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Mystery death of ex-KGB chief linked to MI6 spy's dossier on Donald Trump

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Dalek

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...b-chief-linked-mi6-spys-dossier-donald-trump/

An ex-KGB chief suspected of helping the former MI6 spy Christopher Steele to compile his dossier on Donald Trump may have been murdered by the Kremlin and his death covered up. it has been claimed.

Oleg Erovinkin, a former general in the KGB and its successor the FSB, was found dead in the back of his car in Moscow on Boxing Day in mysterious circumstances.

Erovinkin was a key aide to Igor Sechin, a former deputy prime minister and now head of Rosneft, the state-owned oil company, who is repeatedly named in the dossier.

Erovinkin has been described as a key liaison between Sechin and Russian president Vladimir Putin. Mr Steele writes in an intelligence report dated July 19, 2016, he has a source close to Sechin, who had disclosed alleged links between Mr Trump’s supporters and Moscow.

The death of Erovinkin has prompted speculation it is linked to Mr Steele’s explosive dossier, which was made public earlier this month. Mr Trump has dismissed the dossier as “fake news” and no evidence has emerged to support its lurid claims.

The Russian state-run RIA Novosti news agency reported Erovinkin’s body was “found in a black Lexus... [and] a large-scale investigation has been commenced in the area. Erovinkin’s body was sent to the FSB morgue”.

No cause of death has been confirmed and the FSB continues to investigate. Media reports suggested his death was a result of foul play.

It was later claimed he died of a heart attack. Christo Grozev, an expert on Russia-related security threats, believes Erovinkin is the key source to whom Mr Steele refers in his dossier.

Mr Grozev said on a blog: “Insiders have described Erovinkin to me alternately as ‘Sechin’s treasurer’ and ‘the go-between between Putin and Sechin’. One thing that everyone seems to agree – both in public and private sources – is that Erovinkin was Sechin’s closest associate.”

Mr Grozev, of Risk Management Lab, a think tank in Bulgaria, said: “I have no doubt that at the time Erovinkin died, Mr Putin had Mr Steele’s Trump dossier on his desk. He would – arguably – have known whether the alleged... story is based on fact or fiction.
 
How difficult would it be to impeach Trump if such people were no longer alive to testify?

It depends. Really, you just need enough evidence to convince congress to vote for impeachment.

He could also be removed with Article 4 of the 25th Amendment, which is cleaner and quicker, but would probably cause a huge outcry.
 

Foffy

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So, there's an assassin afoot?

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Agent 47, perhaps?
 

GuyKazama

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How difficult would it be to impeach Trump if such people were no longer alive to testify?

Impeachment only applies to actions after taking office. Despite this thread being devoid of facts and reality, this should at least be noted.
 

Slime

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It's pretty terrifying that the plot to the most insane espionage movie ever made is clearly playing out right in front of us and half of the country is in denial that it's even happening.
 

Nelo Ice

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It's pretty terrifying that the plot to the most insane espionage movie ever made is clearly playing out right in front of us and half of the country is in denial that it's even happening.

I'm still in utter shock and disbelief at what's happening right now. I don't think there's any chance in hell anyone writing a book, movie etc could have come up with something so insane and ridiculous. We are only 1 week into hell and every single day things escalated to 10.
 

Chumley

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Impeachment only applies to actions after taking office. Despite this thread being devoid of facts and reality, this should at least be noted.

Despite you having no fucking idea what you're talking about, you continue to post. Evidence of Russian ties would result in a scandal that makes Watergate look like nothing, and the dossier has yet to be discredited or proven real.
 

KDR_11k

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It's pretty terrifying that the plot to the most insane espionage movie ever made is clearly playing out right in front of us and half of the country is in denial that it's even happening.

Sports-like adherence to party over everything else is pretty awesome, eh?
 

petran79

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Despite you having no fucking idea what you're talking about, you continue to post. Evidence of Russian ties would result in a scandal that makes Watergate look like nothing, and the dossier has yet to be discredited or proven real.

Not that USA havent done the same to other countries, fascist and democratic, yet no one dares persecute anyone, as long as it takes place outside home soil.
 

Suikoguy

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Not that USA havent done the same to other countries, fascist and democratic, yet no one dares persecute anyone, as long as it takes place outside home soil.

Oh good, we got to Whataboutism in less than 20 posts!
 
Impeachment only applies to actions after taking office. Despite this thread being devoid of facts and reality, this should at least be noted.

That's actually untrue. You can be Impeached for whatever Congress decides to impeach you on. Impeachment is a political act, not a judicial one. It's Congress' prerogative. They get to decide what "High crimes and misdemeanors" means and Congress has a very wide berth for that definition.

There is no rule that says you can only be impeached for actions committed in office.
 

Xtyle

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Not that USA havent done the same to other countries, fascist and democratic, yet no one dares persecute anyone, as long as it takes place outside home soil.

That has nothing to do with what we are dealing with here at home as selfish as that sounds.

also, I am not sure we have done anything to another country to this degree.
 

Chumley

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That's actually untrue. You can be Impeached for whatever Congress decides to impeach you on. Impeachment is a political act, not a judicial one. It's Congress' prerogative. They get to decide what "High crimes and misdemeanors" means and Congress has a very wide berth for that definition.

There is no rule that says you can only be impeached for actions committed in office.

Careful now, Kazama's reality is based in alternate facts so he might not like reading this.
 

BowieZ

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Here come the spy games again.
Putin's spy game began 40 years ago, when he joined the KGB in 1975.

The events of the last 6 months, though, have quite possibly (and plausibly) been -- with a little bit of luck and a whole lot of murder -- the 25-year-long successful plotting of a former Russian spy who has, every hour and every day since assuming power at the turn of the century, been ruing the fall of the Soviet Union and Mother Russia's grasp on Europe, and has had the power to avenge it.

Completely unrelated to this of course is the fact that Trump will profit from Putin's revenge... completely unrelated.
 

mo60

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Putin's spy game began 40 years ago, when he joined the KGB in 1975.

The events of the last 6 months, though, have quite possibly (and plausibly) been -- with a little bit of luck and a whole lot of murder -- the 25-year-long successful plotting of a former Russian spy who has, every hour and every day since assuming power at the turn of the century, been ruing the fall of the Soviet Union and Mother Russia's grasp on Europe, and has had the power to avenge it.

Completely unrelated to this of course is the fact that Trump will profit from Putin's revenge... completely unrelated.

Putin's eventual downfall will be interesting. The question is if his downfall will occur anytime soon or will we have to wait until like 2040 for it to happen.
 

FZZ

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ISI needs to get in this shit for it to become maximum fuckery

most successful intelligence agency in the world brehs
 
Well, if there was any doubt left about the intelligence report on Trump and that Putin has him by the balls with blackmail videos, this definitely settles it.

Putin wants to remain puppet master and is cleaning up behind the report to make sure there aren't any further leaks.
 
Putin's spy game began 40 years ago, when he joined the KGB in 1975.

The events of the last 6 months, though, have quite possibly (and plausibly) been -- with a little bit of luck and a whole lot of murder -- the 25-year-long successful plotting of a former Russian spy who has, every hour and every day since assuming power at the turn of the century, been ruing the fall of the Soviet Union and Mother Russia's grasp on Europe, and has had the power to avenge it.

Completely unrelated to this of course is the fact that Trump will profit from Putin's revenge... completely unrelated.

There it is. Nicely summed up. You've been doing some great work on Trump's ties with Putin and Russia. Legit investigative journalism level stuff.
 

ISOM

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Not that USA havent done the same to other countries, fascist and democratic, yet no one dares persecute anyone, as long as it takes place outside home soil.

Impeachment only applies to actions after taking office. Despite this thread being devoid of facts and reality, this should at least be noted.

You still want to protect Trump that much? Exactly what has happened in the last week that has inspired any confidence in Trump? Like Jesus, there is only so much reality you can ignore.
 

DiscoJer

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Why can't we be like Russia though guys?

/s

What, don't you remember the 1990s? There were all sorts of crazy rumors about people the Clintons had killed to keep from talking.

Vince Foster was the one that talk radio people would get worked up about in particular.

Kind of poetic justice to see this happening to Trump, considering he was one of the people who pushed that absurd theory.
 
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