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Laughable article about AN INSIDER on THE WAREZ SCENE!

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Willco

Hollywood Square
This strikes me as funny, since this guy said it took him years to get into "The Scene". It takes like, a few minutes. Stupid old people.

Online Groups Behind Bulk of Bootleg Films

Sun Jan 2, 8:01 AM ET Technology - AP

By ALEX VEIGA, AP Business Writer

LOS ANGELES - In not-too-secret online forums, Wesley Snipes' latest movie, "Blade: Trinity," is the subject of intense discussion and evaluation.

But unlike typical movie fan sites, the chatter from visitors to Web sites like VCDQuality.com doesn't key on the vampire film's plot, acting or bloody visual effects.

Instead, computer users dish out praise or criticism on the caliber of video and sound achieved by online groups whose sole mission is to make available unauthorized copies of Hollywood films within a day or two of a movie's debut, if not before.

For these online bootleggers, who authorities say represent the top of a distribution pyramid for pirated movies, software and music, it's all about the bragging rights for being first to copy a hot title or releasing the best-quality replica.

"On the top sites, on those really private sites, the sport is about the next film and the next game," said Marc Morgenstern, vice president and general manager of Overpeer, a unit of Seattle-based Loudeye that combs the Internet for pirated content on behalf of entertainment companies. "That's where those gangs put feathers in their cap. They score even more points if they do it before the release date."

Members of these so-called ripping groups, also known as warez groups, have created a community referred to as "the scene." It exists primarily on the Internet's back alleys — private Internet Relay Chat, or IRC, which is a precursor to the modern instant messaging software, or Usenet news groups that function like bulletin boards.

Unlike popular file-swapping networks where millions of files — mostly for music — are shared relatively easily, it takes more than a casual effort to even begin to find the right place to download a movie.

"The scene is a very close network. Everybody knows everybody else but they haven't met them," said Bruce Forest, a Norwalk, Conn., digital media consultant who says he belonged to the scene for years and now advises entertainment companies. "It can take years until you can get access."

Typically, large movie files are broken down into text that appears to the naked eye as gibberish. Files are distributed through news groups or made available through so-called top sites or private computer servers accessed by File Transfer Protocol, or FTP, an early conduit for exchanging data on the Internet.

Only trusted members of the scene, or those who help get early copies of movies, software and music, are granted access to private FTP links where the newest and highest-quality bootlegs are available. The use of online nicknames and anonymous e-mail accounts is common.

These files eventually trickle down to file-sharing services such as BitTorrent, and from there titles can be copied further given their higher number of users.

Trading of large movie files isn't as much a problem as the swapping of far smaller music files, but Hollywood film studios want to focus attention on it now before the problem gets worse as broadband usage grows.

They prefer to stem it at the source. Once movies migrate from the scene to P2P, the entertainment companies are left few options: Sue computer users and follow the music industry's tactic of flooding the P2P networks with spoofed, or bogus, files to make bootlegs tougher to find and download.

On VCDQuality and other Web sites, ripping groups with names like "Pirates of The Theater," "The Empire Group," and "VideoCD" advertise the movies they have available.

Individual groups even sport their own logos or tags, images often reminiscent of the low-quality gray and black graphics used on old online bulletin boards more than a decade ago.

The groups are typically very hierarchical, with tiers of leadership, said John Malcolm, head of the Motion Picture Association of America's antipiracy unit.

"There are many of them out there, highly organized, very clandestine," Malcolm said. "They're tough nuts to crack."

The groups are often dedicated to converting video shot inside movie theaters or copied from studio screener DVDs into a certain format, such as video CDs. Others focus on acquiring and copying prerelease DVDs.

To get the latest film or software, the groups seek out and maintain contact with Hollywood studio insiders, employees at CD and DVD pressing plants, marketing staff with access to early copies and anyone else who can get them prerelease movies, openly advertising for them on bulletin boards, Forest said.

While entertainment companies have targeted popular file-sharing services and their users with litigation in recent years, they have not been able to discourage insiders who supply the ripping groups with their crop of advance film screeners, DVDs and other content.

In one highly publicized case in April, an Illinois man pleaded guilty to copyright infringement for distributing online the screener copies provided by a Hollywood insider.

Many of the Web sites, news groups and associated IRC discussion boards openly discourage any overt mention of bootlegging, banning people who do. Discussions are typically framed as advice for making legal backups of DVDs or software.

Web sites like VCDQuality advertise themselves as information clearinghouses and don't host any files.

Nonetheless, a recent scan of the movies listed by groups at VCDQuality turned up several films released within the past four weeks, including "Meet The Fockers," "Ocean's Twelve," "Fat Albert" and "Finding Neverland."

The site's administrator did not return repeated e-mail queries for comment.

While users of file-sharing programs like Kazaa, eDonkey and LimeWire are relatively easy to track and identify, the covert nature of the scene has made going after warez groups more of a challenge. To gather evidence, investigators must peel away the layers of technology the groups hide behind.

In 2002, the U.S. Justice Department (news - web sites) shut down a group dubbed "DrinkOrDie," which gained its fame by releasing a pirated copy of the Windows 95 operating system two weeks before Microsoft Corp released it. More than 20 people in the United States were convicted.

Authorities don't have a fix on how many groups exist.

"There are a lot of similarities with the drug war," said David Israelite, chairman of the U.S. Justice Department's Intellectual Property Task Force. "You never really are going to eliminate the problem, but what you hope to do is stop its growth."'

:lol
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Yeah, anyone who uses IRC for any bit of time knows how easy it is to find things. That is if you're social and not a tard. I haven't used IRC in years, but I'm sure if I got back into it again, it wouldn't be too tough to find the usual shares. PEACE.

EDIT: Well, when the fucking refs are cheating, whaddya expect? :lol Good thing I actually want us to lose, otherwise that would have been really annoying.
 

Zilch

Banned
He's not talking about it being difficult to get the files, but how difficult it is to get "into" the ripping/pirating groups.
 

bjork

Member
Zilch said:
He's not talking about it being difficult to get the files, but how difficult it is to get "into" the ripping/pirating groups.

Are you a narc? Did the feds send you?

*bjork sets mode +b Zilch
 

Kon Tiki

Banned
I do not see what is ':lol' about the bolded parts in the article. He is not referring to 'the scene' as suprnova or kazaa.

So it took you, wilco, a few minutes to start 0sec trading on top sites?
 

bjork

Member
My-Scene-Box-Flat-lg.jpg
 

G4life98

Member
I think some of these so-called antipiracy consultants to the movie and music industry are actively sabotaging thier efforts against piracy.

Every new plan, every new press release is crazier than the last :lol

Its apparent now that the movie industry will miss the boat on online distubution just like the music industry and god help them when the fiber optic lines start creeping across the nation and the speeds get really high :lol
 
"In 2002, the U.S. Justice Department (news - web sites) shut down a group dubbed "DrinkOrDie," which gained its fame by releasing a pirated copy of the Windows 95 operating system two weeks before Microsoft Corp released it. More than 20 people in the United States were convicted."


I used to run a FTP for this chan on Undernet, and some of the founders of the group were in DoD so when they were busted the chan basically disappeared for the most part, the FBI got a hold of the userlists and stuff and IP addresses. I was fucking worried when that happened :p


I'm clean now though...
 
Zilch said:
He's not talking about it being difficult to get the files, but how difficult it is to get "into" the ripping/pirating groups.

That was the impression I got. He's talking about joining one of the ripping groups.

You're not in "the scene" if you download warez. Any little shit can do that which is why people who brag about being in "the scene" because they downloaded something always pisses people off; like they actually accomplished something and "hacked the system".
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
He's talking about warez groups, which are not hard to find or download content from. I don't get any indication that he actually ripped movies or was apart of some l337 warez group.

It exists primarily on the Internet's back alleys — private Internet Relay Chat, or IRC, which is a precursor to the modern instant messaging software, or Usenet news groups that function like bulletin boards.

So if we use IRC and Usenet, we're in "THE SCENE"? omg hardk0r3
 

border

Member
He's talking about warez groups, which are not hard to find or download content from.
The article explicitly defines a "warez group" as a "ripping group" (ie the people that actually make warez releases)....not some general public area on internet relay chat.
So if we use IRC and Usenet, we're in "THE SCENE"?
No, you're in the scene if you're in a group's private IRC channel or on their IP-verified FTP site.
 

shuri

Banned
You are in "the scene" if you actually provide groups with goods, as a supplier, crack protections, encode videos, cam movies, and so on. Hanging out in warez channel, knowing people and downloading pirated movies and stuff like that is called being an end user.

That would be like a drug user saying "HEY I'M IN THE HELL ANGELS" because he buys weed off some guy he happens to know
 

Brannon

Member
[lyingthroughteeth]Think I skimmed that article in the store a few days ago. Route 151 Snakes is where its at anyway. I have said too much... they are coming for me...[/lyingthroughteeth]

*shifty eyez*
 

Flynn

Member
God's Hand said:
You should read this WIRED article about topsites:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.01/topsite.html?tw=wn_tophead_9

It's essentially 4 pages of utter bullshit. The writer is either being tricked by someone, or really has no fucking clue what he's talking about.

I'm curious. How do you know this is wrong?

I'm aware that Wired is prone to publishing breathless insider articles with spurious sources -- last years drifting story comes to mind -- but is there a better source for info on this subject?
 

WedgeX

Banned
The groups are typically very hierarchical, with tiers of leadership, said John Malcolm, head of the Motion Picture Association of America's antipiracy unit.

They've got pirate hunters!
 

goodcow

Member
Flynn said:
I'm curious. How do you know this is wrong?

I'm aware that Wired is prone to publishing breathless insider articles with spurious sources -- last years drifting story comes to mind -- but is there a better source for info on this subject?

The article sounds like total bullshit...

Different scenes require different treatments. "It's almost like using a paintbrush," says Forest. "A good ripper will know exactly how to apply the codec properly." A codec, or compression-decompression algorithm, is a method of reducing file size to ease its transfer over the Internet. Video is normally compressed using variations of MPEG codecs. A serious ripper will adjust the bitrate of compression in every scene of a movie to account for changing hue and lighting.

:lol

What the fuck is VBR for then?
 

Doth Togo

Member
G4life98 said:
I think some of these so-called antipiracy consultants to the movie and music industry are actively sabotaging thier efforts against piracy.

Every new plan, every new press release is crazier than the last :lol

Its apparent now that the movie industry will miss the boat on online distubution just like the music industry and god help them when the fiber optic lines start creeping across the nation and the speeds get really high :lol

A lot of the "consultants" are people who used to do it themselves and have friends that are doing it. They NARC out their enemies and make money off of it while letting their friends get away with it, then they get back into it once the competition is gone. I have to deal with them a lot.

Keep a cynical eye out for these "consultants."
 

duckroll

Member
Gold and platinum albums from his days as a producer at Island Records, MCA, and Arista line one wall. A baroque array of computer equipment fills the next, including 13 CPUs and 16 external hard drives (for a total of 3 terabytes of storage). His desk runs the length of the room and supports five full-size LCD displays. I hear a soft ping. "That tells me a movie just made its first appearance on a topsite." He points to a window on the monitor. It shows an innocent-looking list of files from an FTP site. The uppermost file says, "Hellboy.SCREENER.Proper.READ NFO PRE VCD." Translation: The DVD of one of the year's biggest box office hits has been pirated two months before its intended release date. "The FBI would kill to be sitting here looking at this," he says.

Man, Wired really needs to STOP WATCHING SWORDFISH! :lol :lol :lol

Edit: Oh and no, they're wrong about the info too! That just means a screener of Hellboy, probably a tape has been copied and encoded into a VCD and something is probably wrong with it, hence you need to read the NFO to find out what got messed up. :)
 
duckroll said:
Man, Wired really needs to STOP WATCHING SWORDFISH! :lol :lol :lol

Edit: Oh and no, they're wrong about the info too! That just means a screener of Hellboy, probably a tape has been copied and encoded into a VCD and something is probably wrong with it, hence you need to read the NFO to find out what got messed up. :)
or something was wrong with an earlier release since that one was a proper...
 
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