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Marvel going street level w/ Netflix (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist)

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NotTheGuyYouKill

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Busty said:
Nope. Absolutely not. No way that's even remotely going to happen.

This is a Marvel show. Marvel is a Disney brand. Do you really think that Disney would allow a brand like Frozen to have some kind of Game Of Thrones esque prequel on HBO filled with nudity and slashed throats? Of course not.

I realise that's an extreme example but it's still apt as it illustrates just how seriously Disney takes all their branding. And Marvel is currently crushing it for them. There is literally no way that they would have one part of their (impressively) interconnected universe be anything like an 'FX show'.

It's a family brand. And these shows might have some more 'mature' story lines but they will be family entertainment at the end of the day.

I would go as far as to say that none of the Marvel Netflix shows will be any darker or grittier in tone than The Winter Soldier was, at most.



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But who is Matt Murdock without his wallowing in piles of dead girlfriends
 
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Wiktor

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Busty said:
I would go as far as to say that none of the Marvel Netflix shows will be any darker or grittier in tone than The Winter Soldier was, at most.
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This is propably true, which is why we'll never get proper Punisher or Blade out of Marvel
 
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richiek

steals Justin Bieber DVDs
Busty said:
I would go as far as to say that none of the Marvel Netflix shows will be any darker or grittier in tone than The Winter Soldier was, at most.
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Agents of SHIELD had some pretty graphic and gory scenes compared to the films.

People burned to a crisp, Skye shot in the gut and bleeding out, symbols carved into a woman's body, graphic surgery and dissection.
 
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Neoxon

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richiek said:
Agents of SHIELD had some pretty graphic and gory scenes compared to the films.

People burned to a crisp, Skye shot in the gut and bleeding out, symbols carved into a woman's body, graphic surgery and dissection.
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This, SHIELD got pretty violent at times. Don't be surprised if Daredevil takes it slightly further.
 
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dabig2

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AoS literally had Aaron Pierce get his rib ripped out and then stabbed to death with it. Violence should be okay on this show comparatively. We're not going to see The Wire/Sopranos/Boardwalk style death scenes (brutal, visceral, and lingering shots of bullets wrecking people's bodies for example), but I think it will do just fine to show off the violent world of the streets.
 
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SketchTheArtist

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dabig2 said:
AoS literally had Aaron Pierce get his rib ripped out and then stabbed to death with it. Violence should be okay on this show comparatively. We're not going to see The Wire/Sopranos/Boardwalk style death scenes (brutal, visceral, and lingering shots of bullets wrecking people's bodies for example), but I think it will do just fine to show off the violent world of the streets.
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Well, if you're really talented, you can do something more subtle that may have more impact than a gratuitous shot of slow-motion violence. Breaking Bad was a perfect example of tastefully-done violence sequences that stayed with you a long time because how powerful they can make it with editing, composition, music, acting and symbolism (remember that episode with a kid being cut up in pieces, stripped and put in a barrel of acid to ship overseas to get buried? Just by implying it with his bike. Genius).

I just hope they don't go cheap with the violence.
 
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Can Crusher

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NotTheGuyYouKill said:
What would make him Hannibal-esque...?

Fetishy, artsy slo-mo weapons loading and lengthy diatribes about the nature of the relationship between man and God?
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Daredevil is one bad day away from being The Punisher doesn't ring any bells?

The Punisher is a character that for all intents and purposes can make Daredevil question his own moral compass (Will and Hannibal). Never mind that Daredevil is a lawyer by day, which can bring about a very exciting relationship should he choose to represent Frank castle post arrest...

A fully realized Punisher can't be just about gun violence. Make him cunning, intelligent, manipulative. Bring him in when Daredevil is still developing as a "hero", throw him for a loop.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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Can Crusher said:
Daredevil is one bad day away from being The Punisher doesn't ring any bells?

The Punisher is a character that for all intents and purposes can make Daredevil question his own moral compass (Will and Hannibal). Never mind that Daredevil is a lawyer by day, which can bring about a very exciting relationship should he choose to represent Frank castle post arrest...

A fully realized Punisher can't be just about gun violence. Make him cunning, intelligent, manipulative. Bring him in when Daredevil is still developing as a "hero", throw him for a loop.
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I know. I was making a joke.

I live, eat, and breathe Frank Castle. This is the exact take I was imagining as well.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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Man, I'm imagining a Daredevil/Punisher series that's shot and depicted like Will Graham/Hannibal Lecter.

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mreddie

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Busty said:
Nope. Absolutely not. No way that's even remotely going to happen.

This is a Marvel show. Marvel is a Disney brand. Do you really think that Disney would allow a brand like Frozen to have some kind of Game Of Thrones esque prequel on HBO filled with nudity and slashed throats? Of course not.

I realise that's an extreme example but it's still apt as it illustrates just how seriously Disney takes all their branding. And Marvel is currently crushing it for them. There is literally no way that they would have one part of their (impressively) interconnected universe be anything like an 'FX show'.

It's a family brand. And these shows might have some more 'mature' story lines but they will be family entertainment at the end of the day.

I would go as far as to say that none of the Marvel Netflix shows will be any darker or grittier in tone than The Winter Soldier was, at most.
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Likely, but until we see the first episode, anything goes.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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I can't remember any titles off the top of my head, but there's a few issues where you get the feeling that Matt Murdock and Frank Castle could have been great friends in another life. If they can have a bit of that in their relationship, that'd be great.
 
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odiin

My Apartment, or the 120 Screenings of Salo
Busty said:
Nope. Absolutely not. No way that's even remotely going to happen.

This is a Marvel show. Marvel is a Disney brand. Do you really think that Disney would allow a brand like Frozen to have some kind of Game Of Thrones esque prequel on HBO filled with nudity and slashed throats? Of course not.

I realise that's an extreme example but it's still apt as it illustrates just how seriously Disney takes all their branding. And Marvel is currently crushing it for them. There is literally no way that they would have one part of their (impressively) interconnected universe be anything like an 'FX show'.

It's a family brand. And these shows might have some more 'mature' story lines but they will be family entertainment at the end of the day.

I would go as far as to say that none of the Marvel Netflix shows will be any darker or grittier in tone than The Winter Soldier was, at most.



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Pirates 3 opened with little children being hanged to death on-screen.
 
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FeD.nL

Member
Busty said:
Nope. Absolutely not. No way that's even remotely going to happen.

This is a Marvel show. Marvel is a Disney brand. Do you really think that Disney would allow a brand like Frozen to have some kind of Game Of Thrones esque prequel on HBO filled with nudity and slashed throats? Of course not.

I realise that's an extreme example but it's still apt as it illustrates just how seriously Disney takes all their branding. And Marvel is currently crushing it for them. There is literally no way that they would have one part of their (impressively) interconnected universe be anything like an 'FX show'.

It's a family brand. And these shows might have some more 'mature' story lines but they will be family entertainment at the end of the day.

I would go as far as to say that none of the Marvel Netflix shows will be any darker or grittier in tone than The Winter Soldier was, at most.



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Well Disney does put a lot of effort in splitting the brands to prevent brand fatigue. Marvel is still seen as its own thing in the eyes of the general public the same way that Star Wars will be seen as well.
 
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BobbyRobby

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Everything they've said so far sounds good. Looking forward to this almost as much as Avengers.

super-famicom said:
Having read 500+ issues of Daredevil last week (thanks Marvel Unlimited), I'm excited about all this news.
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hell yeah. I've read about a hundred in the last month and I thought that was excessive.
 
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diaspora

Member
Busty said:
Nope. Absolutely not. No way that's even remotely going to happen.

This is a Marvel show. Marvel is a Disney brand. Do you really think that Disney would allow a brand like Frozen to have some kind of Game Of Thrones esque prequel on HBO filled with nudity and slashed throats? Of course not.

I realise that's an extreme example but it's still apt as it illustrates just how seriously Disney takes all their branding. And Marvel is currently crushing it for them. There is literally no way that they would have one part of their (impressively) interconnected universe be anything like an 'FX show'.

It's a family brand. And these shows might have some more 'mature' story lines but they will be family entertainment at the end of the day.

I would go as far as to say that none of the Marvel Netflix shows will be any darker or grittier in tone than The Winter Soldier was, at most.



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You shitting me? A guy carved symbols into peoples bodies with a knife in AoS.
 
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Big_Al

Unconfirmed Member
Busty said:
Nope. Absolutely not. No way that's even remotely going to happen.

This is a Marvel show. Marvel is a Disney brand. Do you really think that Disney would allow a brand like Frozen to have some kind of Game Of Thrones esque prequel on HBO filled with nudity and slashed throats? Of course not.

I realise that's an extreme example but it's still apt as it illustrates just how seriously Disney takes all their branding. And Marvel is currently crushing it for them. There is literally no way that they would have one part of their (impressively) interconnected universe be anything like an 'FX show'.

It's a family brand. And these shows might have some more 'mature' story lines but they will be family entertainment at the end of the day.

I would go as far as to say that none of the Marvel Netflix shows will be any darker or grittier in tone than The Winter Soldier was, at most.



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I hope that doesn't destroy any of my dreams of a proper Punisher film or tv series :( I'd love a proper Punisher MAX tv series/film written by Garth Ennis.
 
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Jest Chillin

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diaspora said:
You shitting me? A guy carved symbols into peoples bodies with a knife in AoS.
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Not to mention a guy burned to death on screen in S1 and in S2 a pretty dark and
surgery scene
in particular. And that's on ABC, which is network TV.

Disney doesn't have to baby Star Wars or Marvel stuff. I mean, I doubt they'll go with Hard R rated content but they're not going to force stuff to be PG when it's not mainline Disney branded.
 
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Sheroking

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More that POTC being darker and edgier was fucking ridiculous given who the target audience was. What a shitty franchise.
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Darker and edgier... I mean, I don't really think it did. There were heavy tones in the second two movies, but the first movie (which I think most people agree is good), had hanging desecrated corpses, a town being butchered by skeleton pirates, throats being cut, etc. The levity of Jack's character always hid the fact that Pirates was always a hard PG-13 franchise.

You want to know which franchise got darker and edgier? Harry Potter. Kids being in internment camps, main characters being tortured, on the run from racist wizards, his pet owl getting killed, Dobby the house elf getting stabbed in the heart, a hallway lined with the bodies of dead friends and children, etc. That film franchise opened with whimsical Roald Dahl feel.

Jest Chillin said:
Not to mention a guy burned to death on screen in S1 and in S2 a pretty dark and
surgery scene
in particular. And that's on ABC, which is network TV.

Disney doesn't have to baby Star Wars or Marvel stuff. I mean, I doubt they'll go with Hard R rated content but they're not going to force stuff to be PG when it's not mainline Disney branded.
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Disney is not a hard G company anymore. I have no doubt they can and will take risks on Marvel content, especially as it relates to stuff that's got a degree of separation from the movies.
 
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Bleepey

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Zeus Molecules said:
yeah and the hair cut they chose alongside that hairline doesn't help..... Maybe Daredevil will be the first male pattern baldness hero that people deserve?
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Paste: I talked with George Mastras about Breaking Bad, and he said something that could also apply to working on Daredevil—Every time the character wins, he also has to lose a little bit. When you’re handling a superhero, how do you think about his arc?
DeKnight: With this version of Daredevil, we wanted it to be grounded, gritty, as realistic as we could portray. That naturally fits in with the Daredevil character. Matt Murdock, on a regular basis, would get the shit beat out of him. That’s one thing that makes him a great character. He’s not super strong. He’s not invulnerable. In every aspect, he’s a man that’s just pushed himself to the limits, he just has senses that are better than a normal humans. He is human. The other thing that really drew me to this character is that he’s one of the most morally grey of the heroes.

Paste: How so?
DeKnight: He’s a lawyer by day, and he’s taken this oath. But every night he breaks that oath, and goes out and does very violent things. The image that always stuck in my mind was the Frank Miller Elektra run where he’s holding Bullseye over the street, and he lets Bullseye go because he doesn’t want Bullseye to ever kill anyone again. When I read that originally, when I was young, I’d never seen anything like that in comics. Superman scoops up the villain and puts them in jail. This time the hero didn’t do that. It was a morally grey ground that I found absolutely fascinating. There are two sides to this character. He’s literally one bad day away from becoming the The Punisher! Frank Castle went just a little bit further than he did. Daredevil has no qualms about beating the hell out of somebody. He’s not going to tie them up with his webs! He’ll come close to killing somebody. And it’s that fine edge—Why doesn’t he go all the way? I really liked the flawed heroes, the human heroes.
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Paste: I love that the show is on the Netflix platform. With Spartacus, towards the end of the series, you had a lot of artistic freedom. Will you still have that freedom?
DeKnight: Netflix has been fantastic. They are phenomenally supportive of the creatives. How much freedom will I have? This is a bit of a different scenario because it’s a Marvel property. Once you have an IP like that, there are restrictions that you have to accept. I’m fine with that, I totally understand. I’ll push it as far as I can, of course, but I also respect the fact that this character has been around for decades. Overall I’ve been surprised at how willing everyone is to take a really fresh look and really push what we’re doing.
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http://www.pastemagazine.com/articl...p-with-daredevil-showrunner-steven-s-dek.html
 
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Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Yeah, the all red pajamas would probably look really, really bad in real life. The film tried to work around it by making it leather-like, and it didn't quite work out.
 
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richiek

steals Justin Bieber DVDs
animlboogy said:
I dunno why a few of you are so convinced this won't have fairly graphic violence. Have you read any Marvel comics? Even Spider-Man has its fair share of slashed throats and people being graphically beaten to death. A few years back the Sentry literally tore Ares in half in a Marvel book.

And Agents of SHIELD already has some fairly graphic moments compared to the movies so far. As a network television show.
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TV has been pushing the envelope in terms of graphic violence compared to film, which tries to attract the widest audience possible with PG 13. I call it "the CSI effect".
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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Given DeKnight's previous mentions of the Punisher, I am 100% certain that they will introduce Frank Castle into the DD series at some point.

Though if this show turns out to be good, it's gonna suck having to wait 2-4 years for another series.

It'd be rad if they adapted The Devil in Cell Block D arc. Daredevil, Bullseye, Punisher, and Fisk all rotting in prison together, and then everything goes to hell.

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Edit: For reals, I love the Daredevil Netflix poster:

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Bleepey

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NotTheGuyYouKill said:
Given DeKnight's previous mentions of the Punisher, I am 100% certain that they will introduce Frank Castle into the DD series at some point.

Though if this show turns out to be good, it's gonna suck having to wait 2-4 years for another series.

It'd be rad if they adapted The Devil in Cell Block D arc. Daredevil, Bullseye, Punisher, and Fisk all rotting in prison together, and then everything goes to hell.



Edit: For reals, I love the Daredevil Netflix poster:

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Am I too picky if I want him wearing white trainers?
 
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