http://nypost.com/2017/02/02/neil-gorsuch-started-fascism-forever-club-in-high-school/
I mean, it could be an incredibly awful yearbook joke.
Or it could be totally serious. Who knows.
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Neil Gorsuch (maybe) started Fascism Forever Club in high school
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http://nypost.com/2017/02/02/neil-gorsuch-started-fascism-forever-club-in-high-school/
I mean, it could be an incredibly awful yearbook joke.
Or it could be totally serious. Who knows.
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Even crazier
Normally I wouldn't care terribly much about dredging up people's college shit and using it as an attack, but the fact that it's pro-fascism and he's being nominated by someone with some really big fascist tendencies just makes me sigh.
Also, starting a club against the "left-wing" tendencies of faculty at a Jesuit prep school just sounds all kinds of nuts.
Also, starting a club against the "left-wing" tendencies of faculty at a Jesuit prep school just sounds all kinds of nuts.
TangoAlphaLima
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FYI, this is what happens in confirmation hearings. The appointee's past is an open book.
I bet you think this is actually a good comparison.
Dark Cloud
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Shouldn't this be tweeted out to the democrats and people to see?
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Confirmation hearings are going to be ridiculous in a few decades when you have their old MySpace profiles and Facebook statuses to comb through
The danger is when you take what was a game into real life and also if you just happen to be in a position where you could seriously fuck the lives of many generations to come. heh
Nexus Zero
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I can understand the cognitive dissonance of the alt-right in regards to fascism, but I just don't get people who are flatly in favour of it. How could someone be as passionate about fascism as others are about freedom? What kind of shit do they dream of?
djplaeskool
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An unguarded social media presence is the clearest window to the soul.
I'm ok with that... People want to share their terrible opinions publicly they can wear that failure with pride
Power and dominating others
Ricky Ricardo
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Hehe guys, it's all good. Most of us do this kind of thing in video games anyways.
*Ignores the fact that this is, possibly/allegedly, a mindset developed in the formative years of a current Supreme Court of the United States nominee.
It's all just laughs guys!
Bony Manifesto
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The New York Post sourcing the Daily Mail? Is there not a more reputable publication confirming this?
IggyChooChoo
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Purity, strength, and order for the good. Violent punishment for the bad and weak.
It's why I can't ever run for President unless Trump goes down in flames. "Sir, at one point you called the president of the united states Comrade Orange Julius. And in another post you said he should 'go fuck himself' after he pulled out of Milwaukee because of protest concerns."
I know that. At a certain point though your past may not actually represent you. Then again I'm not entirely sure a staunchly conservative guy appointed by a fascist has really demonstrable proof he's far enough away from the person who started a fascist fan club and railed against leftist tendencies of Jesuit teachers...
Roberto Larcos
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I mean, the NY Post is News Corp. Don't expect good journalism.
As for the story itself, I'm tempted (in this case) to say it's not an issue. Students are notorious for leaning strongly towards one end of the spectrum or the other. If there's no note of anything fascist past his school life, then it's probably safe to assume that he dropped that particular ideology.
When I was a teenager, I was in favour of communism. I'm centrist Liberal now.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I think 10+ years of rulings probably give a better idea to who this guy is than a pretend club he claimed to be president of in his high school yearbook.
The yearbook photos not a good enough source?
I hope trumps Australia antics might persuade Murdoch to go an an anti trump tear.
More than power I think it's control. They don't see things going their way and they want to impose their view or their behaviour on others. Autarchism and fascism are basically the same thing.
gutter_trash
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I can see why he is Bannon's favorite
wild wild rice
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This won't gain any traction because a) it was something he did in high school and b) he is saying exactly what his base wants to hear.
Don't expect any significant blowback.
Don't expect any significant blowback.
So you don't think it's something he should be asked about in his confirmation hearing? If it was a high school joke or some such, he should at least be the one to have to explain that.
Roberto Larcos
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Trump is Murdoch's wet dream.
TangoAlphaLima
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The Dems are probably going to filibuster Gorsuch no matter what dirt is uncovered on him, so Trump will have to offer a different nominee.
(And the Dems shouldn't make this easy for Trump, given what McConnell and crew did leaving Scalia's vacancy open for nearly a year.)
Already Torn
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Do we know it's a real yearbook? Like if I were to make a fake yearbook it would look exactly like that, but with more subtle quotes.
jellies_two
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There are so many worthy judges to choose
And they choose one who was president of a fascists club because he found political correctness _on campus_ too hard to bear.
Is that necessary? To actually find probably the only qualified person with a tasteless Kissinger quote, and who founded a fascists club. Really? Are they so so safe and secure with power that they feel it's fine to troll 50% of the population to this extent.
Incompetants or pure evil. Can still go either way on this.
And they choose one who was president of a fascists club because he found political correctness _on campus_ too hard to bear.
Is that necessary? To actually find probably the only qualified person with a tasteless Kissinger quote, and who founded a fascists club. Really? Are they so so safe and secure with power that they feel it's fine to troll 50% of the population to this extent.
Incompetants or pure evil. Can still go either way on this.
TangoAlphaLima
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If it's real, it should be very easy to verify. It's not like there's only one copy of his high school yearbook out there.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I still don't understand how he can be both an originalist ( original intent of FF) and a textualist (no intent, just what is written).
That's like the biggest contradiction ever. He will pick and choose every time to fit party over principle (he as contradictory principles!!!!)
Also:
"Gorsuch has opined that giving money to politicians while running campaigns is a "fundamental right" that should be afforded the highest standard of constitutional protection, known as strict scrutiny."
Riddle v. Hickenlooper, 742 F.3d 922, 93132 (10th Cir. 2014) (Gorsuch, J., concurring).
Don't expect our political system to be fixed any time soon through the SC. Shit needs to be a constitutional amendment.
That's like the biggest contradiction ever. He will pick and choose every time to fit party over principle (he as contradictory principles!!!!)
Also:
"Gorsuch has opined that giving money to politicians while running campaigns is a "fundamental right" that should be afforded the highest standard of constitutional protection, known as strict scrutiny."
Riddle v. Hickenlooper, 742 F.3d 922, 93132 (10th Cir. 2014) (Gorsuch, J., concurring).
Don't expect our political system to be fixed any time soon through the SC. Shit needs to be a constitutional amendment.
Arrogant Bastard
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Nah, Gorsuch wasn't in some run down public highschool. He was highly educated at a prep school and knew exactly what Fascism was, this isn't the typical I'm edgy bro.
Very little changes for these kids as they are groomed early on with a specific track planned out.
Bony Manifesto
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In this era of fake news from right wing publications, I'd say probably not!
I'm just shocked that people are applying no scrutiny at all to this because it's something that jibes with their existing view. Anything - no matter how plausible - claimed by any of Murdoch's publications needs to be thoroughly fact-checked before it's established as truth.
I've wondered the same thing. To me the two principles seem diametrically opposed.
OG Shaka Zulu
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These aren't Photoshops right?
jellies_two
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Murdoch is not immune from getting sued for libel and has lost before, this is not vague, if it's untrue he should sue the shit out of Murdoch and he will win.
My money is that it's not invented.
if the name of the club is spoken in the senate in relation to Gorsuch it will be a big deal. dunno if it'd be enough to derail the nomination. hard to guess at things because we've entered the dark forest
TangoAlphaLima
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Snopes confirms the one with the Kissinger quote.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Believer in the World According to Ward?
Committee to reform The Beast?
Committee to reform The Beast?
One Eyed Willy
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Pretty much
When I was in high school, I wanted to join the IRA and the Palestinians in their struggle against their oppressors.
I knew next to nothing about each conflict.
That being said, I certainly didn't have the text "IRA Supporter" under my yearbook photo.
I'm not sure what my point is.
I knew next to nothing about each conflict.
That being said, I certainly didn't have the text "IRA Supporter" under my yearbook photo.
I'm not sure what my point is.
Laevateinn
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I refuse to choose fascism even in Civilization.
Palette Swap
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I don't think the point is (or should be) "he said/participated in some weird shit when he was young, block him", it's more "add this to the shitload of things he'll be asked about".
The point of these confirmation hearings is that you're choosing someone who will contribute in shaping America for decades, so very intense scrutiny is only due diligence. You don't handwave anything.
The point of these confirmation hearings is that you're choosing someone who will contribute in shaping America for decades, so very intense scrutiny is only due diligence. You don't handwave anything.
Jesuits are pretty left-wing, actually. Like most Catholics in general, however, they don't bind unerringly to one side of the political spectrum (social justice teachings and anti-death penalty are strongly liberal traits in the US, anti-abortion and general reproductive policy much more conservative.)
As to the topic on hand, people do lots of stupid stuff in school, but at some point it still does reflect on you. If his yearbook was a bunch of "smoke weed everyday" shit I'd be inclined to chalk it up to youthful stupidity, but I think being part of a pro-fascism club is a bit beyond the pale.
Also a good point. The yearbook is just one thing to throw on the pile.
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