Chuckpebble
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I hated the Ceadeus fight too. I only ever made the chest pieces for that set and paired it with some torso up parts.
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate - Demo out [Updated: FAQ and Help]
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lol, touche
Dual Swords do more damage, but at a cost of defensive capabilities. Limited dodging and if you're in Demonize Mode or w/e, your attacks have fairly long animations, but you get immunity to Wind Pressure. Elemental DS are pretty good. Demonization eats up Stamina like hell, but increases your damage output significantly. (And dodging/dashing during it eats up even more quickly. Bring some Juice!)
SnS lets you use items with your weapon out and the Shield can save your ass in a pinch. (Seriously, you'd be surprised at what it can actually block like Duramboros' Super Body Slam or Uragaan's Rolling Attack.)
They also tend to be better Status Weapons (DS Status weapons typically aren't that great.). Also, I forgot if this is even relevant, but they have increased penetration (less likely to bounce against monsters as opposed to using other types of weapons).
Call Me Maybe
Banned
Just putting this out there, dual swords are super OP. Were they always this powerful?
Yes, especially elemental ones.
Call Me Maybe
Banned
Okay, so that Lagombi keeps kicking my ass. What are some of the cues I should be looking for?
depends on the monster. I used to murder Chameleos with them so hard he'd spend almost the entire fight twitching on the ground. They were very reliant on elementals, armor skills and mega juice spam.
I don't think the ones in the demo are a realistic representation of dual swords, unless they greatly reduced the rate at which they wear down sharpness. Also, it seems like they are doing far more damage than they should be for a paralysis set. I haven't played the full game so I can't give a definitive answer of course.
Wolf Akela
Member
They were sorta UP in gen 2 because it they dull very fast and was pretty reliant on Demonize/stamina. The only monster they were best at were Chameleos (sub 5 mins with a 4-team DS) and a particular Fatalis. The usual method was to just drink juices then Demonize.
They added the gauge and sidestep for gen 3 which removed its reliance on Demonize to keep the DPS up. It's pretty good now.
I'm not sure on the demo, but it probably has skills to reduce sharpness drop. I don't think it gave you the skill to reduce stamina consumption.
Just keep attacking his ass and watch out for his backwards butt attack. If he stands and stretches up, he'll do it.
Little Green Yoda
Member
You should. KOing Barioth is even more satisfying than paralyzing it.
I wonder if we'll be able to use items with the weapon out without having to block first. I believe that was only possible in Tri with the Wiimote/Nunchuk controls and that's gone now.
This port just impresses me so much. One of the best looking Wii titles almost intact, running great with 3D (pretty weak effect though, I prefer leaving off) and still smooth. I think I might even prefer this version visually, since shadows more than make up for the low res textures. This game just looks leagues better than Monster Hunter 4.
Anyway, I still haven't decided if I'll get this. My concern is if there's new content enough for people who already played Tri to death.
Anyway, I still haven't decided if I'll get this. My concern is if there's new content enough for people who already played Tri to death.
I definitely think it's enough, just check out the the MH3U list and compare it to MHTri's. (56 vs 18 monsters)
MH3U: http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/MH3U:_Monsters
MHTri: http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/MH3:_Monsters
Karsticles
Member
I don't KO him, I just get knocked around. :-( Even with all the time I put into the game, he hits me more than anything else out there. Only Lagiacrus comes close because of the damn underwater stuff.
I believe you just became a Member, sir. Grats!
I did! \o/ I didn't even notice, thanks for mentioning it.
Also, to answer your question from before, I think you can face Ceadeus online. It would be odd not to I guess since that would be the only monster you can't fight online, yet you can fight all monsters offline.
Hmm, that's quite the difference. I don't want to click the wiki and spoil myself though, could you please tell me how many of the new monsters are actually made from scratch instead of being reeskins? Also, how many new areas?
There are 2 new monsters that have never been in any previous MH games. There are 9 monsters that didn't appear in MHTri that are in MH3U. And there are 22 subspecies. All monsters in MHTri are coming back.
There is only one new area and it is the one that they introduced in MHP3rd, Moutain Peaks. Probably is the most serene area in the game.
Karsticles
Member
I'm surprised they didn't add Kirin back in. With the amount of...art dedicated to the outfit it provides, you'd think Capcom could take a hint. Plus it's rather a unique creature.
Haunted
Member
2 (new monsters) + 9 (old monsters) + 22 (subspecies) + 18 (MHTri originals) = 51, so clearly you're holding 5 monsters out on us!
Not that I should worry about that, I've been trying to stay as spoiler-free as possible about any of the monsters in this.
Alcotholic
Banned
I read some where that they were trying for a different look and feel thats a bit more cohesive in it's third generation. Maybe Kirin didnt fit the bill when deciding on which monsters to return?
Karsticles
Member
If anyone wants a list of differences between the versions, GFAQs has a nice list:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/683294-monster-hunter-3-ultimate/65271235
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/683294-monster-hunter-3-ultimate/65271235
That's unfortunate. The only way to complete a style is to add some oddities to it.
2 (new monsters) + 9 (old monsters) + 22 (subspecies) + 18 (MHTri originals) = 51, so clearly you're holding 5 monsters out on us!
Not that I should worry about that, I've been trying to stay as spoiler-free as possible about any of the monsters in this.
Well I failed at math lol, it is actually 50 monsters listed there with one that isn't on there but we know of which is a subspecies. So it actually is 51 monsters.
Alcotholic
Banned
Yes, the feature is just not available in the demo.
Filth
Member
awesome my imported one came today for the 3ds xl makes holding the 3ds so much more comfortable.
Oh gj cacpcom, dildo-head horsy is not cool enough but triple green gooey penis monster is in? Wtf?!
Wanted to chime in regarding use of LS; it's very easy to use it without ever hitting your teamates. You can absolutely "go wild" with it and never hit anyone, and it's not like you need to make any sort of effort to do that. Hell, its basic infinite is all stabs and vertical slashes. You can get 4 LS users to combo a phantom ura without ever hitting each other easily (sort of).
SilverLunar
Member
Tried the demo on 3ds, I liked it alot surprisingly! Never played MH before.
Is it true about no online though? Too bad, but I might get it anyways. Not that into online but it would have been a good inclusion.
I like the great sword the most :d
Is it true about no online though? Too bad, but I might get it anyways. Not that into online but it would have been a good inclusion.
I like the great sword the most :d
UncleSporky
Member
Isn't it true that generally it's going to be advantageous to have a source of impact damage for breaking the head and a source of cutting damage for cutting the tail? And in a four person group, it's probably going to be nice to have at least one ranged person to minimize the number of people clumped up around the monster?
It's no MMO, but roles and advantageous party setups still exist. But it's not the difference between success and failure, it's "oh darn, we all picked hammers, there's not room for all of us at the head and I guess we're not getting a piece of that tail."
Can someone confirm if you can chain a counter to the end of a triple-stab combo when using the Lance in MH3U?
Tri was my first MonHun (800+ hours) and I'm playing through MHP3rd HD at the moment, in which the Lance appears to have been nerfed, as you can only chain a counter onto the first two stabs. This results in you no longer feeling like a one-hunter squad of ultimate bad-asses, as you're open to getting completely creamed when doing a triple-stab. Deviljho will never be the same in MHP3rd, as in Tri with Guard+1/+2 you can stand under him and use him as a pincushion, timing the counters perfectly to soak up his tailspins and bites.
Tri was my first MonHun (800+ hours) and I'm playing through MHP3rd HD at the moment, in which the Lance appears to have been nerfed, as you can only chain a counter onto the first two stabs. This results in you no longer feeling like a one-hunter squad of ultimate bad-asses, as you're open to getting completely creamed when doing a triple-stab. Deviljho will never be the same in MHP3rd, as in Tri with Guard+1/+2 you can stand under him and use him as a pincushion, timing the counters perfectly to soak up his tailspins and bites.
Only one new area is disappointing. :/
Well, my ideal party would be an impact weapon + tail cutter + status bowgun, but generally player skill > weapon type. My philosophy however is that it's easier to learn a monster than a weapon, so it's good to keep multiples around in case you end up in a situation where nobody has a tail-cutting weapon or something. And some weapons are just plain way better against certain monsters.
That said I got super lazy in Tri and almost always used a hammer. But even bringing 2 hammers you can share the head if you know what you're doing.
Lance did get a nerf and rightfully so, for the reason you stated at the end. Although I'm one of the weirdos who didn't like the Tri version very much.
It's probably pointless to put in Kirin because they stole the kirin armor and gave it to that arctic Narga wannabe.
Karsticles
Member
Well, it's really three if you count the new town and the 3FU area.
UncleSporky
Member
Generally does everyone bring bombs and traps to every fight with the intent to use them, or are they more special occasion type things because they're annoying to farm up etc.?
Alcotholic
Banned
I never really used bombs much, but I"m reconsidering that. And I do bring traps with me every time. You definitely need them in capture quests, but the game will provide them for you at that point.
UncleSporky
Member
I guess to some extent you would have to think to yourself, ok, we've died twice already and haven't done much damage, I won't waste them on this fight...vs. everybody using all their bombs and traps at the start to try to burn down the monster quickly, and hoping you won't die shortly afterward.
Doesn't help that both Lagombi and Ples have the nasty habit of destroying your bombs with their projectiles/breath if you set them early.
Well, in Tri I used Shock Traps only when needed, since thunder bugs couldn't be "farmed" (I heard it's now possible to "farm" them in 3U). I'd rather use Pitfall Trap because of that. As for the bombs, I only used them for sleep-bombing Alatreon and when fishing Gobul (which, conveniently, would always fall at the same spot when fished, allowing us to bomb him easily).
This is me with bombs. The game is much more of blast when just messing around. I usually also bring 2 thunderbugs and trap tools too to make more shocks just to ensure the tail is coming off.
Karsticles
Member
You always bring them because there's no reason not to have them on hand, but you only use them if you need to, you're doing a capture quest, you want to rush the fight, or you're OCD.
Karsticles
Member
You have to detonate it. Unless the monster uses attacks that collide with barrels, like a fireball.
Hit it.
Best way to detonate it if you're not using a ranged weapon is to use a small barrel bomb, which will detonate on its own and set off the other bombs.
I used to use paintballs to do it, but there's none in the demo.
how?
Edit: ok thanks, i'll try it.
edit 2: Do thet small barrel expolde when they hit the ground?
Yeah, but this game isn't even really a true expansion, but it does have plenty of new content nonetheless.
Small ones have a timer, like 2 or 3 seconds.
The quickest way is just setting them down and kicking them, but I wouldn't recommend that unless you know what you're doing, otherwise stick to what others have said.
naw, the felynes are annoying so kill away, although the point of the demo is to fight the main monster
(but thanks anyway!)Little Green Yoda
Member
Always bring traps since they are easier to use than bombs and because you always want the option of capturing a weakened monster if the timer runs low or if the group already fainted twice. Always bring Tranqs for this same reason.
Bombs take more coordination to use since you don't want to blow up your teammates (or maybe you do lol) and setting them too early risks the monster or minions detonating them before the monster is in range.
You could buy Thunderbugs from the little boy online in Tri. 750z when they were available at normal price, 350z on Jhen days. Once I get a bunch of zenny, I stock up on them when they're half price. Pitfalls were actually more annoying since you had to do bug hunts and swap Monster Fluid for Spiderwebs.
It's up to you, but I always come prepared for anything. To me getting ready for the hunt is part of the fun.
Some monsters like Barioth, I can farm easily 3x faster if I bring a single trap. Exhausting him with hammer hits and breaking a wing early on renders the fight trivial. Same kind of idea with Diablos and sonics.
I always brought 2xmax potion and 1x ancient potion online in Tri even though I don't think I ever used them aside from a couple Deviljho fights. But they can save your ass, and if you tend to get killed then they're essential since they boost your HP back up to the maximum.
As for bombs - depends. I don't see the point in using them on weak monsters but for certain fights I like to have every advantage. And man they sure are nice for breaking certain parts of monsters, or for speeding up bowgun kills assuming you've got sleep ammo. They will become much less useful in g-rank since they do fixed damage and monster hp will be far higher, so don't get too accustomed to them.