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On an empty stomach.

What's the final verdict on this? Is it okay or does your body break down muscle tissue to use for energy to lift the weights, thus negating any results?
 
Do what I do - bracket your morning workout.

One protein shake - scoop of protein and some creatine. After about 15 minutes or so, hit the gym and do your thing. Immediately afterwards, have the same shake again, with some glutamine added to it. You'll be hawt n sexy in no time.

Working out on an empty tum-tum is not recommended.


P.S. I am hawt n sexy thanks to this winning formula
 
I lift on an empty stomach in the morning and haven't had any problems so far. I just don't feel like forcefeeding myself when I'm not hungry. I sure am hungry afterwards though and I take care of that after I shower.
 
bishoptl said:
Do what I do - bracket your morning workout.

One protein shake - scoop of protein and some creatine. After about 15 minutes or so, hit the gym and do your thing. Immediately afterwards, have the same shake again, with some glutamine added to it. You'll be hawt n sexy in no time.

Working out on an empty tum-tum is not recommended.


P.S. I am hawt n sexy thanks to this winning formula

I thought I read somewhere that creatine is not so good for you. I may be mistaken so correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was proven to be a "bad thing".
 
creatine will do wonders for you if you take it right. you will gain weight when you start taking it though because your muscles will retain water. there hasnt been any proof that creatine will harm you or has negative side effects
 
Does it matter what you eat before you work out in the morning, as long as it's anything in your stomach? Like, say, a smoothie or something?
 
your best bet if lifting in the morning is a smoothie with some sort of dairy (milk, yogurt) and as suggested protein. creatine is optional depending on what results your looking for. this will give you food for your muscles to burn and your body wont eat any of your muscle
 
truffleshuffle83 said:
your best bet if lifting in the morning is a smoothie with some sort of dairy (milk, yogurt) and as suggested protein. creatine is optional depending on what results your looking for. this will give you food for your muscles to burn and your body wont eat any of your muscle
But what if you eat a protein-hardy meal right after you lift?
 
i wouldnt recommend loading up on protein after weightlifting. i tend to lift in the evenings though. ive been doing cardio before work and then cardio again after work followed by lifting. on an empty stomach working out and especially lifting tends to be very bad for your muscles.
 
well ideally youd want to get the majority of your protein before you lift because its essentially food for your muscles, but protein in general has other health benefits besides weight lifting. so i guess you could, butfrom my experiences ive gained the most from protein before my workout. but like with any workout regiment you need to tailor it to yourself.
 
TheOMan said:
I thought I read somewhere that creatine is not so good for you. I may be mistaken so correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was proven to be a "bad thing".

Creatine is good for retaining water weight. If that's what you want its fine. You look bigger. Problem is you have to cycle off every month or so and you will shrink until you cycle on again. Personally its not worth the price to have extra pounds of water weight, but it definitely has a huge placebo effect. You will try to lift more/longer.

Working out in the morning is not recommended but if you do its important to get some quick carbs so you have sugar to burn.

Protein before or after

Your body has a period of repair 1-2 hours after exercise. You need to have protein in your system during this repair period. So it doesn't really matter. But you also need to get simple sugars to keep going during your workout, especially if you go longer than 20 minutes.
 
What is the benefit of water in your muscles? I heard creatine helps to flush out lactic acid...any other benefits?
 
miyuru said:
What is the benefit of water in your muscles? I heard creatine helps to flush out lactic acid...any other benefits?

Um.. Hydration. Pretty important. Creatine pulls water out of your blood stream and deposits it into your muscles (into cytoplasm exactly) to create a fuller muscle belly. Hydration is one of the most important factors when it comes to muscle endurance.

Cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach is the BEST way to get your metabolism and is a great idea is you are looking to lose fat/weight. Note though that it will cause some increased muscle breakdown and you might lose some muscle mass as well. Usually not a big deal though. As long as you are eating enough protein throughout the day and still weight training you shouldn't lose much or any at all.
 
I wouldn't say lifting in the morning = little to no energy. I lift in the morning, but I'm sure to eat breakfast beforehand, and then I have an hour commute. I'm up at 5am, leaving by 6am, do my hour commute so that I'm at the gym by 7am, and then I go in to work immediately afterwards. I feel fine.

I just like getting my major sweating done early in the day so I only have one heavy-duty shower to take, rather than two or three. :D
 
Truelize said:
Cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach is the BEST way to get your metabolism and is a great idea is you are looking to lose fat/weight. Note though that it will cause some increased muscle breakdown and you might lose some muscle mass as well. Usually not a big deal though. As long as you are eating enough protein throughout the day and still weight training you shouldn't lose much or any at all.

No, I think if you are doing running or something that really gets your heart rate up you will just crash with no sugar.
 
I've been getting up at 6:00, having a banana and a glass of milk, and then riding my bike for about 30 minutes. Anything I should change? Just trying to get the cardio in right now, weight training to come after I'm in a bit better physical condition.

I miss my six-pack. :(
 
zesty said:
I've been getting up at 6:00, having a banana and a glass of milk, and then riding my bike for about 30 minutes. Anything I should change? Just trying to get the cardio in right now, weight training to come after I'm in a bit better physical condition.

I miss my six-pack. :(

I've been doing similar. Only I've been eating a light breakfast (eg: yogourt cup, glass of milk, handfull of peanuts (unsalted)), then going to the gym. I alternate between cardio + weights and cardio only. I to weights every 2nd day with the cardio, but cardio everyday. I always do it in the morning, as I like the fact the gym isn't packed with people and I can do my routine. On my cardio days I'm there for a 33 minute bike ride, and on my cardio + weights I'm there for an hour 15 to an hour and a half.

I don't like the idea of cramming a bunch of powders and shit into my system, trying to get my results naturally without complex math, expensive supplements and other crap that I simply can't afford or don't want to put in. Especially with all the varying information on the supplements. I do however keep hydrated throughout the day. I drink around 8 - 10 250ML glasses of water per day.
 
ManDudeChild said:
I don't like the idea of cramming a bunch of powders and shit into my system, trying to get my results naturally without complex math, expensive supplements and other crap that I simply can't afford or don't want to put in. Especially with all the varying information on the supplements. I do however keep hydrated throughout the day. I drink around 8 - 10 250ML glasses of water per day.

I don't take creative, glutamine, or any of those types of supplements. However, you should try some meal replacement protein powders. They're cheap, convenient, low in fat and sugar, and contain a lot of the vitamins you need. There's nothing unnatural about them.
 
But what if you eat a protein-hardy meal right after you lift?

Here is what you do post workout, this is the OPTIMAL nutrition immediately post workout to fuel recovery and supress cortisol the quickest and most efficiently.

Ingredients. This is assuming you are on a clean bulk

Whey Protein - 1/4 gram per lb bodyweight
Dextrose(glucose) - 1/4 gram per lb body weight
Maltodextrin - 1/4 gram per lb body weight
small amount of sodium/salt
Creatine - 5g
L-Glutamine - 5g

Mix all this in a ~90% water mixture (i use a liter of water).

spoon 5 grams of creatine into your mouth (do NOT mix it into the shake) and use the shake to swallow it down. Creatine is best when NOT mixed into a drink as doing so will cause it to break down into creatinine, which is useless. Creatine is absorbed quickly (within a couple minutes) and once it is absorbed, the insulin in your system (which should be spiked by the dextrose, maltodextrin, and sodium) will protect it from further degradation.

Wait about 15 minutes and let that settle on your stomach.

Now spoon 5 grams of L-Glutamine into your mouth. Swallow in the same fashion. Continue sipping at the remainder of your drink for the next 20-30 minutes.

Allow it to settle for 10-15 minutes before eating anything else.

The reasoning for the high levels of dextrose and maltodextrin(which are essentially just sugars), is to cause insulin levels to rise quickly. This is the ONLY time of the day you want hi glycemic carbs, but they are important post workout. After your workout, your blood sugar and insulin levels will both drop, and your body will release cortisol into your system to start taking proteins from your muscles and sending them to your liver to be converted into fuel for your body. This is obviously NOT good. Insulin is the most powerful suppresent of cortisol you have at your disposal post workout, so you need to get it released as fast as you can. Dextrose and Maltodextrin are very rapidly absorbed when diluted in a water heavy solution, so they are a great way to get insulin levels back up and stop the horrible catabolic process going on. This insulin will also serve another purpose by more rapidly rushing nutrients to your muscles, which are very hungry for them at this time.

It is far better to consume your post workout meal in liquid form than solid as it is digested and absorbed much much faster. Avoid fruit and fructose, as these wont serve to raise blood insulin levels, they will only raise liver insulin levels.

I don't like the idea of cramming a bunch of powders and shit into my system, trying to get my results naturally without complex math, expensive supplements and other crap that I simply can't afford or don't want to put in. Especially with all the varying information on the supplements. I do however keep hydrated throughout the day. I drink around 8 - 10 250ML glasses of water per day.

There is nothing unnatural about whey protein, creatine, glutamine, etc. These are all things that you get from food, just in isolated form. It's not different than taking a vitiman c pill in terms of 'naturalness'.


And somebody mentioned they had heard creatine is not good for you. As others have mentioned, creatine sucks water into your muscles. Any side effects are going to come from the user not drinking enough water to compensate, not from the creatine itself.


Hopefully this has helped some people.
 
teiresias said:
I just like getting my major sweating done early in the day so I only have one heavy-duty shower to take, rather than two or three. :D

That's my strategy too. Also in the morning even though I'm only half awake and out of it a little, I've still got more energy than some days when I get home from work.
 
So cardio in the morning on an empty stomach will reduce some of my muscle mass? That sucks. I simply wanna burn some excess fat right now without killing my muslces. Will eating lots of protein during the day help keep my muscles size?
 
Ristamar said:
I don't take creative, glutamine, or any of those types of supplements. However, you should try some meal replacement protein powders. They're cheap, convenient, low in fat and sugar, and contain a lot of the vitamins you need. There's nothing unnatural about them.

I can understand that, HOWEVER, I don't want to get into this type of bullshit.

morbidaza said:
Here is what you do post workout, this is the OPTIMAL nutrition immediately post workout to fuel recovery and supress cortisol the quickest and most efficiently.

Ingredients. This is assuming you are on a clean bulk

Whey Protein - 1/4 gram per lb bodyweight
Dextrose(glucose) - 1/4 gram per lb body weight
Maltodextrin - 1/4 gram per lb body weight
small amount of sodium/salt
Creatine - 5g
L-Glutamine - 5g

Mix all this in a ~90% water mixture (i use a liter of water).

spoon 5 grams of creatine into your mouth (do NOT mix it into the shake) and use the shake to swallow it down. Creatine is best when NOT mixed into a drink as doing so will cause it to break down into creatinine, which is useless. Creatine is absorbed quickly (within a couple minutes) and once it is absorbed, the insulin in your system (which should be spiked by the dextrose, maltodextrin, and sodium) will protect it from further degradation.

Wait about 15 minutes and let that settle on your stomach.

Now spoon 5 grams of L-Glutamine into your mouth. Swallow in the same fashion. Continue sipping at the remainder of your drink for the next 20-30 minutes.

Allow it to settle for 10-15 minutes before eating anything else.

I'm trying to keep it simple so I don't get frusterated. Trying to figure out THAT crap above would just piss me the hell off and make me stop. Now if there's a single powder or two that can be used and do "all that" then alright, cool. But I'm going with the K.I.S.S. strategy ... though I am looking to make everything more efficient on the weight loss front so I can move into the muscle building sooner.
 
ghostface said:
So cardio in the morning on an empty stomach will reduce some of my muscle mass? That sucks. I simply wanna burn some excess fat right now without killing my muslces. Will eating lots of protein during the day help keep my muscles size?
I've heard HIIT cardio is less likely to burn muscle mass than regular cardio.
 
i used to do weights on an empty stomach first thing in the morning when i first started working out, and i didn't notice it doing anything bad. WOuld usually have some kind of fruit shake and/or an egg right afterwards though. Now i workout almost exclusively at night though, right before i go to bed. Nothing wrong with that, is there?
 
ManDudeChild said:
I can understand that, HOWEVER, I don't want to get into this type of bullshit.

Yeah, I'm not that hardcore, nor am I looking to bulk up like crazy. I'm content being a svelte 6'2", 180 lbs. I probably wouldn't ever want to ever weigh much more than 190.
 
demon said:
I've heard HIIT cardio is less likely to burn muscle mass than regular cardio.

The jury still isn't out on HIIT. Some swear by it and others thought it did more bad than good. I'm split down the middle but for cardio, I do it medium-low intensity. The way my heart beats after a successful HIIT session sucks; it feels like its ready to jump out of my chest.

Anyway, lifting in the morning is bad unless you eat a meal of low GI carbohydrates, some Omega 3, 6, 9's, and some protein an hour beforehand. Otherwise, you are doing more harm than good.

Cardio on an empty stomach sucks. Why? In the morning, cortisol levels are high. Cortisol is a fat sparing, muscle burning hormone. When your body needs energy and you haven't eaten in 8 hours, its going to start burning up muscle because they need amino acids. Bye bye muscle. Even if you do lift.

I'm trying to keep it simple so I don't get frusterated

40g Whey Protein (2 scoops)
3 tbsp Dextrose (~40g)
5g Creatine Monohydrate or 3g Creatine Ethyl Ester

Get some lukewarm water (easier to mix) and drink up.

Thats the K.I.S.S. way. Besides, L-Glutamine is vastly overrated and has been pretty much dismissed by the bodybuilding community for about 18 months because its effects were found only when injected into burn victims and pretty much limited to that. Kind of surprised people are still promoting it. Plus whey protein has some L-Glutamine in it already.
 
The Experiment said:
40g Whey Protein (2 scoops)
3 tbsp Dextrose (~40g)
5g Creatine Monohydrate or 3g Creatine Ethyl Ester

Get some lukewarm water (easier to mix) and drink up.

Thats the K.I.S.S. way. Besides, L-Glutamine is vastly overrated and has been pretty much dismissed by the bodybuilding community for about 18 months because its effects were found only when injected into burn victims and pretty much limited to that. Kind of surprised people are still promoting it. Plus whey protein has some L-Glutamine in it already.

Perfect, just needed something simple that wasn't super hardcore crazy like above :) A couple questions though.

-When should that combination be taken?
-Is it a good idea to take that combination while losing weight? (I'm at 259 and 6'5, having dropped 32 in the last 2 and 1/2 months)
-I understand the protein promotes muscle growth, but what do the others do?
-Can all of these be picked up at any old health store?
 
All the glutamine and creatine is not for beginners - more for suckers that walk into a nutrition store with no clue and a fast talking salesman.
Replacement protein meals: They're cheap, convenient, low in fat and sugar, and contain a lot of the vitamins you need. There's nothing unnatural about them.
Don't talk shit like there are no risks. The purity of the protein is very unnatural and for some people their kidneys might not like it. If you are new to something best to cycle it into your meals.
 
If you're dropping the pounds, replace it with oatmeal. Provides the insulin spike needed (which is why the Dextrose is there) without being too high and possibly storing fat. Plus Mr. Olympia drinks his whey shakes with oatmeal instead of dextrose. Dextrose is a somewhat guilt free way of drinking something sweet.

what do the others do?

Dextrose - Provides an insulin spike. By getting the insulin spiked, it causes the protein to go to the muscles. When losing weight, its important since you don't want to be skinny fat (like Subway Jared).

Creatine - Pretty much muscle growth and maintenance. If you are cutting, I'd almost advise to skip this. I went from 260 to 170 (down to an eight pack) without the use of creatine. You don't need it for cutting (losing fat) if you ask me. More money saved on your part.

So since you are losing weight, here is the even more simpler way thats cheap and effective:

2 scoops Whey Protein
2/3 cup Oatmeal (Old Fashioned preferrable)

and if you care to, maybe a teaspoon of Dextrose if you really want some sugar without doing much if any harm to you.
 
Alright, then lets try this one. I'm eating a light breakfast (an example of that is shown above), sometimes I'll switch it up for a couple eggs and a glass of milk or something. Nothing big. Then I go to the gym for either 33 min of cardio on the excerise bike or 1 hour 30 min of weights + the 33 min ride. Is this bad?

The Experiment said:
So since you are losing weight, here is the even more simpler way thats cheap and effective:

2 scoops Whey Protein
2/3 cup Oatmeal (Old Fashioned preferrable)

and if you care to, maybe a teaspoon of Dextrose if you really want some sugar without doing much if any harm to you.

Is that two scoops (what size scoop) of the whey in the oatmeal? Also, that's oatmeal without anything it right? I can have some water with that and not screw things up, right? Will eating oatmeal as supposed to the random little bits (maybe with some milk as a drink?) before the workout ok?

Oh yeah (sorry for the structure, I keep having questions), when I lose the weight and move on to improving my muscles a bit. Can I basically stick with what I've been doing, with the above added in of course, and still get results?
 
ManDudeChild said:
Alright, then lets try this one. I'm eating a light breakfast (an example of that is shown above), sometimes I'll switch it up for a couple eggs and a glass of milk or something. Nothing big. Then I go to the gym for either 33 min of cardio on the excerise bike or 1 hour 30 min of weights + the 33 min ride. Is this bad?

You should tighten up your routine or increase your weights. Its not really a good idea to lift for 90 minutes. The longer you go the longer you will have to rest because all that lactic acid is building up.
 
Lift for an hour. Cardio should be maybe 45 minutes if you count the bike ride. Your body hits a point where it gets too exhausted and results are not optimal. Only the pros lift longer than that typically but only because they're juiced and their bodies can handle the extra fatigue.

The K.I.S.S. principle applies here as well. Make sure you do the main lifts:

Bench Press - Chest
Squat - Legs (but it helps out the back too...if you do it right)
Deadlift - Back
Military Press - Shoulders
Bicep Curls - Bicep

Then toss in some other good ones. Be sure to use free weight as machines tend to suck ass. The eggs in the morning is a good idea. They have all the amino acids you need. I'd switch out the milk or have a small glass with some oatmeal. Oatmeal tastes bad. I myself can only eat it dry without gagging.

Edit: For the Post Workout Shake, put it in a large glass thats probably a liter. Fill it up with 12-14 ounces of water (or whatever, around there), mix in the protein until its all absorbed. Then add in the oatmeal. Drink. Swirl it around to get the oats in there and drink again. There will be a little oatmeal at the bottom probably but I'm sure thats not a problem for you.
 
acidviper said:
You should tighten up your routine or increase your weights. Its not really a good idea to lift for 90 minutes. The longer you go the longer you will have to rest because all that lactic acid is building up.

Well it isn't 90 straight. Basically I spend about 25 - 30 min going through around 10 - 11 stations with 10 reps (3 sets) on each. Then I let all that rest up a bit while I'm doing the cardio. Then I do a bit of free weights. It's closer to an hour 15 usually, but sometimes I need to take a few more rests.

I'm not lifting each day. I did at first, but then I found out about the heal time. So I switched it to second day. For example.

Monday - weight + cardio
Tuesday - cardio
Wednesday - weight + cardio
Thursday - cardio
Friday - weight + cardio
Saturday - cardio
Sunday - weight + cardio

Sometimes I take a day off from the bike and do something else for cardio. An hours walk, shoot some hoops, etc.

The Experiment said:
The K.I.S.S. principle applies here as well. Make sure you do the main lifts:

Bench Press - Chest
Squat - Legs (but it helps out the back too...if you do it right)
Deadlift - Back
Military Press - Shoulders
Bicep Curls - Bicep

With the exception of the squat (I use a couple machines to get the squat muscles working) as each time I've tried doing those manually I've fucked up and had to heal longer. That aside, I'm doing all of those during free weights, at least I think I am. Couple of those names sound odd though.
 
Cardio in the morning is great for losing fat.. don't even brush your teeth (sugar).

This burns fat, and conrary to what someone esle said actually helps you retain your muscle better than doing cardio mid-day.

Creatine doesn't just built up water weight, it can dramatically increase your STRENGTH.

Which lets you lift heavier weights.

Heavier weights = bigger muscles. Sure you look a little bloated while on the creatine cycle, but it's not like ALL it does is give you water weight.

Man there's a lot of bullshit in this thread.
 
Hmm, maybe I should force myself to eat some oatmeal before I workout.

Since there seems to be so many experienced folks in the thread I'll pose these two questions:

What's the ideal length of time to lift?
What's the ideal length of time for cardio?

I currently switch off between cardio and lifting every other weekday and taking breaks on the weekend. Sometimes I do some quick cardio before the lifting if I have time.
 
acidviper said:
Don't talk shit like there are no risks. The purity of the protein is very unnatural and for some people their kidneys might not like it. If you are new to something best to cycle it into your meals.

What? People with bad kidneys shouldn't be taking LARGE amounts of protein? SHOCKING.

In other news, people allergic to walnuts probably shouldn't eat those either.

Forgive me for assuming an individual might be aware of their own kidney problems.
 
FreakyFink: Are you agreeing with me or saying I'm talking bullshit?

If you want I can post the scientific reasoning behind why you should do cardio first thing in the morning to lose fat.
 
Ristamar said:
What? People with bad kidneys shouldn't be taking LARGE amounts of protein? SHOCKING.

In other news, people allergic to walnuts probably shouldn't eat those either.

Forgive me for assuming an individual might be aware of their own kidney problems.

No its more about a problem of purity. Some peoples' kidneys can't handle a source of protein like whey. And since you are pretty unlikely to find a pure source of protein outside of whey its a good idea to cycle it into your diet to see what happens.
 
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