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MGM Studios up for sale. Disney? Netflix?

I'm sure Disney would love to add Bond to the portfolio.


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ManaByte

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Apple has been interested. They even teased it by using the Bond theme with the last iPhone reveal.
 
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Nitty_Grimes

Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Apple is desperate for content. MS isn't even producing TV shows and movies.
Sorry friend. It was more MS seem to have their chequebook open for everyone and anyone at the minute if you read some of the crazy ideas going round for who they are supposedly going to buy, was meant more tongue in cheek.
 

jason10mm

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Wow, the likelihood of Jane Bond is almost directly proportional to who buys MGM.

Disney? 100%
Sony? 50%
Apple? 35%
Amazon? 10%
Netflix? 150%
 

Quasicat

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Apple is desperate for content. MS isn't even producing TV shows and movies.
Wouldn’t it be awesome if this was how Microsoft would get the GoldenEye Remaster out? Apparently, it was finished, but needed Some licensing stuff sorted out.
 

GeorgioCostanzaX

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I don’t think MGM actually owns Bond though? Isn’t it Albert Broccoli’s kids at EON Produxtions?

Wasn’t that why the last few films jumped to Sony for distribution?

Anyway I kind of wonder if shareholders would let Disney buy them at this point since they’re losing ridiculous amounts of money with theaters and their theme parks being indefinitely closed due to COVID.

My bet would be on WB or Comcast/Universal just to spite them for losing out on FOX. Any weird ancillary Marvel rights tied up at MGM?
 
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ManaByte

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I don’t think MGM actually owns Bond though? Isn’t it Albert Broccoli’s kids at EON Produxtions?

Wasn’t that why the last few films jumped to Sony for distribution?

Anyway I kind of wonder if shareholders would let Disney buy them at this point since they’re losing ridiculous amounts of money with theaters and their theme parks being indefinitely closed due to COVID.

My bet would be on WB or Comcast/Universal just to spite them for losing out on FOX. Any weird ancillary Marvel rights tied up at MGM?

Correct, EON owns Bond. MGM is the distributer though. So whoever buys MGM will be able to distribute the Bond movies.
 

Happosai

Hold onto your panties
Wow, the likelihood of Jane Bond is almost directly proportional to who buys MGM.

Disney? 100%
Sony? 50%
Apple? 35%
Amazon? 10%
Netflix? 150%
Netflix offers MGM services as an add-on, so it's possible but not the highest.
Sadly, the great MGM is likely being purchased by Disney as we speak. I talked about this with my wife about which studios are on the soon-to-be chopped block of Disney and thus destroyed. MGM has a lot of content that Disney hasn't been able to touch for years and they want it.
 

GeorgioCostanzaX

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Disney has a ton of debt from the fox deal don't think they can purchase anything right now.
Yep plus they are bleeding money each day Newsom keeps Disneyland closed and they couldn’t release any of their theatrical film slate this year which also impacts toy sales. pre COVID they seemed bullet proof but not sure how shareholders would feel now.
 

ManaByte

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Yep plus they are bleeding money each day Newsom keeps Disneyland closed and they couldn’t release any of their theatrical film slate this year which also impacts toy sales. pre COVID they seemed bullet proof but not sure how shareholders would feel now.
Shareholders are doing backflips because Disney+ is on track to overtake Netflix in subs by the end of 2021. They're already more than halfway there in just a year.
 

jason10mm

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Really though, given how OLD most of the MGM library is I just don't see it having much of a draw for young subscribers. So apple, disney, hulu, etc won't see much of a return IMHO.

This is best to add legitimacy to a "we already have it" service like netflix or more likely amazon. WB and HBOmax are probably the best home since their catalogues overlap but I don't think they have the cash.

I think it will be amazon. They are booming right now and I gotta think Bezos is expecting an anti-trust call to come aknocking at some point so the more he can solidify amazon as a legit streaming service now the better.
 

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Disney maybe?

They bought the rights to MGM's most popular movie, Wizard of Oz, awhile back.
 

Happosai

Hold onto your panties
What does MGM have besides Bond?
New Bond (Bond beyond the 80's) is a mediocre compared to Rocky. They own all the first 5 Rocky films. MGM had a huge animation department which distributed hundreds if not thousands of big-time cartoons during American animations golden era. They also own the popular distributor Shout/Scream Factory.
 

GeorgioCostanzaX

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Shareholders are doing backflips because Disney+ is on track to overtake Netflix in subs by the end of 2021. They're already more than halfway there in just a year.

Which fundamentally makes zero sense. D+ is a tiny fraction of the revenue they earn from their theme parks, hotels and box office receipts. It’s a great side business but their core is in deep shit until COVID is eradicated.
 

ManaByte

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Which fundamentally makes zero sense. D+ is a tiny fraction of the revenue they earn from their theme parks, hotels and box office receipts. It’s a great side business but their core is in deep shit until COVID is eradicated.

You must have missed where they restructured the company around streaming.

 

GeorgPrime

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Wow, the likelihood of Jane Bond is almost directly proportional to who buys MGM.

Disney? 100%
Sony? 50%
Apple? 35%
Amazon? 10%
Netflix? 150%

Iam sure Netflix is out with Heavyweights like Disney and Apple being interested in MGM


Which fundamentally makes zero sense. D+ is a tiny fraction of the revenue they earn from their theme parks, hotels and box office receipts. It’s a great side business but their core is in deep shit until COVID is eradicated.

DIsney+ is a long term investment that is not focused on doing a direct revenue for Disney. You will know in 1-2 years if D+ is a success or not
 
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GeorgioCostanzaX

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You must have missed where they restructured the company around streaming.


Dude I used to work there in finance trust me when I say SHORT TERM they’re completely fucked without their core business. Wall Street may allow them to invest in MGM but it’s at the expense of 32,000 jobs.
A reorg means jack shit it’s just different executives calling the shots in a never ending game of musical chairs on a sinking Titanic.

I do expect them to rebound hard when COVID is done but at the moment they are burning cash every day Newsom keeps their highest earning park closed (plus hotels and cruises) and the movie going public is going to be soft for the next few years as well: don’t expect Force Awakens or Avenger’s End Game levels of butts in seats any time soon.

They also are down on cable subscriptions to ESPN as more and more people ditch their subscriptions which was all investors could talk about pre COVID.

Look at their 10k revenue is as follows:

Cable
Theme Parks
Theatrical
Streaming
Consumer Products
 
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IntentionalPun

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Which fundamentally makes zero sense. D+ is a tiny fraction of the revenue they earn from their theme parks, hotels and box office receipts. It’s a great side business but their core is in deep shit until COVID is eradicated.

When Disney+ goes up to $8 / month (that's the plan for early next year), and reaches around ~150 million subscribers.. they will eclipse the total box office reciepts for their biggest year (if that monthly revenue was static for 12 months, in reality it'll just keep going up.)

They get pretty much 100% of the revenue from Disney+... they get 25-60% of box office revenue depending on where it's made, likely no greater than 50% overall.... and they have to manage distribution worldwide vs... hosting a streaming service (not cheap, but way less complicated, and getting cheaper and cheaper to do, whereas distributing things worldwide, not so much.)

I don't know why people aren't seeming to get how massive streaming is.

Eventually they'll be able to charge $10 a month and in a couple years will have 200 million subs.

That's 2 billion dollars every single month. $24 billion in revenue; they probably had at most ~$7 billion in revenue from their record 2019 box office. They may never hit that kind of number again at the box office, they certainly weren't doing it in 2020 even before COVID.

Now imagine a service with 300 million subscribers and options from $10-15 like Netflix... totally plausible.

edit: To be clear, streaming existing is also cutting into cable/TV revenue.. so it's all shifting a bunch of money around, but it IS the future, these guys are stuck with it.. just trying to keep the lights on everywhere else (TV/theater) while hoping to be one of the big streaming players.
 
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sol_bad

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When Disney+ goes up to $8 / month (that's the plan for early next year), and reaches around ~150 million subscribers.. they will eclipse the total box office reciepts for their biggest year.

They get pretty much 100% of the revenue from Disney+... they get 25-60% of box office revenue depending on where it's made, likely no greater than 50% overall.... and they have to manage distribution worldwide vs... hosting a streaming service (not cheap, but way less complicated, and getting cheaper and cheaper to do, whereas distributing things worldwide, not so much.)

I don't know why people aren't seeming to get how massive streaming is.

Eventually they'll be able to charge $10 a month and in a couple years will have 200 million subs.

That's 2 billion dollars every single month. $24 billion in revenue; they probably had at most ~$7 billion in revenue from their record 2019 box office. They may never hit that kind of number again at the box office, they certainly weren't doing it in 2020 even before COVID.

Now imagine a service with 300 million subscribers and options from $10-15 like Netflix... totally plausible.

Imagine the money they make from 300 million subscribers PLUS the money they make from box office receipts. Why would they want to cut off that extra revenue stream?
Disney didn't have any films out at the theatres prior to Covid19, their first 2020 film was Onward which released in March, basically the same time as Covid hit.
 

IntentionalPun

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Imagine the money they make from 300 million subscribers PLUS the money they make from box office receipts. Why would they want to cut off that extra revenue stream?
Disney didn't have any films out at the theatres prior to Covid19, their first 2020 film was Onward which released in March, basically the same time as Covid hit.

Not sure why you responded to me like this as I certainly never suggested anyone cut off theaters?

Everyone in the industry is thinking about day-one streaming releases though, balancing the damage it might do to the theater "industry" against the race to be one of the big/biggest players in streaming.

Nobody wants theaters to die, nobody wants cable / broadcast TV to die. Companies have been balancing it all while trying to also get in on streaming knowing eventually that's where the majority of revenue will be... and that revenue is already massive.
 
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Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Why is it on hbo max then ?


Dunno but I remember they bought the rights awhile back.

That one "prequel" movie with Mila Kunis and Rachel Weisz was also under Disney so the acquisition probably hapened prior to that film.

Also Rachel Weisz. Yum yum.
 

Susurrus

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Hopefully a studio that supports Movies Anywhere so I can get my Bond and other MGM flix across the MA platforms.
 
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