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Mario 128 - Gamecube or Revolution?
- Thread starter SantaC
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That would be great. My main concern for wanting Mario 128 on the GC is the fact that Nintendo has been unable to push a decent platfformer for the platfform yet. Of course there is DK:JB but that doesn't count since it's like GC's Klonoa 2 
What I am wanting is GC's Sly Racoon
And that could be whatever franchise they choose to put on the GC.
However if it has to be a Yoshi game then I will contradict myself asking this to be another 2.5D title.
What I am wanting is GC's Sly Racoon
And that could be whatever franchise they choose to put on the GC.However if it has to be a Yoshi game then I will contradict myself asking this to be another 2.5D title.
The Abominable Snowman said:
I think Zelda may do really well in the US. It's hard to tell. I thought PSP'd sell a million for this next month's NPD and look what happened. :| In Japan and Europe, it's probably gonna flop.
We just started taking Kingdom Hearts II preoders for a December release. That should be huge.
SantaCruZer said:
image? kind of like how DS is lika a pinata on this forum? I think it's only GAF. I'm sure most gamers will embrace a new mario if all his extracurriculur activities hasn't thrown them off.
What I think is most amazing is that short of Wario and Mario, there isn't really any other nintendo franchise character this gen in a 3d platformer (DKJB doesn't count). At least with N64, you had Donkey Kong.
mas9055 said:
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The Abominable Snowman
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I was referring mainly to the X360 and whatever Sony may have in their grasp. I think the X360 will have a decent bite out of the Zelda hype, even if it is a system launch.Li Mu Bai said:
And the Gamecube has a really dry schedule this year. I'd not be surprised if retailers even fail to give it enough shelf space to sell exceedingly well and give the GC that booster in the arm it needs.
The Abominable Snowman said:
Not give the LOZ shelf space? Retailers are certainly not fools. A dry year as in comparison to what other year? I would consider this their best year as far as catering to their own userbase, as well as what the system is getting as far as diversity & quality from 3rd parties:
Far Cry: Instincts
Starcraft: Ghost
SC:CT
Killer 7
VJ: VFX Fighter
Spartan: Total Warrior
RE:4
WWE
OR2NFS:MW
Shadow the Hedgehog
POP:III
James Bond: From Russia with Love
Etc, etc. Catering to their own userbase would be the Nintendo developed/published titles I listed earlier. Zelda will not have any problems acheiving shelf-space, I can assure you. You bring up the XBX 360 as stealing some of Zelda's thunder, similar to how the PSP & DS could steal some of its thunder conversely correct? A highly anticipated, high profile franchise title will always sell. If the PS3 had launched last holiday season, Halo would've still sold into the millions imo. I'm certainly not saying that the Cube's 3rd party support is a shadow of what the PS2's & XBX's is, but enough quality titles are still coming out for the platform to complement what Nintendo is developing/publishing imo so as not to label it as "dead console." The GC will continue to move software, esp. 1st party. 2006 is another story however, as I believe it will be primarily Nintendo supported by then.
ImNotLikeThem
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it doesn't matter how much you laugh though, Sonic still sells tons, especially on GC.goodcow said:
ImNotLikeThem said:
Yes & ridiculous as it may sound, some of us actually play games before passing premature judgments on them. But the thought of a Sonic character packing heat is indeed laughable. :lol Doesn't mean the game won't be enjoyable though, despite the ridiculous concept.
Odnetnin said:
You're right Odnetnin, my apologies mas9055. Also goodcow, why are you compairing Sonic:Heroes to Shadow? I have played Heroes, & thoroughly disliked it. I have not however played Shadow. A developer simply cannot be pidgeon-holed in this way. As an example I played & detested RE:0, but RE:4 is currently my GOTY.
I almost think that Nintendo should release Revolution with completely new games and try to make the next big thing. That would help them reach new markets and gain marketshare. Make a new character that could be the next Mario. It will be new and fresh, and kids will want to see cartoons with the character and all that crap. They've already done the right kind of character with Wario on GBA, but that's not new enough. Such a character could do wonders for their image if it's universally appealing, though I think they should focus on doing a lot more catering to older markets.
If they do launch with Mario, it should be like Mario 64 in the sense that it will be a new way to play as Mario; something everyone can play.
If they do launch with Mario, it should be like Mario 64 in the sense that it will be a new way to play as Mario; something everyone can play.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
KyotoMecca said:
Why not share with us MrMecca?
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
"You know, some people could be surprised when they hear about some things that are EXPECTED at E3 that actually get PULLED."
Hmm, if that's the case then I guess it must be Revolution. I mean, Reggie seemed pretty damn certain we'd see it on video for one or the other back at GDC, so the only reason I can see it being pulled is if recent reports on Nintendo changing their minds about how much to show is true.
Hmm, if that's the case then I guess it must be Revolution. I mean, Reggie seemed pretty damn certain we'd see it on video for one or the other back at GDC, so the only reason I can see it being pulled is if recent reports on Nintendo changing their minds about how much to show is true.
The Abominable Snowman
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You'd be wrong luciverse.Society said:
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Really? I thought the answer was some people are unimpressed with the DS and see the Revolution as just a home version of that.
The Abominable Snowman
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Li Mu Bai said:Not give the LOZ shelf space? Retailers are certainly not fools. A dry year as in comparison to what other year? I would consider this their best year as far as catering to their own userbase, as well as what the system is getting as far as diversity & quality from 3rd parties:
Far Cry: Instincts
Starcraft: Ghost
SC:CT
Killer 7
VJ: VFX Fighter
Spartan: Total Warrior
RE:4
WWE
NFS:MW
Shadow the Hedgehog
POP:III
James Bond: From Russia with Love
Etc, etc. Catering to their own userbase would be the Nintendo developed/published titles I listed earlier. Zelda will not have any problems acheiving shelf-space, I can assure you. You bring up the XBX 360 as stealing some of Zelda's thunder, similar to how the PSP & DS could steal some of its thunder conversely correct? A highly anticipated, high profile franchise title will always sell. If the PS3 had launched last holiday season, Halo would've still sold into the millions imo. I'm certainly not saying that the Cube's 3rd party support is a shadow of what the PS2's & XBX's is, but enough quality titles are still coming out for the platform to complement what Nintendo is developing/publishing imo so as not to label it as "dead console." The GC will continue to move software, esp. 1st party. 2006 is another story however, as I believe it will be primarily Nintendo supported by then.
You consider those titles to be grand, which is great and all, but of all those titles I could only see Shadow having a chance at being the best selling version on the GC. The rest will likely not sell that well, especially considering the option for the PS2 and Xbox versions of those games. RE4 likely will be the best selling GC 3rd party game this year. Comparing those lists to the ones of the Xbox and PS2 is kind of rediculous, with the Xbox and PS2 having over 100 titles for this year, and the GC less than half of that.
Your optimism is nice, but if the GC's share does not get a jolt somehow through the year, I doubt retailers are going to go out of their way to stock more GC software and hardware when basically all other hardwares are doing great aside from the GC. I would not even be surprised to see that list halved by cancellations.
Aside from Zelda, the porential for huge games sales even from 1st party seems small. If Star Fox, RE4, and Donkey Kong struggle to get near 500K units, why would Fire Emblem or their Advance War GC title sell very well? Retailers will look at that as well. At the end of the year, unless the GC further drops price, it will be among other sub-100 dollar consoles with a larger lineup of games, sales-wise and quantity-wise. Nintendo will have to pull out all the stops to find shelf space.
There are a lot of hyped and anticipated games on course for the end of the year. Sadly, I think The Godfather will be among the highest selling, if not the highest selling, non-sports game of the year, unless it ends up being a complete turd (But even then, there's still intuition telling me that it'll be the top. Hello The Matrix!). The Godfather isn't announced for the GC, either.
The Abominable Snowman said:
Here's the problem with your arguement. You can't decide what it is you're arguing.
Firstly, and I do agree with you on this point, that gamers are more likely to pick up the third-party titles on the PS2/Xbox than the Cube. I agree.
But, that's not what you're debating.
You're debating that retailers won't give shelf space/keep stock of the Cube. This I disagree with. You are assuming that everyone already owns a videogame console. That's just wrong. Realistic Zelda will move systems. There are alot of people/families that buy this gen's consoles when the next gen is about to begin. Zelda, if it's as good as everyone hopes, could pull in some potentially major sales. Especially if the Cube hardware drops to about $50. And, if the rumours are true, the GBA2 playing Cube games, and the confirmed backwards compatibilty with the Revolution, as well as the GBA Player, could make the decision alot easier for these late adopters.
The only point I'm trying to make is that nobody knows what can happen in this industry. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
The Abominable Snowman
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All of those things in my previous post affect the retailers' decision whether or not to stock the GC relative to the 6 other hardware systems doing well, and their software also selling well (Aside maybe GBA. Software sales on it are not BAD per se, but underwhelming to some all things considered). There's a glut of huge titles positioned for later this year circa Zelda's time, and we do not know all of the titles planned for that time frame yet.
Aside from a price drop, there's not really much pushing GC momentum. It'll have a drop-off from last year, when there were a few more good GC titles and planning. And even then, it was a drop from the previous year.
And my argument wasn't wholly centered around retailers not stocking on it. The retailers simply will not focus on the GC long enough for it to sell as well as so many are anticipating, and neither is this Zelda's anticipation level that high.
I just don't expect retailers to make that much of Zelda, but I would like to be pleasantly surprised. Retailers were wrong about GC sales december 2003 as well.
Aside from a price drop, there's not really much pushing GC momentum. It'll have a drop-off from last year, when there were a few more good GC titles and planning. And even then, it was a drop from the previous year.
And my argument wasn't wholly centered around retailers not stocking on it. The retailers simply will not focus on the GC long enough for it to sell as well as so many are anticipating, and neither is this Zelda's anticipation level that high.
I just don't expect retailers to make that much of Zelda, but I would like to be pleasantly surprised. Retailers were wrong about GC sales december 2003 as well.
WrathOfOtaibah
Banned
Perhaps it will come out for GC but have special lockouts for Revolution? Like lets say 100 stars (if they are going that route again) for GC and when you play Revolution, you have access to 50 stars. I can definitely see Nintendo doing this. This way they can have the GC have enough momentum to last until the Revolution and Revolution can have exclusive Mario platforming content right off the bat.
The Abominable Snowman said:
What you fail to understand, it doesn't matter what supposed "glut" of huge titles are positioned for release during the same time period, Zelda will sell no matter what is released. 2004 saw software increases for various quarters vs. the previous year, beginning with FF:CC's, Sonic:Heroes, Pokemon:Colosseum, & PM:TTYD also released & various titles like WW dropped to PC. So you're indeed wrong. The ad campaign, TV, movie, & print media blitz will force retailers to take notice. Nintendo may not push many of its titles effectively, but Zelda is certainly not one of them. If there's a GC price drop to $79.99, (which is rumored) then all the better. Rest assured you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Kirby, Mario Baseball, & yet another Pokemon rpg. are releasing this year as well. Will they not sell as their predecessors did? (excluding Mario Baseball) Could it be that Star Fox was simply a poor game & that Nintendo's fanbase doesn't buy simply because it is an exclusive? Did Capcom kill potential sales by announcing a port prematurely? Regardless, it's too early to predict what Starfox's end sales will ultimately be, so this is moot. DK:JB isn't exactly a mainstream title, (requiring a peripheral) I still expect it to sell decently. I regarded those titles I listed as good to possibly great complementary 3rd party titles. Not "grand," nice subtle troll there. A few of those I listed were GC exclusives, so that tells me your knowledge regarding its library upfront. If you read carefully, you would've seen this statement before commenting on the superior flood of 100 titles coming to the XBX & PS2:
The Abominable Snowman
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Of course they saw an increase of software sales. With hardware still selling, and coming off of a great year as far as Gamecube sales go, Software will of course have some very nice gains. It's inevetable. As long as a system is alive, software sales steadily increase.Li Mu Bai said:
Zelda will sell. It looks liely so far that it'll top one million, but I doubt many would give it the chance to outsell The WindWaker. Media Blitz does not equal sales, as we've been reminded time and time again. Like the Xbox before it, the Gamecube has hit a slow period, and software and hardware sales will slow (Except this one is a bit more extended). It'll take a few major titles to make it climb, like the Xbox did. The Xbox had a steady stream of appealing titles, and, because of that stream of hits, even climbed over the PS2 in sales for certain months. We can only hope that some of these titles aside Zelda will give the GC a boost. One troop won't conquer a city, no matter the quality.
I think the Pokemon RPG, if it is indeed not a rumor or half-baked like PokeMon RPG, could sell well. I doubt the other two will be given that much of a second glance, however.
As a few Nintendo-published good games have proved: Media, quality and name brand have little pull on the public's view of a title in many cases. Twin Snakes, Jungle Beat, Star foxes, and Eternal Darkness have proven such.
And, with Killer 7 and VFX Fighter being announced and confirmed for the PS2, I believe the only exclusive is WWE Day of Reckoning 2. I don't think those GC versions will be much of anything to include to help your argument.
WordAssassin
Member
The Abominable Snowman said:
Pokemon DX isn't a rumor, they've released screens of it already. Like, two, and in a magazine, but they're out there. Reggie also confirmed XD is a full blown RPG for the GameCube.
With the GCN at 79.99 and a full-on Pokemon RPG released I can't see it NOT moving systems. Over two million Moms and Dads had to buy little Timmy a $100 Gameboy to play Pokemon R/S.
Also, the marketing on Star Fox, DK Jungle Beat, Eternal Darkness? Uh, WHAT marketing? In order for a game to sell people need to know about it. I NEVER saw an Eternal Darkness ad. I NEVER saw a Star Fox ad. I NEVER saw a Twin Snakes ad. I saw the DKJB ad like twice, but it doesn't display the unique way the game is played.
It's really Nintendo's fault that these games didn't sell because there was NO marketing push behind them. This will NOT be the case for Zelda and Pokemon XD and Mario Baseball. Maybe for Kirby, but then, we know less than we do about Kirby than Pokemon XD.
Lastly, VFX Fighter isn't going to be on PS2. It's a four player game. It was confirmed for GCN and PSP. Which means if people want to play it they're either going to shell out $200+ for a PSP and then $50 for the game, or $130 for a GCN and the game.
Call MS & tell them that regarding both Halo/Halo 2.
I saw one poorly done ED commercial which always aired after 10pm. MGS:TTS? I saw yet another horribly done "Who Are You" commercial with a kid in a psychologist's office, the gameplay being non-existant save a second or two. This aired a month or two after the game was initially released as well. DK:JB? I've never seen that one. The point is, none of these have had a major marketing push, no pre-movie previews, consistent advertising, etc. You need to redefine your definition of media blitz. I saw Halo commercials a full year+ after it had intially released. You're also forgetting one important aspect behind the LOZ: Hype. Btw, the original SFA is at 800k iirc.
WordAssasin has corrected you on the other software aspects, thereby saving me the trouble.