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N. Korea agrees to give up nuclear program

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/09/19/korea.north.talks/index.html


BEIJING, China (CNN) -- Nearly three years after ordering U.N. nuclear inspectors out of the country, North Korea Monday agreed to give up its entire nuclear program, including weapons, a joint statement from six-party nuclear arms talks in Beijing said.
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The joint statement also includes a pledge that Pyongyang and Washington will "respect each other's sovereignty, exist peacefully together and take steps to normalize their relations" -- a considerable change in the tone in relations between the nations.
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well. this was completely unexpected.. i feel like i am in bizarro world or something.
 
Macam said:
That's nice. I give it three weeks before the administration fucks it up.
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:lol We're such cynical fucks aren't we? Hopefully it'll last, but I won't hold my breath. And NK must've made out like bandits on something.
 
Sheit china doesnt have time for lil pissed off N Korea fucking up their region, im glad they solved the problem before bush went in 6 shooters blazin.
 
Shinobi said:
And NK must've made out like bandits on something.
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That's what I'm thinking.

Hopefully, they "managed to rangle" to support for this...
The World Food Program has said that North Korea is headed toward the worst humanitarian food crisis since the mid 1990s, when an estimated 1 million North Koreans died. WFP says 6.5 million North Koreans desperately need food aid.
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Umm, this is kind of like the Iraqi constitution, in that many of the harder questions are simply postponed under this current agreement.

For instance, NK demanded a civilian nuclear power plant, obviously the US, which feels its the only one entitled to a cleaner source of electricity, doesn't really want it, but they simply avoided that question and have left it unresolved in order to provide better PR at this point.
 
yes yes of course its the US's fault yet again...sorry but even china was sick of those nutballs...i should say nutball talk about power going to your head. NK has fired ordinance at japan, kidnaps japanese people, and ...they are technically still at war with SK what do you want the US to do? Its not like we didnt provide aide to them before even with their past record.
 
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If it actually works, makes you wonder what would have happened had Kerry been elected and abandoned multi-nation talks for uni-lateral talks. I always thought he discounted the usefulness of China.

+1 current administration (they still suck though ;) )
 
I'm always surprised by the whole NK issue. This game NK is playing is nothing new. As long as they have an oil supply they will behave. As soon as they dont they start the whole nuke thing. It's just routine, or ordinary business. It's just all the media hype that turns it into a hot button topic.
 
Was it phrased something like this?

"Sure, we will give up the nuclear program. All the weapons are packed up and ready for pick-up. Just come into this basement to take them, UN."
 
fugimax said:
If it actually works, makes you wonder what would have happened had Kerry been elected and abandoned multi-nation talks for uni-lateral talks. I always thought he discounted the usefulness of China.

+1 current administration (they still suck though ;) )
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Bush didn't do shit. - 1 current administration :lol
 
North Korea abandons its nuclear program and yet the all knowing, all powerful junior diplomats of GAF still aren't impressed. How many of you work in government again? :lol
 
Again? North Korea has been saying this and going back on it over and over and over for what, 10+ years now?
 
from what i've been able to gleem most of this diplomatic success is due to China's most recent efforts. i'd be interested in seeing the complete financial package that NK would be receiving for pulling back its program, and whether any of it will ever find its way out of Pyongyang.

most telling statement has to be the positive message from the US stating that it has no deisre at regime change or military hostility towards NK and its leadership. i almost did a double take upon reading that.
 
no oil. amirite?

anywho, I thought this was an onion article at first glance. wow, i'm pretty shocked right now.
 
NK got what they wanted out of this all along... they could care less about their nuclear program in the larger scheme of things.
 
Iceman said:
no oil. amirite?

anywho, I thought this was an onion article at first glance. wow, i'm pretty shocked right now.
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Only without the hillarious story!

I'm willing to bet China played a rather big role in this..

Its a shame we are not more open to each other, Nuclear is a great source of energy, it just has the unfortunate sideeffect of being a weapon.
 
fugimax said:
If it actually works, makes you wonder what would have happened had Kerry been elected and abandoned multi-nation talks for uni-lateral talks. I always thought he discounted the usefulness of China.
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China wanted us to have unilateral talks, which Kerry respected. Whether or not things would have been different in the end is not for me to say.
 
DarienA said:
NK got what they wanted out of this all along... they could care less about their nuclear program in the larger scheme of things.
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not true at all - the text refers to NK being supplied with 'light-water reactor' technology by the other signatories at a later/unspecified date, a clause that in the past was the biggest block in getting any agreement. as it is this appears only to be an initial agreement, with specific negotiations involving the amount/level/speed of disarmament and a transition to peaceful, fully-monitored nuclear technology not close to being settled.
 
And in another 5 years NK is just going to claim that they have nukes again, and then try to extort the US for more handouts to keep their regime alive. We then have to go thru this same crap all over again.

Why do people think this is any sort of real "solution"? It's a game to them and NK has the rest of the world by the balls.
 
For instance, NK demanded a civilian nuclear power plant, obviously the US, which feels its the only one entitled to a cleaner source of electricity, doesn't really want it, but they simply avoided that question and have left it unresolved in order to provide better PR at this point
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Well, I've heard one of the "catches" is that SK is offering NK up to 40% of their own of electrical supply. I guess SK is willing to really bend over backwards for the sake of "peace"....
 
I personally think that NK was holding out for humanitarian aid, but then saw how we handled Katrina and they were like "Oh screw that!"
 
teiresias said:
For instance, NK demanded a civilian nuclear power plant, obviously the US, which feels its the only one entitled to a cleaner source of electricity...
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Yes, the big bad US doesn't want any other country on Earth to have nuclear power. Except for the 30+ countries currently operating commercial plants. Poor, innocent North Korea is the misunderstood darling of the world who only desires a safe & clean source of civilian use. Why doesn't anyone but you & me understand this?!?!! Choke yourself.
 
scorcho said:
most telling statement has to be the positive message from the US stating that it has no deisre at regime change or military hostility towards NK and its leadership. i almost did a double take upon reading that.
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seriously, there is weird talk on all sides.. maybe they got together and smoked some really good herb?
 
scorcho said:
most telling statement has to be the positive message from the US stating that it has no deisre at regime change or military hostility towards NK and its leadership. i almost did a double take upon reading that.
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Well there's not much profit from such a war, and there would be too many losses. Plus, it's easier to coax the Christian right to fight a war in the Middle East rather than the Far East.
 
Fight for Freeform said:
Well there's not much profit from such a war, and there would be too many losses. Plus, it's easier to coax the Christian right to fight a war in the Middle East rather than the Far East.
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Thats it! There's more of that jaded cynicism grounded on completely arbitrary opinion. I was wondering where it went since I hadn't seenin the past...22 minutes on these boards. Whew! A relief thats over.
 
Hey, if you think ANYTHING that I said in that statement is wrong, please point it out. I'd be willing to completely change my opinion if you could show that it is wrong.

Remember:
1) Not much profit in a war with NK
2) Massive losses to the US military
3) Harder to convince Christian Right to support the war
 
Fight for Freeform said:
Hey, if you think ANYTHING that I said in that statement is wrong, please point it out. I'd be willing to completely change my opinion if you could show that it is wrong.

Remember:
1) Not much profit in a war with NK
2) Massive losses to the US military
3) Harder to convince Christian Right to support the war
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The thing about your statement is, you make it about "the Christian Right", when it can just as easily read "Plus, it's easier to coax the American public to fight a war in the Middle East rather than the Far East."

It's quite true to say that because of higher potential casualties and less perceived vital interests in the region, it's harder to get Americans to fight a war in NK over the Middle East, but you don't always have to drag the "Christian Right" into it :P
 
Boogie said:
The thing about your statement is, you make it about "the Christian Right", when it can just as easily read "Plus, it's easier to coax the American public to fight a war in the Middle East rather than the Far East."

It's quite true to say that because of higher potential casualties and less perceived vital interests in the region, it's harder to get Americans to fight a war in NK over the Middle East, but you don't always have to drag the "Christian Right" into it :P
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Do note that I differentiate between Christians, and the Christian Right, as in those who are extremely politically active. The Christian Right's support was important because they are active in a political sense.

Many churches and church organizations have been publically against the Iraq War, for moral reasons. But the Christian Right sees Islam and the Middle East as an enemy, and trying to coax them to fight North Korea is much harder to do.
 
that little blurb that was buried in the glowing reports of NK's disarmament has finally become the story - http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/20/asia/web.0920korea.php
BEIJING China on Tuesday urged all countries in the North Korea nuclear disarmament talks to stick to commitments, after Pyongyang said it won't dismantle its nuclear weapons program until it gets light-water reactors.

The six nations participating in recently concluded talks should ''solemnly implement their commitments in a serious manner so as to realize the peaceful denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula,'' Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said.

North Korea said Tuesday it won't dismantle its nuclear weapons program until the United States gives it nuclear reactors to generate power — immediately casting doubt on a breakthrough agreement a day earlier at international arms talks.

Washington rejected the North's demand and urged it to abide by the pact, in which the communist nation pledged to abandon its weapons program and rejoin the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty ''at an early date.''

Asked if Pyongyang might have misunderstood the order of commitments laid out in the statement, Qin said: ''The common statement was adopted by all six parties and I don't think North Korea has any misunderstanding.''
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yesterday's announcement was essentially a statement of principle and little else. it really is up to China to keep both the US and NK on the same page.
 
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