down to the gamestop down the street and buys one to send to you.
I'm sure that sony doens't have inventory or warehouses at all. There are workers sitting in factories waiting for your local best buy to order some and then they'll get to it. If they need to replace a unit because of a warrenty caes, then your friendly sony customer service rep goes down to the gamestop down the street and buys one to send to you.
SolidSnakex
Member
Kon Tiki said:
So you prefer them to be cheap so you can buy a bunch of mediocre or bad games?
Kon Tiki said:
What's the point? It's not built to be a game machine according to you.