Let's talk about: Global World Currency

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Maybe a gold backed global reserve currency. Is gonna wipe out US purchasing power though.

There is physically not enough gold on Earth to back all of today's US dollars, not to mention all other currencies as well. The concept of a commodity backed currency being viable in today's economies needs to end.
 
Maybe a gold backed global reserve currency. Is gonna wipe out US purchasing power though.

Meh, USA has most of the gold in it's borders anyway so would be winners of a switch to gold in the moments after the switch. But the huge disadvantage for the US is that it can't be pulled out of the ground at the same rate as oil which is what the economy runs on now. If it could be mined more quickly it still would use energy to mine rather than provide energy so maybe a handful of people with gold would be happy before it was all spent but it would be pure misery for everyone else.
 
That would mean having multi colored bills that are extremely large with old queens on them. And by old queens i mean like Queen Elisabeth, not Andy Dick.


No, sir. No way.
 
What, because having many different governments is working out so well now, and historically?

Saying you don't want a single global government is like saying you want america to be split up into 5 countries because of the terror that having a single country that powerful could bring.
I actually wouldn't mind seeing USA split into 5 and China split into 10 countries. I assume we would see more competition and less corruption this way.
 
Think about it this way: if the USA and Canada merged, would it be a massive disaster?

Nope. The government could still easily handle that number of people because states have their own power and resources, and a free media ensures that any injustices are quickly spotted.

Now lets say this new country, 'North America', also combined with Western Europe. Again, no disaster, in the same way that having Hawaii and Alaska being 'US controlled' doesn't result in massive disaster and injustices for those countries.

A single global country may not work the way things are, but a single government leading USA, Canada, and UK would. As technology progresses it just becomes more and more of a viable option.
 
Monetary policy generally works better when there is a corresponding government to have fiscal policy tied to. As there is currently no world government, a world currency would be a bad idea.
 
Trans national currencies are generally a bad idea because monetary policy is one of the most powerful tools governments have to manage their economies. Central banks can set the interest rate for the region that uses a certain currency, which will either increase or decrease spending. Decreasing spending can have the effect of fighting inflation, while increasing it can decrease unemployment.

The problem is that economic conditions in certain places are different than they are in others. Conditions in Italy might call for stimulus while conditions in Holland call for a tamping down of spending. This is true of all currency unions, of course, but the analytic nationalism of our time makes it less problematic. Italy will be pissed if they're asked to endure mass unemployment so that the Dutch don't deal with inflation. Alabama, on the other hand, is probably not even aware that economic conditions are so much different in California that they require a different monetary policy.

This economic integration without political integration is ultimately the root of the eurozone crisis.

Lack of control over their own currency also leads to fear of default. A nation that borrows in their own currency can't really default, because they can print their own money. They can just print enough to meet their debt. This tends to produce a ton of inflation, which can be really disastrous if the debts are incredibly large (viz. Weimar Germany), but the worst case scenario tends to approach much sooner when you can't coin your own currency than when you can't. Greece, for example, if they could just print currency to solve their debt woes, would see a good deal of economic pain from the resultant inflation, but it would not be threatening the entire world economiy, as it is now, and they wouldn't see Weimar era levels of inflation.
 
Trans national currencies are generally a bad idea because monetary policy is one of the most powerful tools governments have to manage their economies. Central banks can set the interest rate for the region that uses a certain currency, which will either increase or decrease spending. Decreasing spending can have the effect of fighting inflation, while increasing it can decrease unemployment.

The problem is that economic conditions in certain places are different than they are in others. Conditions in Italy might call for stimulus while conditions in Holland call for a tamping down of spending. This is true of all currency unions, of course, but the analytic nationalism of our time makes it less problematic. Italy will be pissed if they're asked to endure mass unemployment so that the Dutch don't deal with inflation. Alabama, on the other hand, is probably not even aware that economic conditions are so much different in California that they require a different monetary policy.

This economic integration without political integration is ultimately the root of the eurozone crisis.

Lack of control over their own currency also leads to fear of default. A nation that borrows in their own currency can't really default, because they can print their own money. They can just print enough to meet their debt. This tends to produce a ton of inflation, which can be really disastrous if the debts are incredibly large (viz. Weimar Germany), but the worst case scenario tends to approach much sooner when you can't coin your own currency than when you can't. Greece, for example, if they could just print currency to solve their debt woes, would see a good deal of economic pain from the resultant inflation, but it would not be threatening the entire world economiy, as it is now, and they wouldn't see Weimar era levels of inflation.

You missed the part where the global currency is only used for settling national accounts. The result would be that persistent current account deficits and surpluses would be eliminated along with the malinvestment that comes with them. Countries would still have independent monetary policy, and in fact each country would be more independent as spillover effects from central bank operations in one currency would be isolated from other currencies.
 
The coin and currency enthusiasts of the world would hate a world currency. There's such a rich heritage behind coins and currencies of countries through their long histories. It would be a shame to ever ruin that.
 
You missed the part where the global currency is only used for settling national accounts. The result would be that persistent current account deficits and surpluses would be eliminated along with the malinvestment that comes with them. Countries would still have independent monetary policy, and in fact each country would be more independent as spillover effects from central bank operations in one currency would be isolated from other currencies.

What on earth are you talking about?

You can do the transactions in dollars or euros or space bucks or ISK or galactic credits, a deficit is still a deficit and a surplus is still a surplus. Deficits and surpluses exist because different nations have different amounts of various resources. This is not going to change any time soon.

Your hypothetical international currency where each nation maintained it's own independent currency and central bank and monetary policy for domestic purposes already happens today with smaller nations who do their international trade in a larger currency.. But it doesn't solve anything, as the national currencies still float against the dollar or the euro or gold or whatever you use as the international standard. It's just an extra step to go through because it makes it easier to find trading partners.
 
The coin and currency enthusiasts of the world would hate a world currency. There's such a rich heritage behind coins and currencies of countries through their long histories. It would be a shame to ever ruin that.

The one thing that a collector loves over anything else is scarcity. Sure, it'd mark the end of the line for what they can collect, but their existing collection would become a lot more unique. And as a collector, that's all that matters.
 
We gotta look really cool when the aliens come to visit. Imagine if they see us fighting? We're never gonna get space travel knowledge from them.
 
Such an in-balance of worth and wealth around the globe that this would never, ever, ever, ever work unless in the far flung future where everyone is equal.
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aeFVNYQpByU4

http://www.futureworldcurrency.com/

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I remember a GAF thread about it awhile back.
 
What on earth are you talking about?

You can do the transactions in dollars or euros or space bucks or ISK or galactic credits, a deficit is still a deficit and a surplus is still a surplus. Deficits and surpluses exist because different nations have different amounts of various resources. This is not going to change any time soon.

Your hypothetical international currency where each nation maintained it's own independent currency and central bank and monetary policy for domestic purposes already happens today with smaller nations who do their international trade in a larger currency.. But it doesn't solve anything, as the national currencies still float against the dollar or the euro or gold or whatever you use as the international standard. It's just an extra step to go through because it makes it easier to find trading partners.

Sorry, I skipped a step of the explanation. If there is a global settlement currency, presumably they won't just allow members to run up infinite overdrafts. That's an automatic stabilizer on current account deficits, which also means an indirect stabilizer on surpluses. However most proposals also penalize countries that run large positive balances (owing to Keynes' original proposal I linked above), since they are obviously exactly as destabilizing as deficits.

I'm really not sure where you got the idea that current account deficits arise from the resources each country possesses. That's not correct in any way.
 
- this would mess trade up
- countries can bring other countries down
- slows individual development
- bailouts/saving other governments will be a lot more complicated or even impossible

etc. etc.

in an ideal world this would be real though and there'd only be one government. And they would be nice and imagine all the people living together as one hoohooohhoooooo

this is a very uninformed opinion though lol.
 
I dunno. Like I said, I'm pretty uninformed... so exactly what are the pros and cons of the Euro currency itself? Is it something that could survive without the EU? Would it be the same thing as having a world currency?

Is this suggestion as specious as suggesting that standalone currencies won't work - just look at the Mark and the Zimbawean dollar?

the euro was strong, with countries like germany france and the netherlands all doing gangbusters.

Then greece says 'fuckin euros?! LETS BUY SHIT' for years as soon as they get it, evade the shit out of all their taxes then basically go completely bankrupt while using the common currency that seemed like a totally awesome idea at the time when times were good.

Now the Euro is less strong because the economically stronger countries find it harder to swim with a concrete slipper on each foot.

EDIT: united currencies are a horrible idea because they use the 'we can all be winners!' idea. Which uh... that's not really how winning works. Winning also requires a loser.
 
A world currency only makes sense if labour can freely move worldwide and there is one government. The US dollar works both because some states receive funds from more successful ones during the cycle through the federal governent as well labour moves across states easily. Thus economic shocks for US states effect them all. Labour doesn't move in the EU, you can but Greeks aren't going to move to France or Germany easily and you can't coordinate transfer payments. Ergo they suffer from different shocks and need a different currency.
 
Yep, the USD works just fine and it's accepted literally everywhere.

Funny thing, my parents worked in Mozambique for a couple of years and most of the employees were paid in dollars anyway.
 
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