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Math Question (calc 3)

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Okay...no matter how many times I've tried to do this problem I get 0 (which thinking logically makes no sense), but the answer is actually 6 according to the book.

Find the length of the vector...

r(t)= (cos^3(t))i+(sin^3(t))j from 0 to 2pi

Using the formula (with S being integral, and [[]] meaning norm), L=S([[dr/dt]]dt), i get a norm of 3*sint*cost. integrating that i end up with (3/2)sin^2(t). Plugging in 2pi and 0 i get...0 so far as I can tell.

Maybe I'm having a mental lapse but I've done this problem 3 times now and gotten 0 each time. I can also see no errors in my methods...I'm really confused as to what is going on here.
 

Macam

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I'm a little unclear on what exactly the problem is. Just so I'm clear, are you supposed to find the vector length of the following?

r(t) = [ cos(3t)i + sin(3t)j ] , from 0 - 2pi


If so, if you give me a few hours to hit the gym and run a few errands, I'll be staying up all night doing schoolwork and, specifically by coincidence, CalIII, so I can try to assist you on it...provided -jinx- doesn't hammer this shit out in 2 seconds by then.
 
arc length, i guess...summing up ds/dt essentially. For the life of me I can't figure out where I'm going wrong on this one. Everything going back to my initial derivative of each part seems to check out on the calculator.

Are you sure you can use that method for this type of problem? My math skills are reeeeeeally rusty, but I can see that r(0)=r(2pi). You end up in the same place. So if you're using a technique based on the distance between the two points, you'll end up with zero.

Maybe jinx can help you.

That's essentially where the problem is coming from. I'm not sure of any other means of doing the problem, although I honestly really havent looked.

EDIT- I think I just figured out my problem. One sec....


EDIT AGAIN- Yup...got it. I needed to integrate the absolute value of the equation, not the equation itself. That breaks it up into several integrals actually, but I guess that's how the formula works.
 

Dilbert

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morbidaza said:
Okay...no matter how many times I've tried to do this problem I get 0 (which thinking logically makes no sense), but the answer is actually 6 according to the book.

Find the length of the vector...

r(t)= (cos^3(t))i+(sin^3(t))j from 0 to 2pi

Using the formula (with S being integral, and [[]] meaning norm), L=S([[dr/dt]]dt), i get a norm of 3*sint*cost. integrating that i end up with (3/2)sin^2(t). Plugging in 2pi and 0 i get...0 so far as I can tell.

Maybe I'm having a mental lapse but I've done this problem 3 times now and gotten 0 each time. I can also see no errors in my methods...I'm really confused as to what is going on here.
You can write the vector-valued function as

r(t) = x(t)i + y(t)j

When you can write it in that form, there is a theorem for arclength (L) which will help you:

L = the definite integral over the interval [a, b] of SQRT[(dx/dt)² + (dy/dt)²] dt

(It looks like crap in text...sorry)

From our definitions of x(t) and y(t), we get

L = int[a, b] of SQRT[(-3 sin t cos²t)² + (3 cos t sin²t)²] dt
L = int[a, b] of SQRT[9 sin²t (cos²t)² + 9 cos²t (sin²t)²] dt

We can factor the 9 out and take the square root:

L = int[a, b] of 3 SQRT[sin²t (cos²t)² + cos²t (sin²t)²] dt

We can also factor out a common factor of sin²t cos²t from each term:

L = int[a, b] of 3 SQRT[(sin²t cos²t)(cos²t + sin²t)] dt

...except that the second factor is 1! (Definition of the unit circle.) It's trivial to take the square root, and now we have an integral we can do:

L = int[a, b] of 3 sin t cos t dt

u = sin t
du = cos t dt

L = int[a, b] of 3u du
L = (3/2)u² over the interval [a, b]
L = (3/2)sin²t over [0, 2pi]

So what gives? This looks like the answer ought to be zero. However, you have to go back and read the fine print on our theorem for arclength. As written, it is only valid when two conditions hold:

1) The curve C does not intersect itself anywhere on the interval [a, b], except possibly at the endpoint.
2) C has a smooth parameterization given by x = f(t) and y = g(t).

When you draw the graph for r(t), you will see that we're in good shape for #1. However, the graph is NOT smooth at multiples of pi/2 -- the graph forms a sharp point.

You can still solve the problem by noting that the function is symmetric about the x- and y-axes and smooth over the interval [0, pi/2]:

L = 4(3/2)sin²t over [0, pi/2]
L = 6 sin²t over [0, pi/2]
L = 6 sin²(pi/2) - 6 sin²(0)
L = 6(1) - 0
L = 6

That should be the answer you're looking for. And yes, I did spend the last 30 minutes of my birthday with my old calculus book on my desk. I'm pathetic.

Hope this helps...
 

Dilbert

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morbidaza said:
I needed to integrate the absolute value of the equation, not the equation itself. That breaks it up into several integrals actually, but I guess that's how the formula works.
That may give you the right answer, but it isn't a valid approach. See my answer regarding piecewise smoothness of the function...
 
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