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Listerine No Replacement For Floss, Despite Claim By Ads

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goodcow

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http://www.wnbc.com/health/4061852/detail.html

Judge: Listerine No Replacement For Floss, Despite Claim By Ads
POSTED: 12:52 pm EST January 7, 2005
UPDATED: 2:12 pm EST January 7, 2005

NEW YORK -- An advertising campaign that says the mouthwash Listerine is as effective as floss at fighting tooth and gum decay is false and misleading and poses a public health risk because it can undermine the message of dental professionals, a judge has ruled.

U.S. District Judge Denny Chin said in a decision signed Thursday and made public Friday that he will order Pfizer, the maker of Listerine, to stop the advertising campaign.

"Dentists and hygienists have been telling their patients for decades to floss daily," Chin wrote. "They have been doing so for good reason. The benefits of flossing are real -- they are not a `myth.' Pfizer's implicit message that Listerine can replace floss is false and misleading."

The judge ruled after McNeil-PPC Inc., a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson, filed a lawsuit saying that false claims in the advertising campaign that began last June posed an unfair threat against its sales of dental floss.

Pfizer in print ads had featured a Listerine bottle balanced equally on a scale opposite a floss container with the words: "Listerine antiseptic is clinically proven to be as effective as floss at reducing plaque and gingivitis between the teeth."

The campaign also featured a television commercial titled the "Big Bang." In it, the commercial announces that Listerine is as effective as floss and that clinical tests prove it, though it does add that there is no replacement for flossing.

The judge said "substantial evidence" demonstrates that flossing is important in reducing tooth decay and gum disease and that it cannot be replaced by rinsing with a mouthwash.

The judge also noted that the authors of articles on which Pfizer based its advertising campaign had emphasized that dental professionals should continue to recommend daily flossing and cautioned that they were not suggesting that mouthrinse be used instead of floss.

Messages left with Pfizer and McNeil-PPC Friday were not immediately returned.
 
That seems silly... the ads didn't claim it as a replacement. I could make an ad claiming vacuuming cleans your house as well as washing the windows. Must Pfizer now amend all their ads so they say "Listerine can help as much as flossing, but in a different way so please don't stop flossing or they'll sue us again!"
 

ShadowRed

Banned
Doesn't it also cause bad breath because the alcohol drys your mouth out? I was told never brush or gargle with anything that contains alcohol or sodioum something or other, and i don't mean sodium petathol (sp), ie truth serum.
 

Teflar

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I was always told to listerine before you brush... that way the brushing clears away excess alcohol, and also because the listerine strips the cleaning ingredient from your teeth.

Also, don't those ads specifically state that listerine is not a substution for flossing?
 

goodcow

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Teflar said:
I was always told to listerine before you brush... that way the brushing clears away excess alcohol, and also because the listerine strips the cleaning ingredient from your teeth.

Listerine strips the cleaning ingredient from your teeth? Elaborate.
 

Teflar

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JoshuaJSlone said:
I took what he was saying to mean any leftover from the toothpaste on your teeth would be washed off.

Yeah, the flouride or whatnot that supposed to stay on to protect your teeth gets washed off by listerine. So sayth my dentist!
 

goodcow

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Teflar said:
Yeah, the flouride or whatnot that supposed to stay on to protect your teeth gets washed off by listerine. So sayth my dentist!

But it's fine, and even beneficial to use Listerine and THEN brush, right? I'm not just using Listerine in vain, am I?
 

Phoenix

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I think its pretty simple IMO. If Listerine doesn't provide a replacement for flossing as the ads suggest (and they do suggest that), then the ads need to be withdrawn.
 

DarthWoo

I'm glad Grandpa porked a Chinese Muslim
Don't we have all that baby deforming (according to some crazies) fluoride in the water here in the states so that toothpaste doesn't need to have so much of it?
 

KiNeSiS

Banned
I don't know about these adds.
But I'll tell you this.
My Listerene says that shit right on the bottle!!
It was a bonus pack that came with a new listerene advanced.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
I've been seeing these ads for months and in print at the bottom of the screen it says "rinsing does not replace flossing" or something like that, which I always assumed was there to avoid lawsuits like these. I seem to recall those ads making it rather clear that Listerine was not the exact equivalent of flossing.
 

SKluck

Banned
All I know is that whenever I floss, it never 'gets' anything because I use mouthwash. Sometimes I'll just try flossing for the hell of it, and always come up empty. So the mouthwash must be doing something right.

Also, my dentist used to tell me every time I was there to use mouthwash. Not as a replacement for flossing, but I've never heard anyone say you shouldn't use mouthwash.
 
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