andthebeatgoeson
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Wait, didn't Sega do that 5 years ago? Well, at least to the mainstream population. Or is this another 'Nintendo invented the analog stick' or 'made wireless controllers mainstream' type of argument?Redbeard said:
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Microsoft; "We're the thought leader in [the current] generation"
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MassiveAttack
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Tellaerin said:You're right. A PC-centric software company creating a game system that's basically a mini-PC, courting Western game developers to produce titles for it based on its similarity to the PC's they're familiar with, then cribbing the concept of online matchmaking services from the PC world and marketing it to console gamers as 'Xbox Live' is tremendously innovative.Give me a break. All Microsoft's really done so far is to repackage tried-and-true concepts from the PC world for a console audience. Oh, and now they're going to push HDTV next gen. Whee! Innovation!
Bingo. All this talk of MS as "thought leader" and "teh innovation" will vanish the moment Kutaragi unveils PS3. But enjoy it while it lasts.
Phoenix
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MassiveAttack said:Bingo. All this talk of MS as "thought leader" and "teh innovation" will vanish the moment Kutaragi unveils PS3. But enjoy it while it lasts.
Logical flaw. If we accept the original argument (which is foolishness) - Sony is no longer capable of innovating in the console space. They can add nothing that any of their other divisions produce as innovations and since Sony does Music, Video, large numbers of consumer electronics, dvrs, etc - nothing they do now can be considered an innovation due to their past.
Pedigree Chum
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MassiveAttack said:Bingo. All this talk of MS as "thought leader" and "teh innovation" will vanish the moment Kutaragi unveils PS3. But enjoy it while it lasts.
I doubt Sony is going to inoovate much with the PS3. It's going to be standard, and possibly bring less change (I doubt the DS will change all that much, even though it needs it). PS2 will be more powerful, but we all know that userbase > all. MS is taking some chances this gen, epecially from a market standpoint, ie. launch first. I hope it works out for them.
soundwave05
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Meh, SCEI maybe owes more to Sega really (with the Genesis marketing campaign/targeting older consumers) than Sony's other divisions for laying any kind of groundwork for the type of product the Playstation was and the audience that its garnered.
Pedigree Chum said:
My great white hope for innovation out of Sony next gen is actually interface related, funnily enough. They're working on some exciting things with infrared cameras, and I hope they will push that into the spotlight from the start with ps3. There's certainly an opportunity for them to be innovative there, but we shall see.
Pedigree Chum
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gofreak said:
That's true. I doubt either MS or Sony will bring something truly great to the table though, like the emergeance of analogue control on consoles and such. I know either system doesn't need it, so it's not a big deal to me. But I want to see more refinement in controls, I love how the 360's controllers look...from a funtional standpoint they look perfect. Sony's DS is good and all, but it needs an overhaul next gen. It might happen, but I'm not betting on it (which is sad). As for the power difference between the two systems, I doubt it'll be a big as PS2-XBox, probably more like Genny-SNES. It's all about the games and controller design to me, so far Sony has the games (IMO, i love the franchises on PS2) and MS has the controller (but we haven't seen what Sony's cooked up in this regard)
Also with MS launching first it could give them a great headstart of Sony. The first year/two are the most important to a console to build a strong userbase which will more than pay off on the dev side of things. I'm hoping MS sell tons of consoles in 2006 before PS3 hits. It should make things a lot more even, even if Sony sell tons of PS3's directly after they launch. I want to see a tighter battle. It should also help MS in exclusive 3rd party games negotiations (like with the GTA series). This would be the ideal situation for the games market IMO. More competition = good.
I would agree with him.
Not to say that Nintendo and Sony didn't do their own original things. EyeToy was very innovative...but didn't get a lot of support.
Compared to Eye Toy, Live and Custom Soundtracks got a lot of support from developers, as it was less gimmicky and more practical for ALL sorts of titles.
Not to say that Nintendo and Sony didn't do their own original things. EyeToy was very innovative...but didn't get a lot of support.
Compared to Eye Toy, Live and Custom Soundtracks got a lot of support from developers, as it was less gimmicky and more practical for ALL sorts of titles.
inpHilltr8r
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What, like every gameboy game ever?Jonnyram said:
Who can think of an idea and act on it is what I consider a thought leader.
Whether successful or not, I wouldn't use it as part of the equation.
I would consider the Virtual Boy an example of thought leadership. It wasn't successful, but it showed that Nintendo could think outside the box and made a portable 3D gaming console.
Whether successful or not, I wouldn't use it as part of the equation.
I would consider the Virtual Boy an example of thought leadership. It wasn't successful, but it showed that Nintendo could think outside the box and made a portable 3D gaming console.
Mike Works
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