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[kruis]

It's because they rip off designs of imported technology and then pass it off as their own while producing it for peanuts (aka with sweat shops).

As opposed to US companies that manufacture products in South East Asian like Cambodia and Thailand where humble factory workers live like the kings of old.

 

[ReyBrujo]

no ray-tracing support , seriously?

I was told it was the biggest scam in gaming history.

Gotta love how suddenly everyone is defending Nvidia

 

[Sonik]

This could very well be the stupidest thing I've read on Neogaf. That, or a very silly trolling attempt. Got me, I guess.

You know, I have no problem with people calling posts dumb but what kind of douchebag is this rude about a post and refuses to clarify? What are you even implying here? That Americans don't produce spyware tech? That's hilariously false, in fact most of their tech is spyware, anyone with half a brain knows for example that anything Google touches is spyware, and don't even get me started on those Intel backdoors.

Or is that we should trust "benevolent" Americans more with our data than the Chinese? To that I say l fucking ol, not even Americans should trust American corporations and the American government that American corporations are sending the data to, which has been proven with the Snowden leaks btw. Tell us, what is so dumb about that post, smarty pants?

I mean I hate Nvidias descent into filthy levels of greed, these guys gave us pro consumer all time great products like the glorious 8800gt and now we get a 5060 for near 400 but let's not downplay the fact that they have also innovated and pushed the industry forward and are the defacto leader in gpu and ai hardware. Instead of wishing them to crash and burn lets hope for a real competitor to come in forcing them to pull back to giving us actual affordable performance products.

10 years ago you could buy the highest end cards for 600 dollars so 5060 costing 400 is NOT something to be celebrated

 

[existensmaximum]

You know, I have no problem with people calling posts dumb but what kind of douchebag is this rude about a post and refuses to clarify? What are you even implying here? That Americans don't produce spyware tech? That's hilariously false, in fact most of their tech is spyware, anyone with half a brain knows for example that anything Google touches is spyware, and don't even get me started on those Intel backdoors.

Or is that we should trust "benevolent" Americans more with our data than the Chinese? To that I say l fucking ol, not even Americans should trust American corporations and the American government that American corporations are sending the data to, which has been proven with the Snowden leaks btw. Tell us, what is so dumb about that post, smarty pants?



10 years ago you could buy the highest end cards for 600 dollars so 5060 costing 400 is NOT something to be celebrated

What I implying is that however bad and extensive the American spyware situation is, the Chinese is infinitely worse. As well as comparing how malicious the two respective regimes are.

 

[kruis]

You know, I have no problem with people calling posts dumb but what kind of douchebag is this rude about a post and refuses to clarify? What are you even implying here? That Americans don't produce spyware tech? That's hilariously false, in fact most of their tech is spyware, anyone with half a brain knows for example that anything Google touches is spyware, and don't even get me started on those Intel backdoors.

Or is that we should trust "benevolent" Americans more with our data than the Chinese? To that I say l fucking ol, not even Americans should trust American corporations and the American government that American corporations are sending the data to, which has been proven with the Snowden leaks btw. Tell us, what is so dumb about that post, smarty pants?

I'd worry more about western companies spying on me than the Chinese government doing that. We all know that when something on the internet is "free", then you are the product. Whenever you use Google or Meta online services, they reserve the right for themselves to follow your tracks, to read what you write, gather all that information and use it to push personalized ads to you and sell information about who you are, where you live, what you do to others. They're brazen enough to use your mails to train their AI, they would even like to claim any art or music you store on their service for their own use. The list goes on and on and on.

 

[Sonik]

What I implying is that however bad and extensive the American spyware situation is, the Chinese is infinitely worse. As well as comparing how malicious the two respective regimes are.

Ah yes, the infinitely better US that has turned entire regions into hellholes through war, coups and IMF economic terrorism. Both regimes are terrible, so I'll just prefer the one that isn't ripping me off. Imagine demanding loyalty to America's greedy fucking corporations because of a perceived moral superiority of the nation that has been starting a war every couple of years the last 2-3 decades

 

[SABRE220]

You know, I have no problem with people calling posts dumb but what kind of douchebag is this rude about a post and refuses to clarify? What are you even implying here? That Americans don't produce spyware tech? That's hilariously false, in fact most of their tech is spyware, anyone with half a brain knows for example that anything Google touches is spyware, and don't even get me started on those Intel backdoors.

Or is that we should trust "benevolent" Americans more with our data than the Chinese? To that I say l fucking ol, not even Americans should trust American corporations and the American government that American corporations are sending the data to, which has been proven with the Snowden leaks btw. Tell us, what is so dumb about that post, smarty pants?



10 years ago you could buy the highest end cards for 600 dollars so 5060 costing 400 is NOT something to be celebrated

Oh I wasn't celebrating that 40$ price tag for the 5060 on the contrary I was just making the comparison how far Nvidia has fallen in terms of greed.

The creator of possibly the best graphics card for consumers ever the 8800gt a card that offered near flagship performance for just 250$ has become the disgrace that charges 400 dollars for a butchered tiny die with 8gb of ram.

 

[Sonik]

Oh I wasn't celebrating that 40$ price tag for the 5060 on the contrary I was just making the comparison how far Nvidia has fallen in terms of greed.

The creator of possibly the best graphics card for consumers ever the 8800gt a card that offered near flagship performance for just 250$ has become the disgrace that charges 400 dollars for a butchered tiny die with 8gb of ram.

Yeah you're right, I misread your post there

 

[StereoVsn]

Ah yes, the infinitely better US that has turned entire regions into hellholes through war, coups and IMF economic terrorism. Both regimes are terrible, so I'll just prefer the one that isn't ripping me off. Imagine demanding loyalty to America's greedy fucking corporations because of a perceived moral superiority of the nation that has been starting a war every couple of years the last 2-3 decades

Yes, the amazing CCP which murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, invaded Vietnam, India, and made North Korea one of the worst places on Earth and a danger to many others.

The CCP which claimed all of South China Sea, is bullying all surrounding countries and is preparing to invade Taiwan. Oh and supports Putin's warmongering in Ukraine as well as Iran's regime.

Same CCP that also turned China into a police state and basically extinguished any semblance of reforms after Xi came to power.

I could go on. Yeah, US has done some bad shit (Iran, Afghanistan, South America and more), and yes, US tech companies collect and sell data. But no, with all of that it doesn't come close to the danger that Xi and CCP brings to the world and their own citizens.

China is an amazing country with great culture, interesting history, tasty food and a ton of cool places to visit. All of that has been basically fucked over by the current Chinese government.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Yes, but they're very good at this. And this leads to knowledge. With the infinite money supply from the CCP and how effectively they use this money, it's a matter of time until they actually pose a threat to western tech in pretty much all areas.

Yes and no.

On the one hand, infinity money from the CCP, complete lack of respect for stolen IP, and Chairman Xi's ambitions to dominate the world

On the other hand, the culture of the nation and 差不多

As long as China doesn't fundamentally reform their culture, 差不多 will prevent Chinese domination of the world

 

[Represent.]

I fucking love China

 

[nkarafo]

I would never buy something designed in China from the ground up.

But other people would so it's a good thing it exists for me to have a small chance to buy the next Nvidia card a bit cheaper

 

[SABRE220]

Yes, the amazing CCP which murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, invaded Vietnam, India, and made North Korea one of the worst places on Earth and a danger to many others.

The CCP which claimed all of South China Sea, is bullying all surrounding countries and is preparing to invade Taiwan. Oh and supports Putin's warmongering in Ukraine as well as Iran's regime.

Same CCP that also turned China into a police state and basically extinguished any semblance of reforms after Xi came to power.

I could go on. Yeah, US has done some bad shit (Iran, Afghanistan, South America and more), and yes, US tech companies collect and sell data. But no, with all of that it doesn't come close to the danger that Xi and CCP brings to the world and their own citizens.

China is an amazing country with great culture, interesting history, tasty food and a ton of cool places to visit. All of that has been basically fucked over by the current Chinese government.

My guy, let's avoid a prolonged political debate here, but you'll find a significant amount of armed conflicts in the last 3 decades have had the hands of the US involved. It's funny that you can downplay those conflicts as if they were minor offenses...the Iraq War alone cost nearly a million lives with no justification.


The US would destabilize whole regions and topple governments at the mere notion that anyone would disagree with their interests. Anyone who dares stand up quickly becomes part of the axis of evil and is then promptly brought down by proxy-funded groups, many would call terror groups. I mean the whole Middle East is basically a mess because of greed....the US literally razed Iraq, causing nearly a million deaths based on supposed weapons of mass destruction, which was proved bogus just because Bibi said so. I mean the scariest and worst part is the US is influenced and some would say controlled by Israel to a mind-boggling extent.

Then there's Afghanistan the absolute pandoras box that came from the US training and funding the Taliban with Pakistan to take on the Soviets ...and lo and behold post the soviet conflict said terrorist group became the thorn for the whole world causing a Shockwave that basically caused untold amounts of misery across the world post 9/11 and now said Taliban is ruling the country with US based abandoned weapons being a threat to every nation along its borders.

There was Vietnam...no need to expand on that, the Syria proxy war, Lebanon being toppled and the US is currently the only country in the whole world who is allowing the slaughter and starvation of the Palestinians on the beck and call of Israel...literally everyone around the world, including its allies are saying bro this is way too far but..I don't know what Mossad has on their politicians.

I'm not saying China is some saint; they have their skeletons in the closet, but if you look at it holistically, calling China the evil big baddie in the world compared to the US, when the US has caused significantly greater conflict around the world, just doesn't have a lot of merit. Most of the public in the US are, of course, amazing and contributed immensely to developments in science and medicine, etc, but its military and regional meddling remains a sore stain.

 

[MrCunningham]

I could only imagine this thing being an Aliexpress top seller.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

I buy enough garbage from China. Waiting for the Nvidia USA plant to start pumping out those babies.

 

[roosnam1980]

I was told it was the biggest scam in gaming history.

Gotta love how suddenly everyone is defending Nvidia

not defending nvidia but lack of dx12 ultimate raytracing support means this thing wont run games like doom tda and indiana jones and the great circle.

 

[winjer]

not defending nvidia but lack of dx12 ultimate raytracing support means this thing wont run games like doom tda and indiana jones and the great circle.

If the price is significantly lower, that is something I could live without.
Much more important is the apparent lack of AI units and a proper upscaler.

 

[jm89]

China's rapid advancement in tech is insane.

They are gonna have to, with uncle Sam stifling advancement where ever they can.

 

[roosnam1980]

If the price is significantly lower, that is something I could live without.
Much more important is the apparent lack of AI units and a proper upscaler.

i mean upcoming games will require mandatory ray-tracing support by the Gpu , bit of an oversight by the team behind this upcoming gpu from china.

 

[winjer]

i mean upcoming games will require mandatory ray-tracing support by the Gpu , bit of an oversight by the team behind this upcoming gpu from china.

I hope not, because RT still causes massive performance loses.
Until the hardware catches up, it's best to have the option to turn it off.

 

[Panajev2001a]

i mean upcoming games will require mandatory ray-tracing support by the Gpu , bit of an oversight by the team behind this upcoming gpu from china.

You need to see how well games like Doom: The Dark Ages runs with emulated RT on GCN/Vega class HW actually. Surprisingly well .

 

[Sonik]

i mean upcoming games will require mandatory ray-tracing support by the Gpu , bit of an oversight by the team behind this upcoming gpu from china.

If a game has mandatory RT that's a game I'm not buying, we should request a feature where steam clarifies it on the game's steam page. I'm convinced that RT was pushed so much to sell new hardware, I still haven't seen the kind of difference with RT that justifies the RIDICULOUS resource hogging

 

[roosnam1980]

You need to see how well games like Doom: The Dark Ages runs with emulated RT on GCN/Vega class HW actually. Surprisingly well .

got a link to this mod?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

not defending nvidia but lack of dx12 ultimate raytracing support means this thing wont run games like doom tda and indiana jones and the great circle.

Chinese gamers don't play Western AAA titles anyways

This is meant for the Chinese market, that's why they demonstrated it running Wukong

 

[winjer]

Chinese gamers don't play Western AAA titles anyways

This is meant for the Chinese market, that's why they demonstrated it running Wukong

Considering how bad most AAA western games are nowadays, it's not like they are missing out.

 

[Panajev2001a]

got a link to this mod?

It is not a mod per se, just the open source radv driver, latest MESA release, and some config:

RADV Driver Now Emulates Ray-Tracing By Default For Older AMD GPUs For A Newer Game - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Mesa 25.1 will make Indiana Jones: The Great Circle playable on older AMD GPUs

Since Ray Tracing is a requirement to run Indiana Jones: The Great Circle, a change has been merged into RADV (AMD Vulkan driver) for Mesa to get it working on older AMD GPUs.

www.gamingonlinux.com

They had some issues with the FP16 rapid packed math support depending on the GPU at one point (I think they would crash if the GPU did not have FP16 support but they did even on the GPUs that had it even if at 1x of the FP32 speed, it was less used but still useful to save registers), but they solved that as well.

If you have a GPU with lots of local caches, a LOT of compute, and ability to accelerate decent upscalers they can get very decent RT going (albeit at lower resolution and framerate compared to your top of the line nVIDIA GPU).