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League of Legends |OT5| Premade Bot
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Stone Ocean
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Fuck Yi, I'm more scared of Tryndamere right now.
PhillipCostigan
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idk if you know, but Lucian's pretty strong you guys.
Imperfected
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I've been saying for a while, yeah. He's also a lot of fun. I don't care if The Culling isn't as "satisfying" as SMDR or Enchanted Crystal Arrow, run and gun is just more fun. Besides, it has to be kind of "meh" to make up for the amount of oomph on his passive.
Edit: I really like his build versatility, too. If you stomp early and base with a pile of gold you can start Bloodthirster, but if you don't you can just start buying piecemeal into a Trinity Force. Having a really adaptive build path is underrated.
Edit: I really like his build versatility, too. If you stomp early and base with a pile of gold you can start Bloodthirster, but if you don't you can just start buying piecemeal into a Trinity Force. Having a really adaptive build path is underrated.
Ever since I've played him after getting him for free, I knew that he was strong.
Honestly, I don't see the jungle become less aggressive. It'll just be delayed to level 4. Going by the leaked post match screenshots of the pros that were invited to test S4, the junglers made out great. The first few screenshots where Madlife had the most gold was from when supports could buy more than one gold generating item, that's been fixed.
I really don't get the fear of jungle Yi and Tryn either. The new jungle items require you to kill monsters to get bonus gold. If I see someone passively farming their melee carry champ in the jungle, I'm ganking lanes hard, I'm coming and stealing their shit with a teammate in tow to kill them too, and I'm forcing my team to take down towers ASAP. And now their jungle is my jungle, and they just blew ~2000g on a gold generating item that requires monsters they no longer have safe access to.
eBay Huckster
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Has the client been horribly broken since either of the last two patches for anyone else? I'm getting "connection timed out" errors trying to connect to games fucking constantly and I never got them before a couple weeks ago.
As much as I would hate admit it, he does have some strengths.
PhillipCostigan
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bind speaking in tongues. people looking at canada man strangely. why he have axe? it begins~~~
PhillipCostigan
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bind are u a blizzard now
>go north
Imperfected
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It is dark. You could be subjected to an overused meme.
Curse Quas has been tearing anuses apart with Olaf in Challenger events.
Crab Milk Mickey
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Counter-jungling is something that I liked doing considering I played Nunu - Cho'gath - Trundle at various points in time, but I understand Riot's reasoning to make the whole jungle experience less harsh than it should be. It's already a fairly demanding role to play efficiently and lowering the barrier of entry for when you get fucked over by allowing you to become useful again in due time (rather than not at all currently) is indeed healthy for the game. Especially when being screwed over an invade can sometimes happen over something as simple as "teammates didn't listen to my two-minutes-in-advance warning" if you laid out your plan before the match even started and hoped for them to react on time as a result.
That said, I'm worried about the state of Nunu in pre-season 4 as his strategic niche may have become much less valuable. We'll see.
Can always grab the sweeper trinket as a jungler and pay attention to your gank target lane of choice, since killing camps is practically auto-pilot anyways. Provided that safely going through a different path to avoid said ward isn't an option for whatever reason. Plus the yellow wards only last 60 seconds, so it's easy to time them too if you spot a laner plonking one down during your monster killing.
The role hasn't become significantly more passive than what it is right now; timely aggression still pays off. The extra gold income on the Spirit Stone items is fine - though it remains to be seen whether Spectral Wraith still only appeals to a very limited champion pool - and PBE Wriggles feels more like a snowball item. That's the impression I got with Trundle at least. Game not going too well? Better off sticking to Madred's and buying more relevant items. Pulled off a succesful gank (possibly multiple) early on, maybe even got first blood? You bet your ass I'm going to get an early Wriggles for much faster clearing (which'll also help for a quick trip into the enemy's jungle), the ability to sneak in a level 6 - 8 solo dragon while still being able to pressure the rest of the map in between my camp rotations. Oh, and I can still afford a ward or two.
Is it going to be as universal for junglers as the old Season 2 Wriggles used to be? Doubtful, but it appears quite alright as part of a dedicated strategy for a specific type of junglers. And we still haven't seen the finalized stats of its supposed late game upgrade.
Finally, I wouldn't say the gold increase is miniscule at all. Even when not performing too well in the grand scheme of it all, you still manage to get a better build (either offensively or defensively) on PBE than the items you'll end up having in your inventory after 50+ minutes on Live. What happens when I did my job right (taking down objectives included) and end up being fed? Wriggles, tier 2 boots of choice, Spirit Visage, Triforce, BoRK and both components for Randuin's in half an hour's time, while keeping up or slightly exceeding laners in both XP and gold! That's pretty fuckin' unreal if you compare to the jungle's state on Live servers. Literally the only time I saw someone get close to that in current-day Season 3 jungle was when a jungle Vi somehow accomplished a 12 - 0 - 7 score with two dragons and multiple towers in 20 minutes.
Supports are in the same spot in PBE too. Their gold / XP income got a massive spike, and matches feel more exciting / engaging for both roles because of it. It makes it hard for me to go back to Live servers, even if it means having to endure 'amateur hour blind pick' on PBE.
Also, that stylish grass swish.
Oh god. I hope Yi isn't extremely powerful now
A jungler that willingly sets himself up for 20-minute long non-existant map presence is no thing to be worried about.
Lucian's ult is the epitome of taking a conceptually decent ult and screwing up its execution for the sake of artificial variety. It's so cumbersome (flimsy-looking with his 2nd skin too) for no logical reason even if its damage potential is fine.
Should a champion revolve around or be defined by his ult? No, but you better make sure as a designer that it's a fun skill to use instead of priding yourself that you only saw a whopping two players use it correctly in two weeks' time (which Riot's Zenon did 'brag' about post-release).
Imperfected
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He was mostly exaggerating. The intended use-case scenario is pretty obvious: it's called 'The Culling' and killing a target with it allows you to use Relentless Pursuit to catch up to targets, so it's reasonable to assume that Zenon wanted players to use it to gun down low-health targets escaping from a team fight in a Vayne-style clean-up pursuit.
And that's fine, but as a designer you sometimes have to accept that players find innovative or at least more practical uses for the things you create. The potentially very low cooldown makes it a useful sieging tool, and in general most players would prefer to use their ultimate for a relatively small amount of "safe" damage in the course of a team fight than for an easier clean-up after the team fight. That's the case with most 'execution' ultimates, really: winning the fight is more important than having a super-clean mop-up in the aftermath, so players will always prefer to use them earlier than their "optimal" designed conditions.
I mean, Ace in the Hole is similar - it's really just meant to clean-up a kill on an enemy escaping a fight, and is almost always a loss of DPS if used mid-fight - but players who use it as a harassment tool aren't wrong, they've just found a use for it outside of the intended design parameters that's potentially better.
made me go sign up for the heroes of the storm beta.
Strangely, I felt the same way. Some of these modes are just plain silly.
Stone Ocean
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So I have absolutely no reason to level it first anymore and will just max W first instead?
Thanks!
Is that even real? That may be the biggest straight damage nerf I've ever seen of a live champion.
Stone Ocean
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Statikk said he wasn't too fond of Boomerang Blade being so strong early and weak late, so I guess they'll buff the ratio later or something - though it's still a 220% bonus AD ratio if you hit both swings.
PhillipCostigan
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that's gotta be each way. like, wtf.
Stone Ocean
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Yeah, it's each way.
Doesn't matter though. If Sivir is getting this can't even look at what Jinx might get. Mid lane S4 is a go.
PhillipCostigan
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ok, so realistically it's only like 30 less base damage but with less damage falloff.
That's fine.
Stone Ocean
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It's not fine lol It's more than half base damage at all ranks.
What ADC doesn't become an auto attack champion late game? Lucian? Ezreal?
Imperfected
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Ezreal and Urgot only, really. Lucian needs to weave auto-attacks to use the procs from his passive, so he never actually wants to be out of auto-attack range for very long.
PhillipCostigan
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there's something hokey there. waiting for PBE to go up.
They're not just gonna chop the damage in half, would be straight Olafing her after they changed her.
Varus, Corki. There's a few. Why does every marksman half to be auto attackers. That's so boring.
What? no. Right now it's 60/105/150/195/240 each way.
From wiki: MAXIMUM PHYSICAL DAMAGE (SINGLE TARGET): 108 / 189 / 270 / 351 / 432
New numbers are cutting the damage into a third low levels and half higher levels. It's such a huge damage nerf.
Am I missing something? Only one mode is explained.
That Sivir nerf can't be right, even with the damage reduction per enemy hit reduced. Did that ability even change at all with the rework?
garath said:
Even a Legolas build Varus is going to be heavy on auto attacks.
PhillipCostigan
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Yeah, I thought it was them changing the tooltip to showing what it does each way rather than in total.
There's no way that can be right.
I'm assuming the modes they are playing with are from the PBE leak earlier. 1v1s, all in one, etc. Frankly I think ARAM is a little silly too but I know people like it. I'll do it once in awhile when I don't have time for a real game.
PhillipCostigan
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They could be changing the AD scaling to total AD instead of bonus AD, but that's still a massive nerf.
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