My company is voting on whether or not to switch to 4-10 schedule.

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I'm undecided on it personally. Having an extra day off sounds nice, but working 10 hours a day is rough. Plus while I'd gain a day, I'd lose 2 hours every day and I'm not sure that's a trade off I like.

For those of you on 4-10s, do you like it?
 
For any job that requires mental concentration, a 10-hour workday sounds remarkably unproductive. The human brain isn't wired to focus and perform tasks for such a long period and it takes rigorous planning to make the most of such a long day.

Even the 8-hour workday is questionable at best in terms of productivity and companies all over the world are experimenting with 6-hour workdays (without loss of pay, of course).

I'd love to see the study this decision is based on. This is based on a study of facts and not on "feelings and thoughts", right?
 
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100% yes. It'll start with 10 hours, then they'll notice the productivity is the same even with 9 hours, and then you'll be back to 9 hours and 4 days.
 
I work 12 hour shifts. Depends on what do you do with your hours outside of work after the shift because for me at first pretty much nothing got done because I was too tired but eventually you get the hang of it and learn to do more with your days off.
 
4-10 isnt bad if you start your day at 8. you get to leave at 6.

you will be far more energized after a 3 day weekend.
 
YCoCg said:
I work 12 hour shifts. Depends on what do you do with your hours outside of work after the shift because for me at first pretty much nothing got done because I was too tired but eventually you get the hang of it and learn to do more with your days off.
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I have one day off. What I do... is through the week, in the mornings, I get all my shit done so that when that day off arrives, I either have a plan to take full of advantage of it, or I will lounge like an absolute fucking Lord outside, BBQing, enjoying nature in the backyard, toking up and just trying to enjoy life with much more focus than a regular work day.
Edit: Oh, yeah and Video Games.
 
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SJRB said:
For any job that requires mental concentration, a 10-hour workday sounds remarkably unproductive. The human brain isn't wired to focus and perform tasks for such a long period and it takes rigorous planning to make the most of such a long day.

Even the 8-hour workday is questionable at best in terms of productivity and companies all over the world are experimenting with 6-hour workdays (without loss of pay, of course).

I'd love to see the study this decision is based on. This is based on a study of facts and not on "feelings and thoughts", right?
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One and done. Nobody is productive at the end of an 8-hour day if you do challenging mental tasks. 10 hours sounds like more time wasted.
 
Until I started reading the comments, I thought OP was saying they were changing to a 4 AM to 10 AM schedule (or a 4 PM to 10 PM schedule) since 9-5 is a common work schedule expression.
 
We work 9-80. You get every other Friday off on that schedule and I like it.

I personally come and go in my office as needed within reason because we are all professionals.
 
I wish I could do that but my type of work wouldn't allow it sadly.

Great opportunity if you can figure a way to work it out
 
I'd do the 4/10 no question. As it is my company allows half day Fridays basically ever other week if you put in an extra hour Monday-Thursday. I come in a half hour early and take a half hour lunch and it's done.
 
I would do it in a second, but I often work an extra hour or two anyway. Also you have to think of what your company culture is like, for example if you know there will be people logging in on Fridays to "stand out", or if you think you are going to get emails to log in on Friday to do something "important", then you're not getting the benefits of this.
 
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I've always thought that 3 12-hour shifts was the best working arrangement. It's not suitable nor even available in most fields (usually reserved for healthcare), but it's ideal because A) you only work 36 hours per week instead of 40 and B) you condense the suckiness of work into just three days instead of spreading it out over 5.

My wife works with a woman in healthcare who will be starting a 7 on, 7 off shift in August. 7 12-hour shifts in a row, but then you're off for 7 days. People who do that kind of work will save up their PTO and use a bunch of days + holidays to get a month or more off from work (while only using maybe 7-8 PTO days).
 
Aesius said:
I've always thought that 3 12-hour shifts was the best working arrangement. It's not suitable nor even available in most fields (usually reserved for healthcare), but it's ideal because A) you only work 36 hours per week instead of 40 and B) you condense the suckiness of work into just three days instead of spreading it out over 5.

My wife works with a woman in healthcare who will be starting a 7 on, 7 off shift in August. 7 12-hour shifts in a row, but then you're off for 7 days. People who do that kind of work will save up their PTO and use a bunch of days + holidays to get a month or more off from work (while only using maybe 7-8 PTO days).
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3x12hrs is doable, but I had a job that was 3x12 one week and 4x12 the next and the weeks I was on 4 in a row were miserable
 
Thaedolus said:
3x12hrs is doable, but I had a job that was 3x12 one week and 4x12 the next and the weeks I was on 4 in a row were miserable
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Yeah, I don't see how 7 12-hour shifts in a row is possible. I think you would be absolutely dead on day 5, let alone day 6 and 7.

She was even talking about picking up contract work at another hospital on her days off (which pays $100/hr). Yeah right. She's going to need every single day to recover.
 
I was going to nursing school for the flexible schedule, but that didn't work out in the long run. I went into IT and after a couple years of 8-5 and occasionally 8-7, it just burned me out. I travel now and that's sometimes the best thing for me mentally. Even if my drive home is a couple hours. I can sometimes get off a couple hours before 5. Idk if I'd like this. I have days where I'm not home until 6-8 due to cutovers, but that's the nature of the job. I get compensated PTO for those days. That's also me and not everyone else.

I see a lot of burnout from techs. They do the whole 8-5 thing for so long and they're itching to move on. They want a more flexible job, so maybe this would work. The thing with client based work, you've got to be there when the client needs you. Not all companies know how to make this work.
 
SlimySnake said:
4-10 isnt bad if you start your day at 8. you get to leave at 6.

you will be far more energized after a 3 day weekend.
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I'll up see you there and up you one more - 5-3. Depending on the type of work you do, doing the 2 hours means a lot in a menial office job where time crawls sometimes.

My line of work doesn't need me to ever be there last 3. I do 5/8 but would gladly do 5-10 if offered since I consistently come in at 5.
 
NecrosaroIII said:
I'm undecided on it personally. Having an extra day off sounds nice, but working 10 hours a day is rough. Plus while I'd gain a day, I'd lose 2 hours every day and I'm not sure that's a trade off I like.

For those of you on 4-10s, do you like it?
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I'm not on this particular timetable so I cannot comment from experience. Personally however that extra day has to be worth a mere 2 extra hours right? Just power on and you have an extra day of porn and potato chips babbyy!!!
 
No brainer if you're single and/or have no kids. 5/8 works better for my lifestyle because I coach my kids' sports teams and those usually start around 4ish.
 
Our company trialed that with our team one Summer as an option. Most coworkers didn't because they had wife/kids. Everyone else (mostly younger ones) enjoyed it. Every weekend felt like a holiday weekend, and I had thought this feeling would disappear by the end of the trial run as it became my new normal but nope, every weekend felt long and nice... sadly our company stuck with 5-8s.
 
I have a rather relaxed work time (32-36 hours) but i multitask AF during those hours which is what makes even that scheldule pretty insane.

I work at a hospital.
 
Redneckerz said:
I have a rather relaxed work time (32-36 hours) but i multitask AF during those hours which is what makes even that scheldule pretty insane.

I work at a hospital.
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SJRB said:
For any job that requires mental concentration, a 10-hour workday sounds remarkably unproductive. The human brain isn't wired to focus and perform tasks for such a long period and it takes rigorous planning to make the most of such a long day.

Even the 8-hour workday is questionable at best in terms of productivity and companies all over the world are experimenting with 6-hour workdays (without loss of pay, of course).

I'd love to see the study this decision is based on. This is based on a study of facts and not on "feelings and thoughts", right?
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https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20230319-four-day-workweek-trial-the-firms-where-it-didnt-work
 
With standard 9-5 kinds of schedules, it's already hard enough for some poeple complaining about baby sitting and school pick up and drop off. Making it a 10 hour gap, good luck.

Once the school day ends, parents will try to hop out saying they got to pick up their kid, so for them it'll be like 9-5 hours, but got Friday off now perpetually.
 
I'd take it in a sec. I'm 6:00am to 2:30pm which I think is perfect. Though I have been killing overtime the last few years. I'll come on my off day or do a couple 12 hour shifts during the week. Once the money starts coming in it's hard to stop.
 
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When did 9-to-5 become 8-to-5? And why? I'd much rather work 8 hours straight and be done with it. When I have an hour lunch break, I feel like I'm working twice in one day.

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My job switches to 4 10hr days during the summer months and I love it. Mondays are much more bearable with 3 days off, on a normal two-day weekend you spend some of Sunday thinking or getting ready for Monday. When you have 3 days off you legit have two whole days to not think about work. Back when I worked at the jail we used to get 3 days on/4 days off, then 4 days on /3 days off, it was the best, wish all jobs had this.
 
Where i live it is 38,5 hours a week and a short Friday: 4*8.25 +5.5
I already work 9+ hours every day so a jump to 9.5-10 to gain a free Friday is easy.
 
th4tguy said:
Not really. Doesn't go well if you have kids, no matter the job.
I'm much happier with my 8-4 wfh job than I would be with a 4 day schedule.
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WFH is a different calculus because you're probably chilling a lot more than you would be at the office. A 4 day workweek is like the in-office equivalent of WFH. 4x10 is not going to be rigorously enforced in an office. Between breaks and lunches it ends up being 4x8.5 or so on average. I've always skipped the middle step and do 4x8 or wfh and focus on performance metrics instead of paying tribute to the 40h work week.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
With standard 9-5 kinds of schedules, it's already hard enough for some poeple complaining about baby sitting and school pick up and drop off. Making it a 10 hour gap, good luck.

Once the school day ends, parents will try to hop out saying they got to pick up their kid, so for them it'll be like 9-5 hours, but got Friday off now perpetually.
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TBH the whole infrastructure around raising kids is remarkably inefficient given how important kids are for the economy (sorry trendy singles, in majority of countries in Europe it's the kids that will be working for your retirement). If I had to count how many times my kids were sick, school was closed, something else happened that made me keep kids at home for even 2-3 extra hours - without WFH 100% it would have been downright brutal.
 
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