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[Mandark]

Without further ado, a transcript of Richard Nixon discussing blacks, Mexicans, sitcoms and homosexuals. Recorded in the Oval Office, transcribed in Harper's a few years back.

RICHARD NIXON: We're going to [put] more of these little Negro bastards on the welfare rolls at $2,400 a family--let people like Pat Moynihan and [special consultant] Leonard Garment and others believe in all that crap. But I don't believe in it. Work, work--throw 'em off the rolls. That's the key.

JOHN D. EHRLICHMAN: The key is Reagan's neutrality. If Reagan blasts this thing and says it's not strong enough on the work-requirement end, that will be very bad.

NIXON: I have the greatest affection for them [blacks], but I know they're not going to make it for 500 years. They aren't. You know it, too. The Mexicans are a different cup of tea. They have a heritage. At the present time they steal, they're dishonest, but they do have some concept of family life. They don't live like a bunch of dogs, which the Negroes do live like.

EHRLICHMAN: The Mexican American is not as good as the Mexican. You go down to Mexico--they're clean, they're honest, they're moral.

NIXON: Mexico is a much more moral country.

EHRLICHMAN: Monterrey, Cuernavaca. Go into slum areas, and by God they come out with clean shirts on a Sunday morning.

NIXON: The church. You find a helluva lot less marijuana use in Mexico than the United States.

EHRLICHMAN: The unions are actually a stronger force down there than the church.

NIXON: For what?

EHRLICHMAN: For conduct and social policy.

NIXON: ... CBS ... glorifying homosexuality.

EHRLICHMAN: A panel show?

H. R. HALDEMAN: No, it's a regular show. It's on every week. It's usually just done in the guy's home. It's usually just that guy, who's a hard hat.

NIXON: That's right; he's a hard hat.

EHRLICHMAN: He always looks like a slob.

NIXON: Looks like Jackie Gleason.

HALDEMAN: He has this hippie son-in-law, and usually the general trend is to downgrade him and upgrade the son-in-law--make the square hard hat out to be bad. But a few weeks ago, they had one in which the guy, the son-in-law, wrote a letter to you, President Nixon, to raise hell about something. And the guy said, "You will not write that letter from my home!" Then said, "I'm going to write President Nixon," took off all those sloppy clothes, shaved, and went to his desk and got ready to write his letter to President Nixon. And apparently it was a good episode.

EHRLICHMAN: What's it called?

NIXON: "Archie's Guys." Archie is sitting here with his hippie son-in-law, married to the screwball daughter. The son-in-law apparently goes both ways. This guy. He's obviously queer--wears an ascot--but not offensively so. Very clever. Uses nice language. Shows pictures of his parents. And so Arch goes down to the bar. Sees his best friend, who used to play professional football. Virile, strong, this and that. Then the fairy comes into the bar.

I don't mind the homosexuality. I understand it. Nevertheless, goddamn, I don't think you glorify it on public television, homosexuality, even more than you glorify whores. We all know we have weaknesses. But, goddammit, what do you think that does to kids? You know what happened to the Greeks! Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo. We all know that. So was Socrates.

EHRLICHMAN: But he never had the influence television had.

NIXON: You know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. Neither in a public way. You know what happened to the popes? They were layin' the nuns; that's been goin' on for years, centuries. But the Catholic Church went to hell three or four centuries ago. It was homosexual, and it had to be cleaned out. That's what's happened to Britain. It happened earlier to France.

Let's look at the strong societies. The Russians. Goddamn, they root 'em out. They don't let 'em around at all. I don't know what they do with them. Look at this country. You think the Russians allow dope? Homosexuality, dope, immorality, are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and left-wingers are clinging to one another. They're trying to destroy us. I know Moynihan will disagree with this, [Attorney General John] Mitchell will, and Garment will. But, goddamn, we have to stand up to this.

EHRLICHMAN: It's fatal liberality.

NIXON: Huh?

EHRLICHMAN: It's fatal liberality. And with its use on television, it has such leverage.

NIXON: You know what's happened [in northern California]?

EHRLICHMAN: San Francisco has just gone clear over.

NIXON: But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time--it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco.

Decorators. They got to do something. But we don't have to glorify it. You know one of the reasons fashions have made women look so terrible is because the goddamned designers hate women. Designers taking it out on the women. Now they're trying to get some more sexy things coming on again.

EHRLICHMAN: Hot pants.

NIXON: Jesus Christ.

 

[bjork]

An old-school whitey was a bigot?

Imagine that.

 

[demi]

Yes sir.

 

[Red Scarlet]

Tricky Dick.

Interesting, but as bjork said, not a surprise.

 

[impirius]

Sure, Aristotle was a homo. We all know that. So was Socrates.

EHRLICHMAN: But he never had the influence television had.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Dig up his corpse!

 

[Flynn]

I love that they're talking about "All in the Family" and get the name wrong.

I'd pay big bucks to hear the conversations what went on between 43 and his minions when "That's My Bush" aired.

 

[Kobun Heat]

I'd pay big bucks to hear the conversations what went on between 43 and his minions when "That's My Bush" aired.

Considering the content of the SECRET BUSH TAPES that came out a while back, probably something like:

RICHARD PERLE: Hey, did you see that new show "That's My Bush?"
BUSH: Yeah, pretty crazy.
RICHARD PERLE: Yeah. Hey, want to get some lunch?

 

[Matlock]

I was expecting a repost of Peter Pan boy.

 

[etiolate]

I also wear an ascot, but not offensively so.

 

[Mandark]

ROVE: We should get lunch.

POWELL: How about sushi?

BUSH: Great, I love Chinese.

POWELL: Actually, sush is Japanese cuisine.

BUSH: No, I'm sure it's Chinese.

O'NEILL: ...

Actually, the recent Bush tapes do bring up an interesting question: Would you prefer a genuinely intolerant president, or a personally tolerant one who gay-baits for political leverage?

 

[Kobun Heat]

Considering I don't believe Bush "gay-baits for political leverage," I'll go with option C. But that's just me, feel free to believe whatever you want about whatever.

 

[Mandark]

Gee, I seem to remember something about the president supporting an amendment to the constitution specifically banning gays from marriage (and likely civil unions, by the wording). I guess that must have been a bad dream.

Does the cognitive dissonance required to vote Republican these days hurt your head? I'm curious.

 

[etiolate]

Is there a website with this transcript up?

 

[Kobun Heat]

Gee, I seem to remember something about the president supporting an amendment to the constitution specifically banning gays from marriage (and likely civil unions, by the wording). I guess that must have been a bad dream.

Does the cognitive dissonance required to vote Republican these days hurt your head? I'm curious.

See, I said just go on believing whatever you want to. You don't have to be all mean.

You can be tolerant of gay people and support maintaining the traditional definition of marriage. They're not mutually exclusive.

 

[Mandark]

This is what I'm talking about. You can be tolerant of gay and lesbian people but deny them access to every single one of the legal benefits of marriage? If I had to pretend this kind of stuff, I'd be having massive migraines.

The Party believes that the practice of sodomy tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of communicable diseases.

There's more where that came from, too.

 

[gofreak]

EHRLICHMAN: Hot pants.

NIXON: Jesus Christ.

:lol :lol

 

[Scrow]

The Party believes that the practice of sodomy tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of communicable diseases.

wow. who would've thought that putting your gentials in someone's poop hole could cause so much damage to society! :lol

 

[Musashi Wins!]

haha, I have the greatest affection for you guys.

 

[LakeEarth]

"So little boy, what do you think of 95.1FM's Crazy Spookfest?"
"....... one time, I saw these two guys making out in the park, and that was the gayest thing I've ever seen until I saw the 95.1FM Crazy Spookfest."

 

[human5892]

wow. who would've thought that putting your gentials in someone's poop hole could cause so much damage to society! :lol

"So you see, Johnny, everytime a gay man plows one of his AIDS-ridden partners, somewhere a family gets a divorce, and a puppy is murdered."

"Mom, I'm not going to be gay."

"I'm glad, son."

 

[tedtropy]

The Party believes that the practice of sodomy tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of communicable diseases.

By that logic, shouldn't more traditional means of sex be barred as well? And then what, they'll take our ability to wank away? To this I say NO MORE, I draw the line here, and here I will stand!11

 

[Fragamemnon]

Wow, that's some bitter, bigoted vitriol.

Coming from a President who based his victory off a coalition with despondent Southern racists? SHOCKING, I tell you.

 

[WARCOCK]

LOL IF I WAS OP IN AMERICA THE OVAL OFFICE WOULD BE BANNED!!!11

 

[bob_arctor]

An old-school whitey was a bigot?

Imagine that.

Hmmm. We seem to always elect old-school whitey's to presidential office. Funny how that works.

 

[bjork]

Hmmm. We seem to always elect old-school whitey's to presidential office. Funny how that works.

They'll die out eventually.

Cybernetic Jesse Jackson in 2024!

 

[Iceman]

(A bit meandering.. but it gets back on topic.. here and there. This is a lot less inflammatory then what I was originally going to write, so don't complain)

Inherent problem here.

You guys expect the president to be perfect? A kingly, savior type?

These guys are the heads of their political parties. That's it. You vote for an ideology which is tempered by a personality.

As long as you don't expect a president to be the all-in-one solution to all things then you'll never be disappointed.

We have to take responsibility for those we do elect to office, no doubt.. but are supposed to apologize for the imperfection of all men?

Racism, stereotypes, bigotry.. it's all over the place. It plagues humanity. Don't think you're above it either. No one is. You can only combat that with free market economics. When the dollar is king everything else becomes secondary. Bigots who don't hire or invest in people from all walks of life are only hurting themselves in the bigger picture. They limit their own resources and their ability to compete in the market.

With that in mind - I can't wait until the color barrier is broken in the white house. That will require an exceptional mind and personality to do it. That isn't to say that there aren't more than enough qualified people of color to run the country for 4 years. It's just that the weighty history of the position has given it such an inertia that it will take quite the blow to break through. And you can't blame one party over the other. Democrats as well as Republicans have each had the opportunity to back colored candidates. And every time the nation has backed away.. why? Several reasons.. American likes former governors or ex-high federal officials. Very few african americans in those posts... and those that are in such positions have abstained from pursuing the presidency (J.C. Watts and Colin Powell come to mind). But another reason is the inherent racism lurking in the minds of all Americans.

I think we all know I would have been quite satisfied with President Alan Keyes, myself.

 

[Dilbert]

Racism, stereotypes, bigotry.. it's all over the place. It plagues humanity. Don't think you're above it either. No one is. You can only combat that with free market economics.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[hXc_thugg]

You guys expect the president to be perfect? A kingly, savior type?

These guys are the heads of their political parties. That's it. You vote for an ideology which is tempered by a personality.

As long as you don't expect a president to be the all-in-one solution to all things then you'll never be disappointed.

We have to take responsibility for those we do elect to office, no doubt.. but are supposed to apologize for the imperfection of all men?

You're right! No man is perfect, so we shouldn't cast judgement on anything but their policies! I'm sure glad nobody ever tried to impeach a president for his extra-marital affairs or anything, that would look so stupid.

 

[Minotauro]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Heh, is that stunning or what? Ayn Rand as civil rights leader?

 

[CrawfishPete]

NIXON: I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco.

 

[Dilbert]

NIXON: I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco.


y'know that is actually not a bad idea......

Why?

 

[Incognito]

(A bit meandering.. but it gets back on topic.. here and there. This is a lot less inflammatory then what I was originally going to write, so don't complain)

Inherent problem here.

You guys expect the president to be perfect? A kingly, savior type?

These guys are the heads of their political parties. That's it. You vote for an ideology which is tempered by a personality.

As long as you don't expect a president to be the all-in-one solution to all things then you'll never be disappointed.

We have to take responsibility for those we do elect to office, no doubt.. but are supposed to apologize for the imperfection of all men?

Racism, stereotypes, bigotry.. it's all over the place. It plagues humanity. Don't think you're above it either. No one is. You can only combat that with free market economics. When the dollar is king everything else becomes secondary. Bigots who don't hire or invest in people from all walks of life are only hurting themselves in the bigger picture. They limit their own resources and their ability to compete in the market.

With that in mind - I can't wait until the color barrier is broken in the white house. That will require an exceptional mind and personality to do it. That isn't to say that there aren't more than enough qualified people of color to run the country for 4 years. It's just that the weighty history of the position has given it such an inertia that it will take quite the blow to break through. And you can't blame one party over the other. Democrats as well as Republicans have each had the opportunity to back colored candidates. And every time the nation has backed away.. why? Several reasons.. American likes former governors or ex-high federal officials. Very few african americans in those posts... and those that are in such positions have abstained from pursuing the presidency (J.C. Watts and Colin Powell come to mind). But another reason is the inherent racism lurking in the minds of all Americans.

I think we all know I would have been quite satisfied with President Alan Keyes, myself.

Is this satire? The Alan Keyes bit at the end sure makes it seem so. Otherwise...

 

[Kobun Heat]

Why?

Because I'm from San Francisco, and you don't know what I might have touched.

 

[Apharmd Battler]

Well, it's not like people don't believe this type of stuff goes on behind closed door. Is anyone really surprised by this info if you think of the time period. what even more shocking is that people think that this type of thinking is a thing of the past and we've come such a long way. All I can sya is grab me a pair of those rose colored sunglasses.

I remember hearing the tapes of Lyndon B. Johnson's comments from the oval office a few years ago. The news media tried to clean them up somewhat and spin them on a positive note. It's not that he said anything BAD, he was actually trying to move the country forward on the issues of civil rights and equal opportunity. But he had a knack of using the word 'nigras' instead of negores. Any older black perosn form the south (cough my parents and grandparents> cough know that 'nigras' wasn't exactly a compliment. But I'll cut Lyndon B. a little slack because he was seriously trying to assess the state of the union and move America forward, even if he was playing politics somewhat. That a lot more than some of his predecessors have done. At least he was one of the first post civil rights president to seriously try and deal with the issues.

I NEVER understood why Nixon is so revered by many. After Vietnam, Watergate, and his inevitable impeachment, I'm surprised many still don't rattle a sword when they here his name. People continue to dog Clinton her his 'indescretions' (and he did lie), but Nixon was a bastard, and yet many still see him as some positive American icon.

 

[Eric-GCA]

I do my best never to shake hands with anyone when I'm in San Francisco. And when I do, you can be sure I wash em thoroughly afterwards.

 

[NLB2]

Because you might catch the gay, why else?

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

(A bit meandering.. but it gets back on topic.. here and there. This is a lot less inflammatory then what I was originally going to write, so don't complain)

Inherent problem here.

You guys expect the president to be perfect? A kingly, savior type?

These guys are the heads of their political parties. That's it. You vote for an ideology which is tempered by a personality.

As long as you don't expect a president to be the all-in-one solution to all things then you'll never be disappointed.

We have to take responsibility for those we do elect to office, no doubt.. but are supposed to apologize for the imperfection of all men?

Racism, stereotypes, bigotry.. it's all over the place. It plagues humanity. Don't think you're above it either. No one is. You can only combat that with free market economics. When the dollar is king everything else becomes secondary. Bigots who don't hire or invest in people from all walks of life are only hurting themselves in the bigger picture. They limit their own resources and their ability to compete in the market.

With that in mind - I can't wait until the color barrier is broken in the white house. That will require an exceptional mind and personality to do it. That isn't to say that there aren't more than enough qualified people of color to run the country for 4 years. It's just that the weighty history of the position has given it such an inertia that it will take quite the blow to break through. And you can't blame one party over the other. Democrats as well as Republicans have each had the opportunity to back colored candidates. And every time the nation has backed away.. why? Several reasons.. American likes former governors or ex-high federal officials. Very few african americans in those posts... and those that are in such positions have abstained from pursuing the presidency (J.C. Watts and Colin Powell come to mind). But another reason is the inherent racism lurking in the minds of all Americans.

I think we all know I would have been quite satisfied with President Alan Keyes, myself.

.........speechless.................. utterly speechless.......

I NEVER understood why Nixon is so revered by many. After Vietnam, Watergate, and his inevitable impeachment, I'm surprised many still don't rattle a sword when they here his name. People continue to dog Clinton her his 'indescretions' (and he did lie), but Nixon was a bastard, and yet many still see him as some positive American icon.

naw, i'm pretty he's hated in many parts.

 

[bjork]

WHERE IS MY TAG MANDARK

 

[3rdman]

Well, it's not like people don't believe this type of stuff goes on behind closed door. Is anyone really surprised by this info if you think of the time period. what even more shocking is that people think that this type of thinking is a thing of the past and we've come such a long way. All I can sya is grab me a pair of those rose colored sunglasses.

I remember hearing the tapes of Lyndon B. Johnson's comments from the oval office a few years ago. The news media tried to clean them up somewhat and spin them on a positive note. It's not that he said anything BAD, he was actually trying to move the country forward on the issues of civil rights and equal opportunity. But he had a knack of using the word 'nigras' instead of negores. Any older black perosn form the south (cough my parents and grandparents> cough know that 'nigras' wasn't exactly a compliment. But I'll cut Lyndon B. a little slack because he was seriously trying to assess the state of the union and move America forward, even if he was playing politics somewhat. That a lot more than some of his predecessors have done. At least he was one of the first post civil rights president to seriously try and deal with the issues.

I NEVER understood why Nixon is so revered by many. After Vietnam, Watergate, and his inevitable impeachment, I'm surprised many still don't rattle a sword when they here his name. People continue to dog Clinton her his 'indescretions' (and he did lie), but Nixon was a bastard, and yet many still see him as some positive American icon.

Odd that you feel that he's reveared. Prior to his death, I think there was a general "forgivness" conveyed to him by the media and Washignton, but overall I'm sure most people dispise what he did and has never forgiven him.

Having said that, it's odd that as bigoted and corrupt as he was, he also created the Enviormental Protection Agency, made major strides diplomatically in China, and crafted a comprehensive universal health care system (which as we know was never enacted).

But, yeah, overall he sucked nuts.

 

[Drinky Crow]

The correct answer is: NINTENDOGS.

 

[Drinky Crow]

I think we all know I would have been quite satisfied with President Alan Keyes, myself.

holy fuck, call the lab guys, we have a live one

 

[videogamer]

See, I said just go on believing whatever you want to. You don't have to be all mean.

You can be tolerant of gay people and support maintaining the traditional definition of marriage. They're not mutually exclusive.

Tolerate but discriminate!

 

[human5892]

Separate but equal!