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Thanks! I grabbed one Full Metal Rammus.
Imperfected
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We'd def have to start with inhouses, but I feel like there is a big skill difference between everyone.
Stone Ocean
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Darius was literally his first job at Riot, give him a break
And well, Darius is probably one of the most fun "bland" champions
League OTs have been in the same place.
Depends on the champion. It often turns out very ARAMy, with tanks/bruisers steamrolling late game, except moreso in all for one because you only need to counter one damage type usually. Just gotta survive that initial ten minutes without feeding too hard. Even if you're a melee assassin, you can generally build tanky enough to survive the opening of a teamfight with the right items and tear it up from there.
Imperfected
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Yeah, it's more just that the average demographic of GAF synchs up with DOTA2's demographic better than LoL's, not to mention that Valve is held in pretty exalted standing around here.
I'm not sure I particularly see the point of a DOTA-GAF tournament even if you could get like six or seven teams together, though. It's basically just unranked 5's with bad matchmaking?
I'm not sure I particularly see the point of a DOTA-GAF tournament even if you could get like six or seven teams together, though. It's basically just unranked 5's with bad matchmaking?
Sr Kitsune
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I remember he was very popular around the beginning of the season 3, I don't remember what happened that he isn't that popular anymore.
Very easily taken down by ranged champs. No sustain. Mediocre engage. Still love my bear tho.
Good god. I HATE playing against him. There's nothing you can do when he ganks you. Flash? Haha, nope. Still slowed. I don't even want to know what it's like if he ganks you as a mage.
Imperfected
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He was run as a jungler a lot, yeah. People responded to him in a similar way they do to Udyr jungles: mobility/zone control comps. He's pretty good if you're picking him later in the pick/ban phase and don't see anything on the enemy side that's going to give you major problems, just don't pick him early.
I've seen some people run him in top lane and do well, but he would be in particular danger of getting 2v1'd if you weren't careful.
Edit: Oh, as far as ganks go they ripped a lot of the Move Speed off Rolling Thunder if I remember right, especially early. It made his walk-up/lane ganks pretty unimpressive as a result.
I've seen some people run him in top lane and do well, but he would be in particular danger of getting 2v1'd if you weren't careful.
Edit: Oh, as far as ganks go they ripped a lot of the Move Speed off Rolling Thunder if I remember right, especially early. It made his walk-up/lane ganks pretty unimpressive as a result.
don't play sej right now.
ward? its not like you start with a free one now. his clear speed isnt that good either.
well given that his list is:
Darius, the Hand of Noxus
Thresh, the Chain Warden
Zed, the Master of Shadows (partly with Samizul),.
Zyra, Rise of the Thorns (partly with Coronach and Morello)
Yasuo: The Unforgiven
I'm not sure, I like playing thresh and zyra (as mid) but all of those are annoying to some degree
i don't agree with stonewall all the time but his article on the jungle is at least interesting. i hope there is enough discussion about how bad it is so riot at least considers changing it.
Imperfected
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Zyra was a reasonably fun mid before they decided to follow the meta and rebalance her for support play. Zed, for whatever balance issues he may have, is still a lot of fun to play and a generally very cool champion. Thresh was and remains enormously popular with support mains, and is one of the few supports who actually feels "supportive" rather than just a utility mage that got lost on their way to mid lane.
I'd say he's got a pretty good roster so far.
I'd say he's got a pretty good roster so far.
Crab Milk Mickey
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Got Riot Blitzcrank, thanks.
I think Kassadin might be a little iffy for her, but that may be my inexperience (thus far) speaking. Agreed about her performing well against the other typical assassins however, as long as you know Karma's boundaries and when said assassins have a power spike. I had some good experiences on support with her too, but I prefer maxing her shield and snare (increased duration) first if coupled with an aggressive ADC, as the potency of her Q isn't much to write home about when you're starved for gold (in Season 3 at least). Not sure about pre-season 4.
I feel her burst against squishies is pretty good, all things considering. You're right about her Empowered Q feeling a little weird though; there's some funky business going on with both versions of her Q having different hitboxes.
I think Kassadin might be a little iffy for her, but that may be my inexperience (thus far) speaking. Agreed about her performing well against the other typical assassins however, as long as you know Karma's boundaries and when said assassins have a power spike. I had some good experiences on support with her too, but I prefer maxing her shield and snare (increased duration) first if coupled with an aggressive ADC, as the potency of her Q isn't much to write home about when you're starved for gold (in Season 3 at least). Not sure about pre-season 4.
Being starved for gold simply isn't much an issue anymore since one Sightstone takes care of pretty much everything one person can do regarding wards. If you look at the last 10? pages or so you'll see a lot of us having so much gold that we aren't really sure what to do with it yet sometimes,
Not going to mention Targon's but Frostfang is pretty good on her and she fits pretty naturally into a tanky AP role. Mantra a Q to harass and then wittle down the Mantra timer while getting extra $ with Pickpocket + Frosfang is like a three for one deal, or bait them with low hp then E + mantra'd W it back while bush juking + your carry is autoattacking since they can't bushjuke themselves while linked, Both are fun and fairly effective too.
Of course part of the problem with her is that your lane buddy can be just as clueless about what Karma does as your opponents. Harassing and shielding are pretty cut and dry but the baiting thing, the root, the vision while linked and the mantra timer are all not so obvious.
Bitter tears. I wish they'd take a look at some mid buffs for her or even redo her passive. It's complete garbage.
dimb said:
I think his evaluation of the harder jungle + harder ganks being an issue is mostly correct, but Riot won't be removing trinkets. I think the better idea is to reduce monster damage back to original PBE levels (hell, maybe a touch lower) and either re-evaluate the trinkets so that red>yellow>blue>red. Being able to essentially buy a consumable which performs a similar task to the red trinket - or changing pink wards (buy the item,has a few "sweeper" charges) to accomplish something similar could also help. I still don't understand the intent of visible pink ward to be honest. I get the need to differentiate them from green wards better, but I'm not sure what Riot is hoping to accomplish.
Crab Milk Mickey
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Three changes I'd personally like to see: have the increased gold gain from Wriggles be a part of Madred's Razor already (albeit at a lower percentage), have the Wight camp mean something and add a reward mechanic to the Sweeper trinket as it's aimed for junglers. What I'd like for it to do is shave seconds off its cooldown upon use if you locate a ward (how much exactly scales on whether you find a trinket or green ward), which in turn would help alleviate the ward problem somewhat.
Oh, I should've been more clear.
My doubt doesn't lie with the higher gold income since it was already clear once the changes hit PBE that everyone'd be able to buy 6 items in a reasonable timespan, but as to whether you can get enough AP (soon-ish) to make Q-maxing poke more worthwhile (IMO) as support Karma. Only gotten around to play her top or mid ever since the new patch hit (5 - 0 thus far) so again, temporary general inexperience on my part.
Oh that makes much more sense. I have no written rule on which to cap first but it's usually shield also. It really depends on who I am facing in lane and/or my teammate though. Usually by the time I am lvl 4 I have a decent idea.
I find the thing about Q is that even if it's only lvl 1 the damage is not bad at all regarding harass, plus if you try to level it first it gets more expensive to use so you oom faster (bad) and you'll be pushing the lane too much and probably ruining some of your carry's CS with all the extra damage (also bad). Extra movement speed in the laning phase is so useful, whether you're saving your carry/yourself from an overextend or giving your ganker an extra little boost to drop in with. Plus a Mantra'd E in a bot lane scuffle is no joke.
I have not been playing karma support nearly as much as I want lately tho, there's so many different things I like to try when laning with/against enemy champions with various supports right now.
Wolf Akela
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Really loved my last ARAM game with Warwick. They only had 1 AD. I rushed Athene, Visage and Abyssal and ended up being able to tank 3 enemies. I still go OOM on prolonged fights. Dat mana cost on his Q.
The jungle isn't hard. Reducing monster damage would be a meaningless gesture, and would do nothing to improve the situation with ganking, or deal with the jungle items being AD focused and incapable of doing their job. Building items that are farm-centric in both their statistics and passive bonuses creates a situation where junglers aren't useful until the game is already decided. Junglers are even dissuaded from objectives with these items, with items ill-suited to team fights that typically arise. Because of this the role is marginalized, and its up to the laners to take control of the game.
Trinkets are an abominable tack on. A delusion Riot will be dedicated to chasing that ultimately drives players away, needlessly complicating things for experienced players while providing an immediate brick wall to new players. How do you even begin to explain something like the trinket system to a new players? This preseason is a joke, and the decent and logical changes are vastly outweighed by the negatives. It is an embarrassing practice to take a working game and throw it into shambles on the whim of simply differentiating the experience.
Wolf Akela
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It's weird that Whimsey gets blocked. Poor Valor disappears. ;'(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeG6kPPHwq8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeG6kPPHwq8
Wow, that spell is ultimate worthy. I have a feeling it'll be getting changed. Still, I'm so excited for this new guy. He looks so fun.
everything should just explode, it's almost 4 seconds of almost invulnerability for your whole team if used properly
so scary
edit: two options I'm tossing around with a friend: serious one would be the wall having a life bar and being breakable and not-so-serious one would be that all spells get blocked but not destroyed and when the wall wears off they fire and you get like 5 ults at once lol.
Imperfected
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The decision as to which AoEs it does and doesn't block feels rather arbitrary, especially when it comes to the frontal cones.
if use the wall in some jungle paths, half the enemy team (critically: the carries) won't be able to do damage for 4 seconds. and apparently it gets wider as you level it?
I wonder what happens if as ori you put your ball on malphite and he ults through a wall.
everything that's a physical object in the world and has a travel time gets blocked. so caitlyn autoattacks, q, e and ult, but not her traps.
it's not really arbitrary
? he can only jump once per 10 seconds per enemy and it's really, really low range. most ranged champions have 50 or more range on their autoattacks.
you lose one spell to it
if he wants to attack you, he has to go through it and is no longer protected
walk around it if ur squishy
walk through it if ur tanky
The dash? or the wall?
yea so either your team moves forward or your team moves backwards, depending on the choke.
if it blocked movement AND projectiles, yeah itd be op as fuck, but right now it lets you make a choice
that having said, anivia+yasuo is gonna be so gud
o and ori ball is no longer a projectile when its on some1
The dash is his e. Basically i watched this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hwcDhmTzMXI
and kinda went wtf
The wall kind of raised my eyebrows but I'm more worried about the dash right now.
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