Given the scope of NES - PS360 gen, I will be generous.
There sheer magnitude of of quality from NES - PS360 blows away the best indie games, past and present in quality and quantity.
I played most of it. Obviously I enjoyed it but I would rather play a new game before I die.
I think the sheer number of hidden games and lesser known titles, spread across from the NES - 360 could last a lifetime.
Nintendo Online and the way Nintendo handles (not good) distribution of retro games, is not the best way to gauge older consoles.
The amount of classics heck on the SNES - N64/PS1 gen alone, would beat the modern indie games inspired from by classics.
Do you like SNES games?
It's still being developed, but a single dev is creating:
Cronos is an indie game. Its on Unreal 5.A game like Killzone 2 which is nearly 20 years old, would be an achievement for a modern indie game to pull off in production and size.
Tricky Madness is a copycat that is far away from the quality of the source it's borrowing from.
Chronos is from Bloober, it's an AA.
We clarified in post 2 what counts as indie. It means self published. Cronos is 100% an indie game. Now you're changing the rules since you don't like anything that counters your point.
Even if Chronos is self published, it's still not on the level of say Dead Space or BioShock in terms of production values.
Thats your opinion. Just thought it was a solid counterpoint to Killzone. A lot of people actually think Indies are only 8bit games and that isn't true.
Yes, because Expedition and other self-published "indies" don't represent 99.9% of actual indies.
Doesn't matter obviously. Just matters that they're indie. Under the rules of your game, I'd be able to play it.
Also, indies under the current form you describe them as were irrelevant until maybe the last 5 - 10 years.
What about Atomic Heart and its upcoming sequels?
And every AAA game is a game everyone just has to play..... sure.
Its hypothetical game. You choose one or the other. I dont know why you would even make the thread if it's inconceivable that anyone would choose the options you don't agree with.
You set the rules. Does a studio later getting acquired invalidate their original self published games from when they were small teams?
Small teams built the industry, correct.
Some of them but I still wouldn't be bothered I couldn't play them ever again.
Your first post has a list of "indie" games. The Alters is in there which is 11 Bit Studio which is about 300 people. Are they Indie or AA? You're the one setting the rules and now complaining.
They take contract work for years with publisher funding. They hire people and get experience. Then they risk it all on an indie game and fund it themselves to own their own IP.
I remember how much of the libraries of those systems were worse than most indie games today with sub 100 players on steam.
Exactly, in no conceivable metrics are there better indie games than that entire span.
You would also have entire PC library from before November 2014, as well as Saturn, Dreamcast, etc…
Not sure what Steam has to do with any of this.
It can be classified as one, although there is wasn't a term for indie back then really.
Many of the indie titles of today that have had fewer than 100 players on Steam are much better games than a large chunk of the early console library you'd have access to in your scenario.
Steam now has Retroarch!
That's less of an issue when you consider that every year there are now as many/more games released as that entire time period in history - on steam alone.
No. But neither is Dave the diver, to give a modern example. Which is to say both options miss out a lot of quality software.
The funny thing here is that one day people bemoan death of AA because they can't accept AAs coming from indie studios that aren't owned by big 3, the next we're not considering them indie because well...
Insane thing to say, lmao.
