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[Digital-Aftertaste]

They both seem to have roughly the same features however they seem to be competing on that "One other thing" avenue. The Win5 is more portable while also being more modular while the Go 2 is bigger. Wanted to know waht you guys would choose and why because I am at odds to which one to get down the line. I loved my Win 4 but felt it lacking a bit in terms of doubling it as a handheld laptop.

 

[StereoVsn]

Neither at those prices. Price vs performance is out of whack.

GPD 5 will have an awful battery life. They have an add on battery pack for that thing.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

Just get a regular laptop. The price for performance is not great. Once these things get out of the $700-800 range the value drops dramatically as you can start getting laptops with much better performance.

 

[Spukc]

Switch 2

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Also look into Asus Rog Flow Z13.

Its also portable but not a handheld.

 

[Davevil]

Switch 2

 

[Spukc]

Switch
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[KiteGr]

Switch
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[Topher]

They both seem to have roughly the same features however they seem to be competing on that "One other thing" avenue. The Win5 is more portable while also being more modular while the Go 2 is bigger. Wanted to know waht you guys would choose and why because I am at odds to which one to get down the line. I loved my Win 4 but felt it lacking a bit in terms of doubling it as a handheld laptop.

How is the Win 5 more modular?

Not taking price into consideration, I'd say the Legion Go 2 is the better option. Bigger, but as StereoVsn pointed out, the external battery of Win 5 would be an absolute deal breaker for me. The thing has no internal battery at all. So you are going to be fighting with a cord no matter what.

 

[Fafalada]

They both seem to have roughly the same features however they seem to be competing on that "One other thing" avenue.

Er - Win5 is in a completely different 'weight' class for performance - they are using an (up to) 80W chip in there, with 3x the graphics compute and 4x the memory of Legion Go.
I have no idea how they managed to get cooling assembly to be that compact(ah ok - I see they removed the battery lol) - but performance isn't even close between the two.

Wanted to know waht you guys would choose and why because I am at odds to which one to get down the line. I loved my Win 4 but felt it lacking a bit in terms of doubling it as a handheld laptop.

I mean - with 128GB of ram and that CPU/AI accelerator, this thing might as well be a portable desktop. It 'only' has USB4 ports (which limits the performance of GPU docks a bit), but then again so do most of these.

But ok - basically what you have here is the choice between one of those ultra highend Gaming Laptops vs. a regular laptop. The latter will run longer on battery, probably a lot quieter at 'full speed' and weight about 2x less - but if you want the performance headroom(Win5 is fast enough that it could emulate even Switch 2 when those become possible) and don't mind the price (I expect Win5 will be go for over 2000+ based on these specs) - I'd get the Win 5 any time.

 

[yet_another_alt]

GPD Win 5 looks so bad compared to previous iterations. External battery? No physical keyboard? No longer pocket sized? I don't know what the hell GPS was thinking. They should have made it a new product line.

 

[PSbigfan]

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Some people believe the Earth is flat, so whatever you want my man.

 

[Fafalada]

I don't know what the hell GPS was thinking.

They put a full laptop in PSP shell basically... It's impressive they can dissipate 75W in a form factor so small (maybe MS/Sony should pay attention for their handhelds) but yea, as I say above, this is basically 'gaming laptop' class of handheld hw.
But we finally have a handheld that will comfortably outperform Series S at this point though.

 

[StereoVsn]

They put a full laptop in PSP shell basically... It's impressive they can dissipate 75W in a form factor so small (maybe MS/Sony should pay attention for their handhelds) but yea, as I say above, this is basically 'gaming laptop' class of handheld hw.
But we finally have a handheld that will comfortably outperform Series S at this point though.

The use case for such a device is very small. Might as well to get an actual gaming laptop with a 5070 for that price.

 

[phant0m]

Just get a laptop

Or

PS5 + Portal

 

[Digital-Aftertaste]

GPD Win 5 looks so bad compared to previous iterations. External battery? No physical keyboard? No longer pocket sized? I don't know what the hell GPS was thinking. They should have made it a new product line.

Damn, I didn't know that. The keyboard on the Win 4 is a great feature.

 

[Minsc]

Once you hit those prices, it starts making sense to pay for Best Buy's warranty, local, same day, peace of mind. Vs some weird ship to China thing, I assume.

But I'd probably take the one with the better screen, unless you have a specific use case to not care about the display. Always go for the better display.

 

[tkscz]

GPD Win 5 looks so bad compared to previous iterations. External battery? No physical keyboard? No longer pocket sized? I don't know what the hell GPS was thinking. They should have made it a new product line.

If more handheld PC's keep using the max 385, you'll see a lot more of these external bulky batteries. That chip is powerful but it also guzzles battery life. If you lowered the TDP to 15w, you won't see much difference between the 8060s and Z2 extreme. If you want the 8060S to show what it's really worth, it needs at least 35w. That would give you less than an hour on current batteries.

 

[Fafalada]

If you want the 8060S to show what it's really worth, it needs at least 35w. That would give you less than an hour on current batteries.

It's not 'that' bad. 50Wh+ batteries are common in PC handhelds (SD Oled has one too) which will typically lead to somewhere between 60-90m of battery at 35W (depending on the rest of system components). Win5 / Legion 2 are coming in with 80Wh batteries - so you'll get into 2hr range with those.

That said - yea 8060s IIRC starts to really flex at 50W+ so that'll still go pretty quick.

 

[RydarGaf]

Just get a regular laptop. The price for performance is not great. Once these things get out of the $700-800 range the value drops dramatically as you can start getting laptops with much better performance.

It isn't about Performance. There are no laptops With SteamOS or Xbox windows mode. The reason people wanted legion Go 2 is because of the feature rich display panel is 144hz HDR OLED Display w/ VRR. It's that panel that's jacking up the cost. Its the reason none of the other companies such as Asus, Nintendo, Valve, MSI etc have put out a handheld device with a VRR enabled OLED display. Whoever makes the displays is likely the greedy culprit that's jacking up the prices. Also take notes that there not any available portable PC monitors on the markets with a VRR OLED display either.

My guess is whatever company who manufacturing these portable displays for the tech companies is demanding a high price tag for the OLED +VRR panel combo.

 

[Minsc]

If more handheld PC's keep using the max 385, you'll see a lot more of these external bulky batteries. That chip is powerful but it also guzzles battery life. If you lowered the TDP to 15w, you won't see much difference between the 8060s and Z2 extreme. If you want the 8060S to show what it's really worth, it needs at least 35w. That would give you less than an hour on current batteries.

Ally X uses an 80Wh battery in it, so you'd be getting over 2 hours at 35W, though if you want to say that's just the chipset, and the rest adds another 5-10W, then yeah, at 40W+ you'd get 2 hours or a little less on 80Wh.

But with a pocket-sized power bank, you can add another 2-4 hours on top, and get like 4-6 hours which is in the useable for a good time range.

 

[kevboard]

Xbox Ally X is the answer.
sure it's an LCD, but it's like half the price lol
and it has the AI Z2 Extreme, letting it eventually use auto sr. the modified windows also probably helps

 

[tkscz]

It's not 'that' bad. 50Wh+ batteries are common in PC handhelds (SD Oled has one too) which will typically lead to somewhere between 60-90m of battery at 35W (depending on the rest of system components). Win5 / Legion 2 are coming in with 80Wh batteries - so you'll get into 2hr range with those.

That said - yea 8060s IIRC starts to really flex at 50W+ so that'll still go pretty quick.

Ally X uses an 80Wh battery in it, so you'd be getting over 2 hours at 35W, though if you want to say that's just the chipset, and the rest adds another 5-10W, then yeah, at 40W+ you'd get 2 hours or a little less on 80Wh.

But with a pocket-sized power bank, you can add another 2-4 hours on top, and get like 4-6 hours which is in the useable for a good time range.

I Worded my post wrong. I meant the 8060S alone required at least 40w. That doesn't include the rest of the SoC. Though you are right about having a power bank to extend the power.

The 8060S can equal an RTX 4060 with enough power.

 

[Minsc]

I Worded my post wrong. I meant the 8060S alone required at least 40w. That doesn't include the rest of the SoC. Though you are right about having a power bank to extend the power.

The 8060S can equal an RTX 4060 with enough power.

Isn't it that the 8060S can equal or exceed the 4060 at a mid value of power (I have a Ryzen 395+ Ai Max), but at the high end it falls behind? I often see tests at 40-80W and I believe there it's competitive, but I believe at 120W+ it falls behind?

 

[yet_another_alt]

They put a full laptop in PSP shell basically... It's impressive they can dissipate 75W in a form factor so small (maybe MS/Sony should pay attention for their handhelds) but yea, as I say above, this is basically 'gaming laptop' class of handheld hw.
But we finally have a handheld that will comfortably outperform Series S at this point though.

It's no longer PSP or Vita sized. Granted the Win line never was but it was close enough to still be pocketable. Now it's not just huge but it also has an external battery to make it even cumbersome.

If more handheld PC's keep using the max 385, you'll see a lot more of these external bulky batteries. That chip is powerful but it also guzzles battery life. If you lowered the TDP to 15w, you won't see much difference between the 8060s and Z2 extreme. If you want the 8060S to show what it's really worth, it needs at least 35w. That would give you less than an hour on current batteries.

My problem with it (alongside the size) is the lack of an internal battery. GPD was too busy chasing power that they forgot practicality. As of right now the only one of these AI Max+ 395 devices that seem practical is the Z13.

 

[tkscz]

Isn't it that the 8060S can equal or exceed the 4060 at a mid value of power (I have a Ryzen 395+ Ai Max), but at the high end it falls behind? I often see tests at 40-80W and I believe there it's competitive, but I believe at 120W+ it falls behind?

I've honestly never seen anyone test it at 120w+ so I've never seen it fall behind, but I could see it start to get too hot at that point.

 

[Minsc]

I've honestly never seen anyone test it at 120w+ so I've never seen it fall behind, but I could see it start to get too hot at that point.

Maybe it's more that the 4060s can go beyond what you get out of the 8060S if you don't throttle the 4060, like initially the articles claiming better performance than the 4060 were *at 60W or whatever, not at the full capacity of a 4060.

Watt for watt they're better/faster... until a certain point, then they're not.

Kinda like the Steam Deck vs the Ally X, watt for watt the Deck is much better, until you get high enough that it is not anymore.