• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

Status
Not open for further replies.
Imtjnotu

Imtjnotu

Member
onesvenus said:
Yup Microsoft has bought Bethesda but please, take a look at how many exclusive third party games have been announced for the PS5 and how many for the Xbox.
Do you really think Sony did not buy any exclusive? 🤦‍♂️
Click to expand...
Meme Reaction GIF by MOODMAN
 
Imtjnotu

Imtjnotu

Member
onesvenus said:
Do you really think a publisher does a game exclusively for a console out of good will?
Look at the PS5 games announcements and you'll see lots of "temporal exclusivity".

I know this is mostly a Sony-fanboy forum but come on, are you guys really so naive?
Click to expand...
Lol don't let me trolling get to you man.

Of course sony money hats are nut game sales on PS vs Xbox also have alot to do with it.

Say FF7 for instance. If it came to both were looking at what? Roughly 70-30 split?
 
Neo Blaster

Neo Blaster

Member
arvfab said:
They released Dreams last year, Destruction All-Stars 2 months ago and their next exclusives are Returnal and Ratchet and Clank. Can somebody tell me, which of them is a multi-million seller?
Click to expand...
R&F I can understand, it's the first title to market what PS5 can do that last gen couldn't, but Returnal will suffer the burden of being a Sony exclusive although it's the first venture from Housemarque into the big budget games world.
 
SlimySnake

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
arvfab said:
I also can't understand all this "bashing" (don't know how to call it) based on rumors, essentially. Or did we get any concrete proof about what Schreier wrote?
Click to expand...
Schrier is as legit as you get. His track record speaks for himself. The internet, especially the anti woke crowd here on gaf has a hate boner for him, but when he does these exposes, he's always been on the mark. He called the cyberpunk development fiasco months before it launched. IIRC, he had devs saying that the game was literally a year away from being finished and now we know that to be true.

He was right about Anthem. He was right about Andromeda. And most importantly, he called the last of us 2 development issues months in advance. He even had people telling him that the new cast of characters (who we now know to be Abby and her awful crew) were not testing well with focus testers. I mean how we can we not trust what he says after getting such an integral thing right?

I dont agree with his stance on crunch culture. thats just true for all of entertainment companies. but when it comes to these behind the scenes scoops, he is not just the best but also literally the only one doing these articles. I find it funny that we bash journalists for sucking up to publishers and as soon as one guy decides to take them on and do an expose, we turn on him.
 
ethomaz

ethomaz

Banned
TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
I know you're not this dense, so I'll ask... how do charts showing decreasing sales prove these divisions are loss-making?
Click to expand...
Sony started to have profit for the first time in Years with Xperia in 2020.
I don't know if that is what you guys are discussing but right now Xperia is profitable.
It was not in the previous years.

They had a plan to decrease the number of Xperia phones shipped to reach profit... and they are on track to reach it for FY2020.

Sony-Q3-FY21-EPS-Results-640x364.png
 
Last edited:
V

Vagos48

Member
TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
I know you're not this dense, so I'll ask... how do charts showing decreasing sales prove these divisions are loss-making?
Click to expand...
There is a factor that is called accumulated loss. If you lose money for 5 years , then coming end of fiscal of each year, this loss should be addressed either by capital injection by investors or by loans. A business is considered viable if reported earnings can cover this accumulated loss in order to pay the loans or return the capital investment previously mentioned. Sales figures show that what ever earnings are reported are insignificant to the losses sustained. Sony may choose to pursuit this activities , but sooner or later they cannot be sustained .
 
J

jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
ethomaz said:
Posted? BC game (miss PS5 features like 120Hz mode) but better Shadows and framerate on PS5.

Click to expand...

Mods closed a thread with these ppl as the source because of errors with their results.

I think its safe to say they are unreliable.
 
Last edited:
Mr Moose

Mr Moose

Member
ethomaz said:
Posted? BC game (miss PS5 features like 120Hz mode) but better Shadows (looks higher resolution) and framerate on PS5.

Click to expand...

Banned source.
Is there dynamic ToD or something? There is light reflecting off the lamp on PS5 but not in the other 2 (comparison is about 23 seconds in), weirdly only in the resolution mode it's missing? :pie_thinking: OK I watched it again and it... Moves? I haven't even started drinking yet and I am seeing things.
 
Last edited:
HeisenbergFX4

HeisenbergFX4

Member
Thirty7ven said:
How is this possible? So who gets a cut of the XBL membership etc etc

Sounds delusional.
Click to expand...

Dont know how it would work.

Xbox wanted XBL on every platform including Playstation but Sony said no.

If you believe the rumors the main reason Sony said no was because PS players would have to make a new XBL account (if they didnt have one) and log in and whispers say Sony did not want to artificially inflate XBL "users"

That is in fact the rumor from people who do not know the inner workings of said offer
 
onesvenus

onesvenus

Member
ToadMan said:
Sony sees record $10bn profit

Oh and Sony divides its business into Gaming, Music, Movies, Electronics, Imaging, Financial and Other.

Not one of those divisions is loss making at this time.
Click to expand...
Sony playing the same game as Microsoft by only giving numbers of their divisions and adding bad-performing numbers to those divisions is not a measure of them being healthy. The truth is that smartphone sales were down in 3 of the 4 quarters of the last year, movies division was also down, as expected due to Covid, and their imaging division was also down YoY on sales numbers.

It's true that revenue has been mostly flat on those divisions but let's hope they can turn those sales numbers up
 
V

Vagos48

Member
onesvenus said:
Sony playing the same game as Microsoft by only giving numbers of their divisions and adding bad-performing numbers to those divisions is not a measure of them being healthy. The truth is that smartphone sales were down in 3 of the 4 quarters of the last year, movies division was also down, as expected due to Covid, and their imaging division was also down YoY on sales numbers.

It's true that revenue has been mostly flat on those divisions but let's hope they can turn those sales numbers up
Click to expand...
www.theverge.com

Samsung reportedly inks deal to buy OLED TV panels from rival LG Display

Rising LCD panel prices are reportedly to blame.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

It will be very difficult for the Bravia Brand. Xperia, may have a bigger chance if the can capitalize on LG withdrawal.
 
ethomaz

ethomaz

Banned
onesvenus said:
Sony playing the same game as Microsoft by only giving numbers of their divisions and adding bad-performing numbers to those divisions is not a measure of them being healthy. The truth is that smartphone sales were down in 3 of the 4 quarters of the last year, movies division was also down, as expected due to Covid, and their imaging division was also down YoY on sales numbers.

It's true that revenue has been mostly flat on those divisions but let's hope they can turn those sales numbers up
Click to expand...
They decreased Xperia shipment to reach profit... it is working... they have the first profit in years with Xperia.
They basically stopped to sell low-end Xperia and are only focusing in flagships that sells less units but gives more margins (that is why the numbers are down).

Sony ships 1m Xperia smartphones in Q3 FY20; profits up | Xperia Blog

Sony released its results for its Q3 FY2020 fiscal period, which represents the three months to the end of December 2020. After a small respite in Q2 FY20, which saw Xperia smartphone shipments stabilse, the company once again experienced a
www.xperiablog.net www.xperiablog.net

I'm not sure.. .which Sony division is in trouble yet? I believe all of them recovered or are in phase of recover... some were affected by COVID-19 but that is not related to the division being in a bad shape.
 
Last edited:
TheThreadsThatBindUs

TheThreadsThatBindUs

Member
Vagos48 said:
There is a factor that is called accumulated loss. If you lose money for 5 years , then coming end of fiscal of each year, this loss should be addressed either by capital injection by investors or by loans. A business is considered viable if reported earnings can cover this accumulated loss in order to pay the loans or return the capital investment previously mentioned. Sales figures show that what ever earnings are reported are insignificant to the losses sustained. Sony may choose to pursuit this activities , but sooner or later they cannot be sustained .
Click to expand...

I'm confused... You stated their TV and mobile divisions were loss-making, posted irrelevant sales revenue charts that in no way supported your claim and now you're back peddling and moving the goalposts to talk about accumulated losses.

A company making $10B record profits is not even close to being in dire financial straits, which was the original point you were trying to imply.
 
ToadMan

ToadMan

Member
onesvenus said:
Sony playing the same game as Microsoft by only giving numbers of their divisions and adding bad-performing numbers to those divisions is not a measure of them being healthy. The truth [snipped remaining non-truths - go read an earnings report]
Click to expand...

Indeed. So when we see MS doing something about their gaming losses perhaps we’ll see Sony do something about it’s less successful product lines.
 
Last edited:
onesvenus

onesvenus

Member
ethomaz said:
They decreased Xperia shipment to reach profit... it is working... they have the first profit in years with Xperia.
They basically stopped to sell low-end Xperia and are only focusing in flagships that sells less units but gives more margins (that is why the numbers are down).
Click to expand...
Let's see if they can mantain that. They have been on a sales number decline for some quarters now.
 
geordiemp

geordiemp

Member
onesvenus said:
Sony playing the same game as Microsoft by only giving numbers of their divisions and adding bad-performing numbers to those divisions is not a measure of them being healthy. The truth is that smartphone sales were down in 3 of the 4 quarters of the last year, movies division was also down, as expected due to Covid, and their imaging division was also down YoY on sales numbers.

It's true that revenue has been mostly flat on those divisions but let's hope they can turn those sales numbers up
Click to expand...

Microsoft buying lots of things then pulling out after subsidising for too long is a common theme, look at their mobile phones. from wiki.

If gamepass does not work out....they will not subisidise forever.

While the Lumia range continued to be successful, especially with low- and mid-range devices targeting emerging markets, sales of both Microsoft-manufactured smartphones and feature phones began to see major declines, due primarily to the rapidly-deflating market share of Windows Phone. In 2015, Microsoft took a US$7.8 billion write-down on the Nokia purchase, and announced layoffs of 7,800 employees, primarily within Microsoft's phone business. In May 2016, Microsoft abandoned its mobile business
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
V

Vagos48

Member
TheThreadsThatBindUs said:
I'm confused... You stated their TV and mobile divisions were loss-making, posted irrelevant sales revenue charts that in no way supported your claim and now you're back peddling and moving the goalposts to talk about accumulated losses.

A company making $10B record profits is not even close to being in dire financial straits, which was the original point you were trying to imply.
Click to expand...
No , the point is that Sony cannot afford to slowdown Playstation, cause it supports the electronics problematic divisions. On the contrary Microsoft will be able to support the XBOX even at loss cause they make a great deal of money elsewhere. That's why Jim Ryan does what he does. That's the point.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

I asked ChatGPT to build a PC thats equivalent to the PS5 Pro, this was it's response
Analysis 2 3
144
9K
sendit replied
PS5 Pro Reveal Reaction - Tech, Specs, Games, Price - A DF Direct Special
2 3
130
7K
Salty Pickle replied
AMD RDNA 5 To Be A Completely New GPU Architecture From The Ground Up, RDNA 4 Mostly Fixes RDNA 3 Issues & Improves Ray Tracing
News Rumor Hardware 2 3
130
9K
Rickyiez replied
Was 8 CPU cores enough for 9th gen consoles? Strix Halo, the prefect console.
Opinion Analysis 2
62
5K
Tertullian replied
Tom Warren - Sony’s PS5 Pro is real and Sony is asking developers to get games ready over the summer, with a push for ray-tracing support
News Hardware Hype 2 3 4
189
21K
HeisenbergFX4 replied
Top Bottom