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[Johnny Concrete]

Have to say I'm more intrigued by Marathon because it seems to address some of my gripes with Hunt Showdown

Curious what your gripes are with Hunt.

I really like Extraction style shooters and Hunt is my favourite at the moment, but I would love a more dense, action packed game myself, which seems to be what Marathon is offering. As a casual gamer who probably spends not much more then 4 hours per week playing, I just don't always feel like 'sitting in a bush' for 15 minutes straight, just to surprise the team with the bounty.
I also really like the art style and mystery around Marathon. And like mentioned before: the gunplay looks really solid. The downside is absolutely being forced to team up with 2 others, which is in my case always 2 random people, which I also do in Helldivers and Hunt, but it's kind of like a box of chocolates every time..

ARC Raiders is interesting. I don't know how much I would like the third-person perspective in a PvP shooter like this. The vibe is almost the opposite of Marathon, being a gritty realistically rendered world. I was very impressed with The Finals (also Embark Studios), so this team sure has the talent to pull something incredible off. What I find interesting is that the PvE enemies are so different from the players. Most extraction shooters you still fight the same enemies (dudes/robots with guns), but these are like spiders, big spiders, huge spiders, all types of drones and weird orbs.

Exciting times for PvP shooter fans!

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Curious what your gripes are with Hunt.

I really like Extraction style shooters and Hunt is my favourite at the moment, but I would love a more dense, action packed game myself, which seems to be what Marathon is offering. As a casual gamer who probably spends not much more then 4 hours per week playing, I just don't always feel like 'sitting in a bush' for 15 minutes straight, just to surprise the team with the bounty.
I also really like the art style and mystery around Marathon. And like mentioned before: the gunplay looks really solid. The downside is absolutely being forced to team up with 2 others, which is in my case always 2 random people, which I also do in Helldivers and Hunt, but it's kind of like a box of chocolates every time..

ARC Raiders is interesting. I don't know how much I would like the third-person perspective in a PvP shooter like this. The vibe is almost the opposite of Marathon, being a gritty realistically rendered world. I was very impressed with The Finals (also Embark Studios), so this team sure has the talent to pull something incredible off. What I find interesting is that the PvE enemies are so different from the players. Most extraction shooters you still fight the same enemies (dudes/robots with guns), but these are like spiders, big spiders, huge spiders, all types of drones and weird orbs.

Exciting times for PvP shooter fans!

My main gripes with Hunt are like a general sense of progression. I like the gameplay-loop, but when they started a new season, everything was gone. Which is part of the genre, but it would be much better for me personally if there was a bit more sense of progression, which they seem to provide with the factions (in Marathon).

Also, maps become a bit stale, imo. Going by all the info, Marathon will uave mechanics in play that can drastically change the maps over the course of a season, so I assume it should offer more variety.
The weather-system they supposedly got in place might help with this as well. Going by MH Wilds it could enhance the experience, maybe even add depth to the gameplay.

This also goes for the Shells. In Hunt, I see no reason to level up different hunters because afaik they only differ cosmetically.
In Marathon, different shells offer different skill-set, which are incentives to use completely different playstyles.

It just sounds like Marathon will be offering more variety and offer more incentive for me to keep playing.

But I'll have to play first. It sounds good, but so did Destiny 2 on paper.

 

[StueyDuck]

 

[GymWolf]

Arc raider seems more my cup of tea but i've always been curious to try an extraction shooter and tarkov look way too hard and complicated for me, on the other hand marathon seems way too basic, and the lack of proximity chat is some fucking bullshit because that is 50% of the reason why i would try an extraction shooter to begin with.

Hopefully we get an open beta so i can try both.

 

[Johnny Concrete]

My main gripes with Hunt are like a general sense of progression. I like the gameplay-loop, but when they started a new season, everything was gone. Which is part of the genre, but it would be much better for me personally if there was a bit more sense of progression, which they seem to provide with the factions.

Also, maps become a bit stale, imo. Going by all the info, Marathon will uave mechanics in play that can drastically change the maps over the course of a season, so I assume it should offer more variety.
The weather-system they supposedly got in place might help with this as well. Going by MH Wilds it could enhance the experience, maybe even add depth to the gameplay.

This also goes for the Shells. In Hunt, I see no reason to level up different hunters because afaik they only differ cosmetically.
In Marathon, different shells offer different skill-set, which are incentives to use completely different playstyles.

It just sounds like Marathon will be offering more variety and offer more incentive for me to keep playing.

But I'll have to play first. It sounds good, but so did Destiny 2 on paper.

They definitely omitted some info regarding the weather systems. In other interviews I heard them mentioning lightning storms where it can stun players and also rain cooling down the runners, so they can sprint for longer.

Apparently the other maps are a very different experience than Dire Marsh. One that has a lot more verticality and the other has some puzzles (?).

 

[Toots]

I voted arc raider because at least it is pretty to look at

 

[Killjoy-NL]

They definitely omitted some info regarding the weather systems. In other interviews I heard them mentioning lightning storms where it can stun players and also rain cooling down the runners, so they can sprint for longer.

Apparently the other maps are a very different experience than Dire Marsh. One that has a lot more verticality and the other has some puzzles (?).

I missed that about the influence of the weather system.
Sounds good. Would love to learn more about it.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

When I first saw Arc I thought it looked like a thrilling co-op looter shooter with a really appealing style, but then I caught wind of them pivoting to a pure extraction experience and my interest was somewhat dampened. Still, I'm keen to have a go at the final release as opposed to Marathon, which I just think looks absolutely dire.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I did not expect ARC Raiders

Curious what your gripes are with Hunt.

I really like Extraction style shooters and Hunt is my favourite at the moment, but I would love a more dense, action packed game myself, which seems to be what Marathon is offering.

I know you didn't ask me but this is my cat nip so...

[Played about 10 hours of Hunt]

- Felt like 90% (maybe more?) of the game was slowly walking past stupidly underpowered AI.

- The formula of (run to clue 1, then run to clue 2, then run to boss) felt way too linear and repetitive for me.

- Map design was obsessed with keeping everyone lethal to everyone at all times. I rarely found long range sniping points that gave you good information. Every fight seemed to kick off the moment I fired at someone...a lot of games let you prep areas.

- Lack of compelling progression. I never really cared when I died because upgrades didn't have enough oomph to a new player. Vigor (almost universally regarded as a worse game) gave me significantly more heart pounding moments. I'd almost call it a Battle Royale rather than an Extraction game.

- Game rewards shooting over sandbox manipulation.

+ Best sound design in any game I've ever played.

+ I dug the aesthetic.

It felt like a game I needed to play 50 hours to hook into.

 

[Johnny Concrete]

I'd almost call it a Battle Royale rather than an Extraction game.

I don't agree with most of what you've stated in that post, but there's some truth to this quote.

Like a BR the outcome is fairly binary: you win or you lose. Extracting without the bounty is pretty pointless.
Normally an extraction shooter offers a whole variety of results, from losing big to winning big and everything in between.

 

[GymWolf]

Men_in_Boxes aren't cheaters extremely bad in an extraction shooter? Like worst genre ever to have cheaters on it?! (I mean except mmorpg with pvp i guess)

Like in a normal deathmatch you lose and nothing happen but in tarkov you could lose dozens of hours of grind because of chaters and on pc it seems like it's easy to find them, how did they even managed to have success with such a big thing to deal with?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Men_in_Boxes aren't cheaters extremely bad in an extraction shooter? Like worst genre ever to have cheaters on it?! (I mean except mmorpg with pvp i guess)

Like in a normal deathmatch you lose and nothing happen but in tarkov you could lose dozens of hours of grind because of chaters and on pc it seems like it's easy to find them, how did they even managed to have success with such a big thing to deal with?

Yeah, but I'm not worried about cheaters personally, especially with a big, well resourced company like Bungie. If Tarkov can create a successful product despite the cheaters it means the issue isn't scaring away the majority of players.

Then there's this...

Over 60% of Call of Duty players reported for cheating are on console, but the data says nearly all cheaters are on PC: 'We've found that many of these reports have been inaccurate'

Console cheating is uncommon, yet the platform takes the brunt of the blame from players.

www.pcgamer.com

 

[DeepEnigma]

Neither.

Arc Raiders is definitely the better looking of the two. Marathon looks atrocious to me.

Edit : found it, it's "Forever Winter"

Now this looks fire atmosphere wise.

 

[Black_Stride]

Voted Arc but only because im hoping they will listen to all the complaints and introduce a PvE only server so we can actually play the announce trailer.

In truth I dont much care for a new extraction shooter, so while both a pure extraction shooters im unlikely to jump on either.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Some new images here. Large scale robots seem to be confirmed here...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArcRaiders/s/q2AOJeOrTx

Marathon is so f***ed.

 

[Dalbajobas]

Some new images here. Large scale robots seem to be confirmed here...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArcRaiders/s/q2AOJeOrTx

Marathon is so f***ed.

This is exactly how I imagine next generations destiny 3 to look like.

 

[Luipadre]

Yeah at this point everything looks more appealing than marathon lol. Both arc raiders and that Hunger game looks much better

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Even if Marathon and ARC have the exact same gameplay, ARC looks 10x better. The gritty sci-fi look blows past Marathon's neon colour + ultra drab environmental art.

 

[AJUMP23]

Arc raiders looks cool.

 

[Johnny Concrete]

I expect ARC Raiders to be completely different than Marathon to the point where they are not comparable.
It's like comparing GT7 to a Forza Horizon.

ARC Raiders seems to be much more going for the 'stealth shooter' approach where you fill your backpack, hear people coming into your building, hide in a corner to surprise them.
While Marathon is a 'wham-bam-thank you ma'm shooter'. You see people, you engage and you blast away until you are back in the lobby.

Both have their appeal to me.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Just watched 5.5 hours of gameplay from the Oct 2024 ARC Raiders Play Test and the map design...

We are witness to the rise of something special.

 

[Ribi]

Arc looks miles better and is far more interesting

 

[Johnny Concrete]

Just watched 5.5 hours of gameplay from the Oct 2024 ARC Raiders Play Test and the map design...

We are witness to the rise of something special.

How are the AI enemies? I read something about them being trained with machine learning so they behave somewhat intelligent.
Like when they can't get to players, they start to look for ways into a building and such.

Any sign of that?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

How are the AI enemies? I read something about them being trained with machine learning so they behave somewhat intelligent.
Like when they can't get to players, they start to look for ways into a building and such.

Any sign of that?

They seem to have stopped talking about machine learning since the game pivoted to become an Extraction Shooter.

It's possible some of that stuff found It's way in with robot animations, but I doubt we're going to have some revolutionary AI intelligence in the game.

That said, the PvE enemies in ARC Raiders look noticeably better than what we've seen in Marathon up to this point imo. We'll see the latest build in a couple of days.

 

[clarky]

They seem to have stopped talk about machine learning since the game pivoted to become an Extraction Shooter.

It's possible some of that stuff found It's way in with robot animations, but I doubt we're going to have some revolutionary AI intelligence in the game.

That said, the PvE enemies in ARC Raiders look noticeably better than what we've seen in Marathon up to this point imo. We'll see the latest build in a couple of days.

I think there are a few playing it right now, but yeah the next test starts on the 30th for mortals.

 

[Johnny Concrete]

They seem to have stopped talking about machine learning since the game pivoted to become an Extraction Shooter.

It's possible some of that stuff found It's way in with robot animations, but I doubt we're going to have some revolutionary AI intelligence in the game.

That said, the PvE enemies in ARC Raiders look noticeably better than what we've seen in Marathon up to this point imo. We'll see the latest build in a couple of days.

I remember seeing some leaked alpha footage where a player was chased by a pretty big spider robot and he hid in a building. The robot then tried to get a line of sight of the player by peaking the doorway and when that failed he climbed the roof and started to remove panels to be able to shoot the player.

I did not dream this by the way

So I kind of hoped some of that makes it in the final game, that would be scary cool.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I remember seeing some leaked alpha footage where a player was chased by a pretty big spider robot and he hid in a building. The robot then tried to get a line of sight of the player by peaking the doorway and when that failed he climbed the roof and started to remove panels to be able to shoot the player.

I did not dream this by the way

So I kind of hoped some of that makes it in the final game, that would be scary cool.

Lol, I know exactly the video you're referring to and it's the one thing that made me think the AI machine learning might still be in the game. It did look Extraction Shootery.

I watched a lot of videos from the October playtest and the AI seemed much more "standard" than that video we both remember.

 

[Hideous Snake]

 

[Luipadre]

So when they gonna send out the invites for arc?

 

[cormack12]

I'll play the open beta for both, the genre isn't really my jam but I can tell Arc would be better suited to me personally.