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Marvel going street level w/ Netflix (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist)

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kirblar

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Dalek said:
Do we know if Jessica Jones shows up on Datedevil first?
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DD just wrapped S1 filming, and Ritter was only announced a week ago, she won't show up. Doesn't have a strong narrative connection to him, although he might appear in her series as a client.
 
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BrokenFiction

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kirblar said:
DD just wrapped S1 filming, and Ritter was only announced a week ago, she won't show up. Doesn't have a strong narrative connection to him, although he might appear in her series as a client.
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This feels more likely. DD and Luke Cage show up in JJ. Then all three are in the Luke Cage show where they intro Iron Fist, then Iron Fist goes balls to the wall awesome with everyone in it.
 
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kirblar

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Iron Fist is going to be the interesting one casting-wise, since going w/ an Asian-American actor/background for the character would smooth out a lot of the awkward edges of the character.
 
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Slayven

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kirblar said:
DD just wrapped S1 filming, and Ritter was only announced a week ago, she won't show up. Doesn't have a strong narrative connection to him, although he might appear in her series as a client.
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Well she got to appear with him in a flashback since they share the same origin.
 
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chronos86

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kirblar said:
Iron Fist is going to be the interesting one casting-wise, since going w/ an Asian-American actor/background for the character would smooth out a lot of the awkward edges of the character.
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they'll cast an asian American as danny rand for the show then in the comics to be more similar to the mcu it will be revealed iron fist was Asian all-along somehow someway.
 
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Slayven

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People that want Ironfist to be asian pretty much haven't read Ironfist, especially the Immortal Weapons series.


And they shitting on Shang Chi
 
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Sinatar

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They didn't announce an asian american was going to be Danny Rand, but there were some asian actors who were pushing for it back when the show was announced.

99% chance Danny Rand will be white, same as the comics.
 
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Funky Papa

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The beauty about Iron Fist is that he's complete stranger brought up in a mystical place traditionally reserved for Asians. People mock him and think less of him because he's a foreigner, at least until he proves his worth.

Also, pretty much all the previous Iron Fists were Asians. Danny Rand is arguably the less badass of the bunch going by the Immortal Weapons series.
 
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Slayven

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Funky Papa said:
The beauty about Iron Fist is that he's complete stranger brought up in a mystical place traditionally reserved for Asians. People mock him and think less of him because he's a foreigner, at least until he proves his worth.

Also, pretty much all the previous Iron Fists were Asians. Danny Rand is arguably the less badass of the bunch going by the Immortal Weapons series.
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Not everybody can be the Prince of Orphans.
 
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kirblar

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Funky Papa said:
The beauty about Iron Fist is that he's complete stranger brought up in a mystical place traditionally reserved for Asians. People mock him and think less of him because he's a foreigner, at least until he proves his worth.

Also, pretty much all the previous Iron Fists were Asians. Danny Rand is arguably the less badass of the bunch going by the Immortal Weapons series.
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You can translate that into him being culturally American and retain it that way. It's not confirmed or denied, but lol @ the freakout. It's just something that's been floated and would make sense in a way that doesn't make sense for other characters. (Asian American male roles in Hollywood are near-non-existant.)
 
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Funky Papa

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kirblar said:
You can translate that into him being culturally American and retain it that way. It's not confirmed or denied, but lol @ the freakout. It's just something that's been floated and would make sense in a way that doesn't make sense for other characters. (Asian American male roles in Hollywood are near-non-existant.)
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Not really. I mean, it would work storywise, but Rand being white drives the awkwardness home. He's Wonder Bread White Boy in Mystical Asian Country. He sticks out like a sore thumb. He turns the heads of the good people of K'un-lun wherever he passes*.

That doesn't mean that there can't be an Asian Iron Fist. There are plenty of past ones to pick and Marvel would be very, very wise to explore them. Bei-Ming Tian and Bei Bang-Wen were real badasses.

Slayven said:
You can always be Dog Brother Number One, or Turk from Daredevil.
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Fine, have those feels.

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I wouldn't be mad if they cast an Asian actor as Iron Fist, but if he had to be other than white, I'd rather have a Puerto Rican for funsies.
 
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GuitarAtomik

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I wouldn't be against them making that change, but Danny Rand being a white dude is not a problem at all in this case. He's the one white guy in a long line of Iron Fists, and he has to go through some shit to prove his worth because of that. Like you say, that would still work if he's an Asian-American, but there isn't any real need to make sure he's an Asian actor on-screen. If anything, I'd roll my eyes a little at the idea that the first Asian superhero in the MCU would be the martial arts guy...
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Not that I disagree with you, but considering the most likely candidate for first prominent Asian superhero in the MCU is Shang Chi, I don't know if that's better lol.
 
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odiin

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Funky Papa said:
The beauty about Iron Fist is that he's complete stranger brought up in a mystical place traditionally reserved for Asians. People mock him and think less of him because he's a foreigner, at least until he proves his worth.

Also, pretty much all the previous Iron Fists were Asians. Danny Rand is arguably the less badass of the bunch going by the Immortal Weapons series.
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Ah so he's like Doctor Strange, only he punches people with his fists instead of his mind? Really not to familiar with the character myself.
 
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BlackNMild2k1

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BrokenFiction said:
This feels more likely. DD and Luke Cage show up in JJ. Then all three are in the Luke Cage show where they intro Iron Fist, then Iron Fist goes balls to the wall awesome with everyone in it.
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I don't know if this was pointed out, but Luke Cage is the last of the 4 shows before The Defenders.

Daredevil, Aka Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Luck Cage, The Defenders.

I wouldn't be surprised if Luke Cage show is subtitled "Hero for Hire
and Iron Fist and JJ both show up in it. Luke will probably be in Iron Fist, just as he will be in JJ, and DD as his day time lawyer self will probably pop up in both JJ and LC at some point as well before they all come together in The Defenders.
 
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Funky Papa

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Ah so he's like Doctor Strange, only he punches people with his fists instead of his mind? Really not to familiar with the character myself.
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Iron Fist is just a title for the champion of the people of the secret country of K'un-L'un, which exists in its own realm. They get their powers from a strict training that begins at a very young age and by defeating a mystical dragon. After that they can use their chi to punch Hydra's fools into oblivion or defeat entire armies. Their dominion over their chi can also help them to temporally regrow severed limbs and heal neal fatal wounds through meditation.

There can only be an Iron Fist at the time; they either relinquish their powers so a new one can rise or (usually) get killed well before they turn 40. Danny Rand has beem the current Iron Fist for a while and the first to cheat death (well, Orson Randall kind of sneaked around, but he wasn't much of an Iron Fist at the time).

I suggest you to fund The Immortal Iron Fist series if you want to know more. It's an amazing read.
 
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MHWilliams

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Funky Papa said:
Iron Fist is just a title for the champion of the people of the secret country of K'un-L'un, which exists in its own realm. They get their powers from a strict training that begins at a very young age and by defeating a mystical dragon. After that they can use their chi to punch Hydra's fools into oblivion or defeat entire armies. Their dominion over their chi can also help them to temporally regrow severed limbs and heal neal fatal wounds through meditation.

There can only be an Iron Fist at the time; they either relinquish their powers so a new one can rise or (usually) get killed well before they turn 40. Danny Rand has beem the current Iron Fist for a while and the first to cheat death (well, Orson Randall kind of sneaked around, but he wasn't much of an Iron Fist at the time).

I suggest you to fund The Immortal Iron Fist series if you want to know more. It's an amazing read.
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The problem is when you remove Danny Rand from the comic history that we all know, he's a 100 percent straight version of the Hollywood's "White Savior" concept. (See also.) In fact, I think the legacy aspect introduced in Immortal is Fraction and Brubaker trying to fix this very problem. And since the Netflix show many not be able to lean on that history, Marvel may save itself some heartbreak and cast an Asian-American actor in the role.

I don't think he needs to be Asian, but I can certainly see why Marvel may cast an Asian actor in the role.

And Slayven is crazy if he thinks we're getting Shang Chi. You're more likely to get Jimmy Woo on Agents of SHIELD.
 
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Bleepey

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MHWilliams said:
The problem is when you remove Danny Rand from the comic history that we all know, he's a 100 percent straight version of the Hollywood's "White Savior" concept. (See also.) In fact, I think the legacy aspect introduced in Immortal is Fraction and Brubaker trying to fix this very problem. And since the Netflix show many not be able to lean on that history, Marvel may save itself some heartbreak and cast an Asian-American actor in the role.

I don't think he needs to be Asian, but I can certainly see why Marvel may cast an Asian actor in the role.

And Slayven is crazy if he thinks we're getting Shang Chi. You're more likely to get Jimmy Woo on Agents of SHIELD.
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Why wouldn't you get Shang Chi?
 
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I agree that they should cast Iron Fist as Asian or, ideally, white/asian mixed. Keep Wendell Rand a crazy white American businessman, but make Danny's mother a Chinese native (not someone from K'un L'un!) or even just a Chinese American. What makes Danny an outcast in K'un L'un isn't his race, but the fact that he's from a different dimension and a wildly different culture. I don't want some Last Nigga on Earth starring Tom Cruise bullshit.

I say all this is a fan of Iron Fist, especially Immortal Iron Fist/Immortal Weapons. Being white is not essential and is a holdover from the 70s placing a white hero in a role where it doesn't make sense. It would also be a hard sell, and more diversity is always nice. He doesn't have to have been raised in China or anything - he can still be a white bread American with a Chinese mom. That's my ideal setup and the character actually gains from it, I think. Especially because you don't have to deal with the (totally valid and inevitable) criticism of the world's best kung fu fighter being a white guy.
 
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NotTheGuyYouKill

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jackissocool said:
I agree that they should cast Iron Fist as Asian or, ideally, white/asian mixed. Keep Wendell Rand a crazy white American businessman, but make Danny's mother a Chinese native (not someone from K'un L'un!) or even just a Chinese American. What makes Danny an outcast in K'un L'un isn't his race, but the fact that he's from a different dimension and a wildly different culture. I don't want some Last Nigga on Earth starring Tom Cruise bullshit.

I say all this is a fan of Iron Fist, especially Immortal Iron Fist/Immortal Weapons. Being white is not essential and is a holdover from the 70s placing a white hero in a role where it doesn't make sense. It would also be a hard sell, and more diversity is always nice. He doesn't have to have been raised in China or anything - he can still be a white bread American with a Chinese mom. That's my ideal setup and the character actually gains from it, I think. Especially because you don't have to deal with the (totally valid and inevitable) criticism of the world's best kung fu fighte being a white guy.
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This would work best
 
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Slayven

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MHWilliams said:
The problem is when you remove Danny Rand from the comic history that we all know, he's a 100 percent straight version of the Hollywood's "White Savior" concept. (See also.) In fact, I think the legacy aspect introduced in Immortal is Fraction and Brubaker trying to fix this very problem. And since the Netflix show many not be able to lean on that history, Marvel may save itself some heartbreak and cast an Asian-American actor in the role.

I don't think he needs to be Asian, but I can certainly see why Marvel may cast an Asian actor in the role.

And Slayven is crazy if he thinks we're getting Shang Chi. You're more likely to get Jimmy Woo on Agents of SHIELD.
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I would hope Marvel's first Asian hero is Jimmy Woo.
Would be sad that the only in that Asians have is martial arts.

Get Amadues Cho up in this bitch.
 
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Nesotenso

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I would argue that Danny being a blonde blue eyed white guys is essential to the Iron Fist mythos. It also highlights the contrasts he has in the relationships in his life, with both his privileged position and the not so much when it comes to his friends.


My main issue with the whole thing is that the Iron Fist is a much better fit for the big screen than stuff like Strange or freaking Inhumans.
 
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