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[Eddie-Griffin]

https://www.lgnewsroom.com/2022/09/...ng-experience-with-new-cloud-gaming-services/

LG Electronics (LG) is expanding the gaming experience on its latest TVs, adding new cloud-gaming services to give users more choice, and a UI update that makes it easier to get in the game. These latest upgrades are representative of LG’s continuing commitment to bringing gamer-centric content and capabilities to its industry-leading TVs.

Requiring no PC, console or game installations, cloud-gaming platforms make gaming more accessible than ever. Blacknut and Utomik Cloud, arriving on LG TVs in September and November, respectively,1 deliver a wealth of titles spanning classic AAA games, indie favorites, story-driven adventures, sports, strategy and more. Via monthly subscriptions, the two apps offer users the ability to select and instantly play any game from their extensive catalogs – both of which welcome new titles monthly.

Blacknut presents subscribers with over 500 PC and console games, with the greatest variety of premium content for all members of the family and with up to five players’ profiles. The Blacknut catalog offers the largest collection of racing and sports games in the cloud gaming space, but also critically acclaimed hits, such as Metro Exodus, Overcooked and a vast collection of Disney games. Utomik Cloud boasts a curated and growing selection of 100+ games from its 1,300+ PC games library covering diverse genres with indie favorites like Coffee Talk, My Time at Portia and Turnip Boy Commits Tax Evasion among the platform’s many highlights.

The new cloud gaming apps will be arriving starting this month on the LG Apps Store on LG TVs running webOS 6.0 and webOS 2022. And thanks to LG’s newly updated gaming UI, users will soon be able to find a range of popular cloud gaming services on the convenient Gaming Shelf,2 which can be easily found on the new Home Screen. Select NVIDIA GeForce NOW titles are already accessible from the Gaming Shelf. The ability to access games from Google Stadia and other gaming services via the Gaming Shelf will be added to LG TV in future updates.

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1 Blacknut will be available on applicable LG Smart TV models in the UK, France, Germany, Austria and Switzerland from September, in North America later this year, and in more regions worldwide by the first quarter of 2023. Utomik Cloud will launch starting in November in the US, the UK, Ireland, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg.
2 Gaming Shelf is available globally for LG Smart TV models running webOS 6.0 and webOS 2022.

They seem to be pushing gaming hard for LG TV owners, by including Utomik and Blacknuts streaming cloud services on your gaming shelf 2 app, which also includes some GeForce NOW software, and Stadia by Google.

With Samsung, Sony, Vizio, and others at the top of their game I haven't really paid much attention to LG's TV endeavors, but they have been imprivng their hardware and software alot the last few years and soon may be worth a second look. If they can put out a powerful TV without compromise for an affordable price, it may be something to look into for gaming purposes.

The new gaming update Is for WebOS 6 and 2022 TV's only judging from the article. I forgot LG still uses WebOS, that's what those Palm Phones used to use back when there was competition in the mobile space. I wouldn't be surprised if LG tries to get PSNOW and Xcloud on their TV's in the future too, Xbox already announced an upcoming streaming stick, and being able to play games without purchasing a console could be very lucrative for the casual audience, but you're going to have lag and bitrate issues for quicker games, I couldn't imagine using these LG TV's for fighting games for example. But the average non-gamer who plays Fortnite or madden may feel right at home with a hardware-free gaming TV.

Looking up prices, Blacknuts service is $15.99/month which is $195 a year for 500 games, that's a steep price.

While Utomiks service is $67.19 a year for personal, and $95.99 a year for a 5 person family plan accessing over 1380 PC games, that's a lot of games! Utomik may be the closest to a Game Pass Ultimate (with Xcloud) competitor out there.

Gaming UI screenshots

Not a fan of the UI design, but it does appear to be streamlined at the very least.

 

[lovetalkgames]

Blacknuts is a wild company name.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Blacknuts is a wild company name.

Thats when you know they are serious.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Yes, baby. Chaos is coming. And coming hard.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Google itself couldn't make this work but now we will try the service from some random company with what looks like a fake name, whose app will run on electronics that make potatoes look blazing fast.

 

[Outlier]

Yes, baby. Chaos is coming. And coming hard.

I'm stating to think that we might not get tradition console systems in the future, anymore.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I'm stating to think that we might not get tradition console systems in the future, anymore.

I think we will; consoles gonna become even more niche and pricey. But with better specs and technology for enthusiast. The mainstream gonna play in their smartphones and TVs.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Google itself couldn't make this work but now we will try the service from some random company with what looks like a fake name, whose app will run on electronics that make potatoes look blazing fast.

I don't recall Google going to TV manufactures to add their cloud gaming service, I recall them making you buy hardware (Chromecast?) and a controller.

I think LG partnering with these two companies along with Nvidia GeForce to spread cloud gaming on TV's as standard is a different strategy than cloud companies have done before. Even Microsoft was thinking of a streaming stick instead of just having the app on the TV.

I don't think it will work for fast games, or for videophiles, and of course real gamers on Neogaf won't use it, but for people who play Fifa or GTA this is more than enough. All they would have to buy is a controller that can be used with the TV at Walmart.

I'm stating to think that we might not get tradition console systems in the future, anymore.

Cloud gaming is 20 years away from being as good as hardware is NOW, there's always going to be a market for hardware. But the people who play mobile or play Madden will be drawn to this idea for sure since they don't have to pay for anything. They can watch the game and play the game with buddies on Sunday with artifacting, dynamic res, and they won't know the difference.

 

[lachesis]

This got to be the this year's ugliest controller design by Matel or something.... urgh.

I like LG TVs and their fast & responsive WebOS Smart TV layout and all... but not sure about cloud gaming or whatnot.

 

[TrebleShot]

I don't recall Google going to TV manufactures to add their cloud gaming service, I recall them making you buy hardware (Chromecast?) and a controller.

I think LG partnering with these two companies along with Nvidia GeForce to spread cloud gaming on TV's as standard is a different strategy than cloud companies have done before. Even Microsoft was thinking of a streaming stick instead of just having the app on the TV.

I don't think it will work for fast games, or for videophiles, and of course real gamers on Neogaf won't use it, but for people who play Fifa or GTA this is more than enough. All they would have to buy is a controller that can be used with the TV at Walmart.



Cloud gaming is 20 years away from being as good as hardware is NOW, there's always going to be a market for hardware. But the people who play mobile or play Madden will be drawn to this idea for sure since they don't have to pay for anything. They can watch the game and play the game with buddies on Sunday with artifacting, dynamic res, and they won't know the difference.

Absolutely not, Cloud gaming is valid right now and only improving. No one will be paying 3/4k for a high end gaming PC in the current economic climate. This is a quick hassle free entry point to high end gaming.

 

[GymWolf]

Wait so no ui update for c1?

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Once the majority of the world has consistent access to high-speed internet and streaming latency for gaming becomes nearly imperceptible to local gaming, the time of consoles will be over. I'd wager within the next 10 to 15 years.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Once the majority of the world has consistent access to high-speed internet and streaming latency for gaming becomes nearly imperceptible to local gaming, the time of consoles will be over. I'd wager within the next 10 to 15 years.

No

 

[Salty Popsicle]

No

 

[a multicultural team of v]

Once the majority of the world has consistent access to high-speed internet and streaming latency for gaming becomes nearly imperceptible to local gaming, the time of consoles will be over. I'd wager within the next 10 to 15 years.

dont start furiously masturbating at the thought of a consoleless future quite yet, pc games are fucked in that situation too. by then pcs will be thin clients using a version of windows on the cloud

 

[baphomet]

Once the majority of the world has consistent access to high-speed internet and streaming latency for gaming becomes nearly imperceptible to local gaming, the time of consoles will be over. I'd wager within the next 10 to 15 years.

Exactly what people were saying 10-15 years ago.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

Exactly what people were saying 10-15 years ago.

There were game streaming services in the early 2000s?

 

[baphomet]

There were game streaming services in the early 2000s?

Of course there were

10-15 years ago is also not the early 2000s

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Absolutely not, Cloud gaming is valid right now and only improving. No one will be paying 3/4k for a high end gaming PC in the current economic climate. This is a quick hassle free entry point to high end gaming.

It's not an access point to high-end gaming, hardware is always going to be ahead of cloud unless within the next 50 years the technology is revamped and completely different in how games are "streamed" remotely. Right now cloud is in the same place as Bluetooh vs. Headphone jack, where Bluetooth can't come close to the top of a HJ unless new technology comes along for wireless audio that's better than Bluetooth.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

There were game streaming services in the early 2000s?

10-15 years ago covers Gaikai and Onlive among several others, the former being brought by Sony and the tech is running Playstation Now.

Wait so no ui update for c1?

Doesn't the C1 have WebOS6? So yes.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

So nothing for my CX?

F**king LG..

 

[Fat Frog]

Another thread about cloud ?
Pretty sure, the OP is another bot from @voost_kain

 

[Rossco EZ]

So nothing for my CX?

F**king LG..

i’m on C9 maybe we should upgrade next year

 

[Dr.Morris79]

This got to be the this year's ugliest controller design by Matel or something.... urgh.

I like LG TVs and their fast & responsive WebOS Smart TV layout and all... but not sure about cloud gaming or whatnot.

It truly violated my inner core looking at that abomination. Someone stick it down a manhole and we'll pretend it never happend.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

It's not an access point to high-end gaming, hardware is always going to be ahead of cloud unless within the next 50 years the technology is revamped and completely different in how games are "streamed" remotely. Right now cloud is in the same place as Bluetooh vs. Headphone jack, where Bluetooth can't come close to the top of a HJ unless new technology comes along for wireless audio that's better than Bluetooth.

When Cyberpunk 2077 came out, the Stadia version of the game was among the best that was available. Performed and looked better than most of the consoles versions as well.

 

[Black_Stride]

Utomik and Blacknut is a porno movie for the 80s spoofing science fiction epics of that era.

And no one can tell me otherwise.

 

[Fat Frog]

When Cyberpunk 2077 came out, the Stadia version of the game was among the best that was available. Performed and looked better than most of the consoles versions as well.

Lately, GFN 3080 tier leapfrogged PS5 and Series X as well.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

When Cyberpunk 2077 came out, the Stadia version of the game was among the best that was available. Performed and looked better than most of the consoles versions as well.

That was debunked, and the there weren't next gen console optimized versions of the game yet, so the XBOX/PS4 were the base, the PC builds ran over Stadia.

This got to be the this year's ugliest controller design by Matel or something.... urgh.

I like LG TVs and their fast & responsive WebOS Smart TV layout and all... but not sure about cloud gaming or whatnot.

I just realized the Android navigation keys are at the bottom of the controller, this must be a mobile controller that's compatible with TV's. Not sure why LG would have this front and center when they could have just put an Xbox or PS controller there.

 

[TheGecko]

So nothing for my CX?

F**king LG..

You can't go for the cheap option then moan when you don't get top line features.

 

[Calverz]

I haven't really paid much attention to LG's TV endeavors, but they have been imprivng their hardware and software alot the last few years and soon may be worth a second look.

What? LG OLED TV’s have been the front runner of gaming TV’s for years lol

 

[Sleepwalker]

You can't go for the cheap option then moan when you don't get top line features.

The CX is/was top of the line, its just 1 year older and presumably was the top when the dude bought it.

 

[Kuranghi]

Never even heard of those services, are they relatively new?

With Samsung, Sony, Vizio, and others at the top of their game I haven't really paid much attention to LG's TV endeavors, but they have been imprivng their hardware and software alot the last few years and soon may be worth a second look. If they can put out a powerful TV without compromise for an affordable price, it may be something to look into for gaming purposes.

Vizio TVs, like Hisense, are good in isolation but when compared to LG (and Sony, Panasonic and Philips) they aren't very good unless you get them way cheaper.

I'm talking as an overall TV, considering watching TV and movies first and gaming second, if you just talk about gaming then LG are a good amount ahead of Sony (and Panasonic and Philips). Samsung always boasted about being amazing for gaming but they fuck around with the image too much in a way you can't fully correct, they have annoying caveats for certain things, the software support is horrendous and, most importantly, since Neo QLED came out they're game picture modes have really gone downhill, in a massive way, many respected TV reviewers/enthusiasts have rated the game mode on the Neo QLEDs as "the worst in any TV ever". I presume they use such over the top language because the HW in them should give an amazing gaming experience and outside game mode the picture quality is very very good, even given the caveats and fuckery.

Vizio hasn't been mentioned in any "best for..." TV lists I've seen since the 2019 P Series Quantum X came out, and that was just a poor man's version of the Samsung Q90R. So definitely look at LG next time you buy a TV, especially if its mostly for gaming. Right now, its LG and then Sony for pure gaming TVs imo, because even though I believe Sony beats LG in many areas as a general TV, they don't support Freesync Premium (because the PS5 doesn't) and their downgraded SoC (from previous years) has annoying caveats, which makes it significantly less attractive for gaming.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

i’m on C9 maybe we should upgrade next year

I plan to just get a Blacknuts dongle for mine.

 

[Skifi28]

That controller looks like something that comes inside a happy meal.

 

[Kuranghi]

I plan to just get a Blacknuts Dongle for mine.

Sounds like the name of a character in a Blaxploitation movie.

 

[Skifi28]

Blacknuts dongle

 

[Fat Frog]

That was debunked, and the there weren't next gen console optimized versions of the game yet, so the XBOX/PS4 were the base, the PC builds ran over Stadia.

Who cares ?
GFN RTX 3080 tier is already beating PS5 and Series with ultra settings, 60/120FPS and no latencies issues. (depending of the games it beats Series X or is very near)

It proves that powerful and efficient cloud services are not far away from us.
It's already here

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

Never even heard of those services, are they relatively new?

Black Nut and Utomik seem to have been around since 2017 and 2018 respectively.

Who cares ?

The person wo brought it up.

Who cares ?
GFN RTX 3080 tier is already beating PS5 and Series with ultra settings, 60/120FPS and no latencies issues. (depending of the games it beats Series X or is very near)

Many flaws in your post, but comparing consoles settings that are two years old and didn't launch at power anywhere near a top rig instead of lower powered PC's is misleading, majority of streaming services are worse than the consoles that people actually use.

Not to mention GeForce 3080 tier has more issues than you're letting on and is $200 a year with low mindshare and limited library. It's one of the more expensive cloud solutions out there which isn't worth it to jim who plays Fifa.

I plan to just get a Blacknuts dongle for mine.

You better do the Dongle before you dopple your Fingal at the memory bank.

 

[Fat Frog]

Many flaws in your post, but comparing consoles settings that are(1) two years old (...)(2)majority of streaming services are worse than the consoles that people actually use.

(1) I was just responding to this:
"Cloud gaming is 20 years away from being as good as hardware is NOW, there's always going to be a market for hardware"

I just proved it was wrong. Don't care if PS5 is 2 years old. Cloud tech is good, it's here, it's the present...

(2) Really ? Most consoles that "people actually use (that's your words...) are Switch, PS4, Xbox One. Stadia and GFN free tier are beating them and GFN 3080 tier is beatin PS5.

So... it's hard to follow you. 0,10% of gamers has a better hardware than GFN3080 but that's it.

For the rest, Stadia and GFN have proven they had good graphics, performances, latency and IQ is ok since millions of gamers play on Switch (very blurry Doom) and stadia/GFN have access to better resolutions.

Maybe i could agree with Xcloud: Performances are better than Xbox One or PS4 but IQ is mediocre.

Maybe we could organize a fight, Doom Switch VS Doom Xcloud, which one is worse ?(they are the two worse systems/services) Anyone ?

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

I just proved it was wrong.

No? Cloud gaming is not as good as hardware now, you are ignoring the issues with that streaming service you referenced. Then add the price on top of those issues and the fact people aren't running out to get the product because of those issues.

(2) Really ? Most consoles that "people actually use (that's your words...) are Switch, PS4, Xbox One. Stadia and GFN free tier are beating them and GFN 3080 tier is beatin PS5.

No one is using Stadia and GFN. Xbox One and PS4 have been replaced and are being replaced rapidly. Also who are they beating? The PS4 is beating the PS5? Huh?

For the rest, Stadia and GFN have proven they had good graphics, performances, latency and IQ is ok since millions of gamers play on Switch (very blurry Doom) and stadia/GFN have access to better resolutions.

Most people playing Doom are playing on home consoles, not the Switch.

 

[Fat Frog]

Ok, i'll respond tomorrow but you're dodging the main subject, your initial post:
"Cloud gaming is 20 years away from being as good as hardware is NOW, there's always going to be a market for hardware"(reminder)

You're wrong and you know it.

PS: Nobody is using GFN ? There are 20 million users

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I came for the rampant racism and talk of this on the C1

 

[TLZ]

Shoulda called it Deez Nuutz.

 

[TheGecko]

The CX is/was top of the line, its just 1 year older and presumably was the top when the dude bought it.

CX was never a top end model it was with the B class tier TV'S.

Anyway, there has to be a line where its not feasible to support older hardware.

I still have a C7 but looking to upgrade to the 65 G2

 

[Rossco EZ]

CX was never a top end model it was with the B class tier TV'S.

Anyway, there has to be a line where its not feasible to support older hardware.

I still have a C7 but looking to upgrade to the 65 G2

what was the top model then? because i thought the B class tiers would of been the BX or whatever they called it at the time, had a slightly worse chip inside.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

The CX was pretty top end other than some bezel or thing that didn't make it markedly inferior to the G model.

I have a 65"CX and 83"C1. Both are pretty outstanding to this day.

 

[Rossco EZ]

The CX was pretty top end other than some bezel or thing that didn't make it markedly inferior to the G model.

I have a 65"CX and 83"C1. Both are pretty outstanding to this day.

exactly, pretty sure the C line was their top end at the time. the G models are probably the top now as they have brighter panels etc from what i read when they were first announced.

 

[Interfectum]

I would love stats on who actually spends money on and uses these shitty built in smart TV apps.

 

[Fat Frog]

Cloud gaming is 20 years away from being as good as hardware is NOW, there's always going to be a market for hardware

I only agree for the hardware market, there will be a place for. But 20 years away for cloud ? It's utterly wrong and i'll give you numbers.

Most people playing Doom are playing on home consoles, not the Switch.

Switch, Xbone, PS4 whatever... Old consoles are the majority. Even if base Stadia or GFN are behind PS5 technically, they would a nice upgrade for most people:

I didn't search for a concrete example for long. This is a regular gamer (who even played on One X) and as you can see, even the free Stadia is for him an improvement: Better framerate, faster loadings (SSD), only the IQ should be inferior but it doesn't bothered him because many gamers prefere Framerate over resolution.

(The most liked comment is about this framerate preference, because it plays better)

On the same twitter feeds, the DF data also appear, high framerate allowed better latency on Stadia vs Xbox One X.

So, the hierarchy is:


High end PC (0,1% of population)
GFN 3080
PS5/Series X
Free Stadia and GFN
Previous gen

20 years far from current hardware ? Obviously not.

 

[Eddie-Griffin]

We are 2 years into a new gen, and this guy's argument for cloud is stadia vs. a 2013 Xbox One and a 2017 Xbox One X that is still based on the 2013 Xbox One.

"Cloud gaming is 20 years away from being as good as hardware is NOW, there's always going to be a market for hardware"(reminder)

You're wrong and you know it.

Nope, I'm right, the fact you had to go away from "NOW" and go back to 2013 proves it. While also never listing a single issues with cloud and pretending there aren't any problems with it for several game features and genres.

Also "current hardware" funny how you make that argument, which isn't what I made, and still go back to 2013. I said that it will take 20 years before Cloud gaming could replace the console, not that it would take 20 years for the cloud to replace 2013 consoles like the Xbox One.