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[Ned Flanders]

Motherfucker. I'm all atingle. I've had my HD set for a few days now and I am completely smitten. I just love knowing that every time I sit down to play a game that I'm going to be experience the best visuals that the hardware can give me (ok not 1080p, but you get my drift). It took me a while to finally get on the HD bandwagon, but man is it worth it.

Even the games that don't support progressive just look sexier on the super crisp screen in 16:9. NBA Street V3, even with the crunchier 480i edges, still looks so much more colorful and the view of the court really makes the action feel more open and less obstructed. It almost feels like it was the way the game was meant to be played and that 4:3 was just what I had to settle for.

I rented Mercenaries and Doom3, both of which support 420p, and I'll be damned if they don't look smooth as all get out. Mercenaries is just blooming with color and texture and the panoramas look very cinematic in widescreen. Doom just becomes even sharper and more clinical looking, almost making the environs even more intimidating.

One thing I'm wondering though..my old set supported component cables, but I always just used an S-Video input and a switchbox for all 3 systems. Would I see equally as impressive a jump in color depth/resolution for the 480i games on my old set as I do on my HD set simply because of the component cables, or does the hi-color, sharp look have more to do with my new screen than the cables. My old set doesn't support and sort of progressive, but I'm wondering if all this time I could have been getting more of of my visuals had I passed on the S-video and went straight to component. I gave my old set to my brother (to borrow..heh)..maybe I'll take my X-Box and the new cables over there to test my theory sometime.

 

[Blimblim]

Component is a big step up for color vibrance compared to S-Video.

 

[ChrisReid]

Yeah, you should notice a better picture just going to component.

 

[Ned Flanders]

FUCK YEAH!!! I FLIPPED MY PS2 UPSIDE DOWN AND THERES NO MORE "DISC READ ERROR" ON TEKKEN 5!!! THE WHOLE REASON I BOUGHT THE SET WAS TO PLAY TEKKEN 5 IN PROGRESSIVE!!!!

FUCK YES!!!!

 

[DEO3]

I experienced the exact opposite.

I never noticed how flawed this generation was untill I got my RPCRT HDTV. I found my PS2 to be practicly unplayable because how how asstastic it's games looked on a bigger screen, I ended up moving it to my bedroom where I now have it running on a smaller television. I still have my Gamecube hooked up due to the fact that almost all of its games offer progressive scan (if you have an older Gamecube and the special cable, that is). While the resolution is the same, and therefore still crappy looking, it's at least a bit more tolerable.

But then again I do own a rather large television, and am forced to sit fairly close to it due to living in a condo.

I never bought an Xbox, but have seriously thought about picking one up recently due to it's support of higher resolutions. But with the XB360 so near, there's not really any point for me to waste money on the current XB. My plan originaly was to pickup a Revolution for sure (since it will offer things the other two consoles will not) and then decide on either an XB360 or a PS3 (since both systems really offer the same thing as far as game offerings) to compliment it. But if the Revolution, as is rumored, won't be capable of prodcing an output greater then that of 480p then I don't expect I'll be picking one up after all.

I love Nintendo, I just wish they'd love me back.

 

[Ned Flanders]

I feel like a kid in a candy store right now. I feel like the day in 1987 that I came home from school and my dad kept dropping hints until I flipped up the door to the NES and saw a shiny gold cartridge inside. I feel like the day I got Street Fighter 2. I feel like 9/9/99.


This is so fucking awesome. Thank you gravity!!

 

[Mupepe]

Is RE4 progressive scan, I don't have the case handy, I'm at work. But I get my HDTV in about 2 hours and that's something that I'm looking forward to.

 

[android]

Is RE4 progressive scan, I don't have the case handy, I'm at work. But I get my HDTV in about 2 hours and that's something that I'm looking forward to.

My case doesn't show it.

 

[Mupepe]

My case doesn't show it.

=( son of a...

 

[Blimblim]

RE4 is progressive scan.

 

[Mupepe]

RE4 is progressive scan.

 

[Sagitario]

Is RE4 progressive scan, I don't have the case handy, I'm at work. But I get my HDTV in about 2 hours and that's something that I'm looking forward to.

RE4 is ProScan compatible...

 

[Uncle Dukey]

It's progressive scan, but not widescreen.

Personally, I think HDTVs bring out a lot of flaws with 480i material. It makes some games that look great on SDTVs end up looking like low resolution / low detail PC games...

 

[MightyHedgehog]

RE4 looks much better in standard, non-progressive form, IMO. It's almost too ugly to look at in pro-scan...so much muddiness and pixelly nonsense.

 

[Buggy Loop]

You cant get a progressive signal throught S-video iirc...

Metroid prime is another game that looks gorgeous in progressive scan

 

[Suikoguy]

I always thought Ratchet and Clank 2,3 was a clean looking Pro Scan game

 

[Eric P]

HD gaming rules.

one of the things i've found is that a number of Cube titles that don't specifically state "Progressive Scan" on the box are actually progressive scan titles (or at least it gives me the option when i start the game of playing it in Progressive Mode).

The only problem w/ it is that some games previously hidden graphical flaws or short cuts become readily appearant. Most recently Front Mission 4 was one horrible graphical mess.

 

[koam]

It's 480p not 420p and also, 480p isn't HD, it's just not interlaced.

 

[Nick Laslett]

Good looking prog scan PS2 games:

Burnout 3
God of War
Soul Calibur 2
Primal
Ghosthunter

 

[vatstep]

I always thought Ratchet and Clank 2,3 was a clean looking Pro Scan game

I kind of think R&C3 looks like ass. Since you can enable pro-scan in the menu, it's easy to just toggle it on and off and see the difference in front of your eyes. Frankly, there is no difference.

Most PS2 games look like crap on an HDTV. It's not so bad with Gamecube or Xbox.

 

[FortNinety]

Oh God, am I the only one who is an absolute retard when it comes to HD gaming and all the resolution configs? I can't keep track!

Please people, help this shmuck out my telling me if I am HD gaming already or not. Actually I know I'm not, but how "close" am I?

I have my PS2, GC, and Xbox all hooked up via component (the red, blue, green video wires, right?). My TV is a 27 inch Toshiba. It's not a widescreen and its just a flat CRT.

So am I 50% closer to HD than just composite? 75%? 25%? I have no idea if my TV is 480i, 480p, 720i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p, OPP....

 

[Prine]

RE4 looks absolutley terrible in prog scan. I was playing it yesterday, and i thought to myself "God this game looks like shit"

didnt like it all

 

[Apharmd Battler]

It's progressive scan, but not widescreen.

Personally, I think HDTVs bring out a lot of flaws with 480i material. It makes some games that look great on SDTVs end up looking like low resolution / low detail PC games...

Exactly, one game that sticks out in my mind is SegaGT on the XBox, it looked like you were playing the game while viewing it through a screen door. Thats the reason I was wiaitng until next-gen to go HD, when all consoles use the output properly and consistantly. Even some averga egame looks fantastic in HD. I remember when I saw Unreal Championship and Enclave or the first time on a HD set. I was like, WOW!

 

[gstaff]

Soul Caliber 2
Smash Brothers Melee
RE4
God of War
Ninja Gaidnen
Halo 2

 

[vatstep]

Oh God, am I the only one who is an absolute retard when it comes to HD gaming and all the resolution configs? I can't keep track!

Well, your TV is not an HDTV, right? If it was, you'd probably know.

No matter what kind of basic connection you use (RF, composite, s-video), you're going to get 480i resolution and that's IT. Obviously, each connection method offers incremental improvements (s-video > composite > RF), but you probably know that. The only way to get 480p (also called progressive scan) with current consoles is with component cables, which you have. You know how to enable it in games, right? 480p will essentially make games look better, but with most titles, it will really just amplify their flaws. This is especially true with PS2 games.

480p is not high def, though. High def is 720p, 1080i, or 1080p (it will come eventually). While progressive scan does make an improvement most of the time, the improvement will not be as big as going from 480i to 720p, for example. And, since it doesn't sound like you have an HDTV, I'm not going to suggest any of the handful of games this gen that use 720p/1080i.

 

[Crazymoogle]

Please people, help this shmuck out my telling me if I am HD gaming already or not. Actually I know I'm not, but how "close" am I?

Not very

I have my PS2, GC, and Xbox all hooked up via component (the red, blue, green video wires, right?). My TV is a 27 inch Toshiba. It's not a widescreen and its just a flat CRT.

So am I 50% closer to HD than just composite? 75%? 25%? I have no idea if my TV is 480i, 480p, 720i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p, OPP....

Model number? It's not that hard to check.

It's not unheard of for normal SD TVs to have component plugs. So likely what you are getting is a very clean 480i signal.

480p (also known as EDTV) requires changing settings (PS2, XBox) or holding down the B button at loadup (GC). And obviously you won't see shit if your TV doesn't support it.

So...10%? I mean, you're seeing a nice looking 480i image, but that doesn't mean a thing compared to HD resolution. 720p has three times the pixels to work with.

 

[Barnimal]

as all get out! :lol

 

[Minotauro]

RE4 looks much better in standard, non-progressive form, IMO. It's almost too ugly to look at in pro-scan...so much muddiness and pixelly nonsense.

Yeah, I agree. RE4 is one of the few games I actually play interlaced. It's really too bad too...it would look so good in true widescreen with satisfactory progressive support.

Also, are you sure NBA Street supports widescreen? Are you sure you're not just playing it stretched? I only ask because that's a major pet peeve of mine. Just a few weeks ago, I was at this guys house and they were all playing NFS: Underground on his widescreen television and it was all stretched out. I honestly don't know how no one else noticed it...all the cars looked fat.

 

[Gek54]

RE4 looks absolutley terrible in prog scan. I was playing it yesterday, and i thought to myself "God this game looks like shit"

didnt like it all

Any reason as to why this is?

 

[Prine]

Any reason as to why this is?

All the flaws were just magnified to a degree where it really impacts the overall visuals. The game becomes far more jaggy too

I prefer playing it on my other telly, looks awesome on my CRT tube

 

[joystickz]

EDIT: Looks like i was beaten to the customer service line....

 

[joystickz]

Not very



Model number? It's not that hard to check.

It's not unheard of for normal SD TVs to have component plugs. So likely what you are getting is a very clean 480i signal.

480p (also known as EDTV) requires changing settings (PS2, XBox) or holding down the B button at loadup (GC). And obviously you won't see shit if your TV doesn't support it.

So...10%? I mean, you're seeing a nice looking 480i image, but that doesn't mean a thing compared to HD resolution. 720p has three times the pixels to work with.

spoke too hastily.

thsese guys are already on track to helping you out.

but yes....

which model is your set?
go from there...

 

[Mayor McCheese]

I still have my Gamecube hooked up due to the fact that almost all of its games offer progressive scan (if you have an older Gamecube and the special cable, that is). While the resolution is the same, and therefore still crappy looking, it's at least a bit more tolerable.

You make me want to spend extra scratch on some component cables for my GC now. Those mofos are $50 if I remember correctly. Much more than the $20 jobs i got for the PS2 and XBOX. You are the devil.

 

[Stinkles]

Any reason as to why this is?

It makes the textures look worse, but IMHO every single game loks better at 480p. Jaggies may be ugly, but I will take jag over smear any day.

I can never go back to 480i.

Best HD/ED demos are: Amped 2, Dragons Lair (purely for checking out line details) and Tekken 4. Not so much Gran Turismo's "1080" mode, because it's sort of a kludge. I almost prefer it in 480p.

 

[DCX]

Oh God, am I the only one who is an absolute retard when it comes to HD gaming and all the resolution configs? I can't keep track!

Please people, help this shmuck out my telling me if I am HD gaming already or not. Actually I know I'm not, but how "close" am I?

I have my PS2, GC, and Xbox all hooked up via component (the red, blue, green video wires, right?). My TV is a 27 inch Toshiba. It's not a widescreen and its just a flat CRT.

So am I 50% closer to HD than just composite? 75%? 25%? I have no idea if my TV is 480i, 480p, 720i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p, OPP....

You have the best possible connection with just 480i. Nothing more. Your TV is not HD, therefor you can't see a progressive image ( 480P ) nor any of the HD resolutions ( 720P/1080i/1080p).

DCX

 

[vatstep]

You have the best possible connection with just 480i. Nothing more. Your TV is not HD, therefor you can't see a progressive image ( 480P ) nor any of the HD resolutions ( 720P/1080i/1080p).

DCX

There are plenty of SD sets that do progressive scan. They've been around for a few years, even. I'm just not sure if his particular set does it.

 

[joystickz]

.....Your TV is not HD, therefor you can't see a progressive image ( 480P ) nor any of the HD resolutions ( 720P/1080i/1080p).

DCX

but.....
he never said what model his toshiba was?

it could support HD.... but he hasnt shared the model yet.

 

[DCX]

Let me just say, if you own a TV and paid over $600 for a 27" and DON'T know it's HD, then there's a problem, i'm playing the percentages and can almost say without a shadow of a doubt that his TV is not HD, thx for playing.

DCX

 

[teepo]

wtf... god of war looks terrible on a hdtv set.

the widescreen option just strecthes out the image making it look blurry and pixelated around the edges.

 

[DCX]

wtf... god of war looks terrible on a hdtv set.

the widescreen option just strecthes out the image making it look blurry and pixelated around the edges.

Try running it in progressive mode? Look pretty good to me...

DCX

 

[Lo-Volt]

I have a semi-on-topic question about HD component. I noticed that the Xbox 360 will use HD component cables as a standard, but I won't be joining some of you in the HD era so fast. But several SDTVs use component ports for resolution of up to 480i. Would these cables work with SDTVs that have component (blue and green, etc.) ports or am I stuck with composite?

On-topic: I'm jealous of you all. There seem to be no 20-inch CRT hi-def units for some reason. Did that part of the overall market disappear or something?

 

[Minotauro]

wtf... god of war looks terrible on a hdtv set.

the widescreen option just strecthes out the image making it look blurry and pixelated around the edges.

You should run it in standard but with progressive enabled. The widescreen mode just zooms in on the standard image. I really hate things like this actually. What sense does it make for a widescreen mode to actually offer less of viewing area than standard?

 

[Crazymoogle]

I have a semi-on-topic question about HD component. I noticed that the Xbox 360 will use HD component cables as a standard, but I won't be joining some of you in the HD era so fast. But several SDTVs use component ports for resolution of up to 480i. Would these cables work with SDTVs that have component (blue and green, etc.) ports or am I stuck with composite?

Component = Component

So you're good to go