SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
You will be back.
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LED Guy?
Banned
Just made this tweet and folks, listen to the video, it seems like John Linneman from Digital Foundry is saying TFLOPS on paper aren't that important and that it may not be as suggested on paper, this podcast just ended hours ago......
I know this thread and the tweet that I made are gonna get a whole lot of COW SHIT STORM!! 
But it is the truth.
I know this thread and the tweet that I made are gonna get a whole lot of COW SHIT STORM!! But it is the truth.
Metroiddarks
Member
OK that kind of people are disgusting
pasterpl
Member
this is some next gen reaching, any links/sources for any of your statements or is this all a tale from your arse?
PC market is shrinking, I don't know many people are using PC's and laptops except professionals and some gamers. You can even video edit 4K on iPad Pro now. Just a reality check:
Those 2 charts are in 2011
Here, have this as well:
Ok, we'll wait and see anyway. I'll drop it here.
just FYI there was a growth recorded for the first time in 11 years in 2019
but overall statement is correct, pc market is shrinking, I am just Wondering if these stats include info about pc hardware components sales, pc master race don't update their whole machines but usually work on component by component basisplease not that pc gamers , as a group is Showing yoy increases
Global PC gamers by age 2020 | Statista
The statistic presents the number of active PC gamers worldwide in 2020.
www.statista.com
The Global Games Market Will Generate $152.1 Billion in 2019 as the U.S. Overtakes China as the Biggest Market | Newzoo
Find some key insights from Newzoo's 2019 Global Games Market Report, featuring a special focus on the new numbers.
newzoo.com
TLZ
Banned
Just made this tweet and folks, listen to the video, it seems like John Linneman from Digital Foundry is saying TFLOPS on paper aren't that important and that it may not be as suggested on paper, this podcast just ended hours ago......
But it is the truth.
Why does it say
brap
on there
pasterpl
Member
Have you used Windows before? If not, I've been using it since 1996. Ask someone how he feels about it compared to Mac and Linux. Microsoft is dropping Windows and favoring Linux for their servers lately as well, and might even shift totally to Linux:
2001: Linux is cancer, says Microsoft. 2019: Hey friends, ah, can we join the official linux-distros mailing list, plz?
Windows giant cheered on by Linux Foundation as it seeks membership of private security-focused message boardwww.theregister.co.uk
They are a software-based company with some hardware work, Sony is a hardware-based company with some software work and superior gaming history.
By the way, they are not PC's, they're consoles, and I have a life and I'm humble.
i am user of Linux, Mac and Windows, and Windows, for me, is by far the most balanced system out of 3 (it is sure not my favourite), there are some unique use cases when Mac or Linux have advantages (that's why I use all of these os'es), but Windows is by far the best day-to-day os. Yes, it has a lot of flaws, and it can be annoying as hell.
btw. most of my devices are within apple ecosystem
What is this rational/reasonable shit doin' in here. GTFO
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Agnostic2020
Member
Pathetic. I don't understand why the hell he is in every PS thread and hasn't been banned yet .
I m sure if they look into his post history his majority of posts are in PS threads .makes u wonder if he works for ms when trying this hard to organise fud spreading
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FeiRR
Banned
You will be able to, why not? But if you want to play older games, keep those consoles. I don't see a problem with that. People want a cheap new console but it has to play old games? You can't have a cookie and eat it at the same time. I've been dealing with retro hardware most of my life. If you want a retro hobby, learn how to buy smartly, fix and maintain your consoles. Old hardware isn't that fragile, it was made mostly before ROHS era so it won't break that quickly. It's also cheap in most cases as consoles are produced in millions.
The thing is, most people buy a TV first to watch television and a console is the second or third option. I don't think 1080 TVs are that much cheaper now if you want something nice but if you already have one, why would you change if the only 4k content is Netflix and gaming? I mean, I bought my TV exactly when I switched to PS4 Pro and I have no interest in television but I'm not a norm. Same with Internet: why would you pay for 1 GiB if 200 MiB is enough? I used to pay for 600/60 but then I realized that I was wasting 20 EUR a month for nothing and downgraded to 300/30. Because you don't need that speed even if you're a demanding user. It's difficult to find a server to saturate such connection. And now, with everyone sitting at home, the whole infrastructure is even worse. I get 100-150 MiB/s during a workday. So I'd be wasting even more money. 1 GiB/s means you need a fibre directly to your socket so companies have to invest heavily in infrastructure. Right now there's no point in that, it'll come in a few years.
It's a very popular misconception that open world games cannot look as good as other genres. It's not a problem with technology but rather with resources of a studio to create many different assets for an open-world game to look as good as its one-path counterpart. You're right about game logic and interactions with environment but it'd probably take no more than 10% of the power. The biggest trick here is there are no character models. Even in a first-person game you have a player model (except for a few walking sims) because you see your hands, a gun, etc. There are also other characters in games and those models take a lot of polygons, textures and animations. By the way, this demo is a narrow corridor example, just looks more open.
There are still 2 billion PCs, mostly at offices. You cannot do office work on an Ipad. And most of them run Windows because there's a lot of business software which doesn't run anywhere else. Microsoft has a tight grip on the OS market and office software which doesn't seem to be possible to change right now. But it doesn't mean they'll be fine in other markets, like consoles/hardware. Just see how they royally fucked Xbox One, first with Kinect, then with online DRM.
I also think Lockhart will fail. People just look at the price and they announce a winner. Who looks at the price? Everyday consumer who doesn't care much about graphics and a poorer consumer who still wants a console but can't afford the top model. Both will be put off by Microsoft's subscription model which, I'm sure, will be tied to Lockhart. The first group will say that 10 EUR a month for a selection of games they won't even play is not a good idea. They want 1-2 games like FIFA a year, not some "give me your money every month" thing. The second will look at the CC card requirement and simply go away. Those people might buy a base PS4 which will still be available for years, for a lower price, no subscription, cheap games on disks, no Internet requirement, no attachment to the company. If you have a financial problem, you can always sell the console with games or at least put it in the closet and it costs you nothing. If you have a sub, you have to pay it or you lose all games. It's not a good offer for majority of the world. Lockhart will sell a bit in the US/UK, maybe 10 or 20 million and that's it. Devs will be pissed if they have to make separate versions of games just for it (extra work, little profit) so I can see a lot of them just skipping it.
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Gamerguy84
Member
Linux and Windows for me. Mostly linux though and I use Ubuntu and Kali.
pasterpl
Member
i've used to use Ubuntu and kali, now I have moved solely to kali (now via vm on my Mac but used to have dedicated thinkapad for it)l Ubuntu is a great os, IMO the most accessible Linux distro but it wasn't getting enough use in my household
PocoJoe
Banned
Not the dude you are demanding for sources but this is kind of "common sense is source enough" kind of deal, or should be.
I mean, the PS3 vs PS5 argument is stupid as fuck.
PS3 -> CELL were powerful yet really difficult to program, memory architecture were difficult also, GPU were kind of shitty and NVIDIA screwed Sony
PS5 -> Engineered to be simple, fast and easy to dev games (Cerny + many devs as sources), doesn't have "really fast but really hard to code stuff". SSD on PS5 isnt anything difficult for devs if it is what Cerny told to us, 3D audio isnt that difficult either with right tools and they dont have to use 3D if they dont want to and thats about it. And high clock speeds strategy should be fine, Sony is hardware company after all.
Only morons look at PS5 and find a way to say "lol CELL all again" when there is literally nothing comparable to difficulties of PS3 to be seen.
And those that shout out these crazy claims should give the solid evidence, not the other way around. Consoles arent even out yet and some think that they know by looking at PS5 specs that it is somehow difficult, yet most devs and presentations say that it is the opposite.
So on conclusion this "ps5 -> cell" is just another desperate xbot fanatic strategy because they just cant handle reality of PS5 being already much popular on polls even with less GPU power.
It just doesnt make any sense that Sony would engineer a console that is fucking difficult to code to again, and nothing in specs / reveal so far indicates that it would be anything but really easy system to dev with APIs and tech to make it easy to use SSD and other features without having to tinker with them on low level
Gamerguy84
Member
I have 2 computers in my home that run Windows and linux dual boot. I use Ununtu while the rest of my family use Windows.
I use Kali at work for the obvious reasons. With a Win VM installed of course lol.
Wow, man, I'm really shocked! Most homes around here at least have one 4K TV, although all channels are now either 1080p or 1080i with rare 4K channels (subscription), and our national Oman TV as I'm told is 4K-ready but it's still not cost efficient from a satellite perspective, I guess. And you get hundreds of free 1080p channels, no subscriptions. Very few are still 1080i but the lesser broadcast through an antenna is still around 540p I guess. I watch most of the content in 4K when available on youtube, but can't watch 4K@60fps smoothly because I only have 16Mbps ADSL, but fiber optics are being planted around my neighborhood now and should be ready by next June then I might upgrade to 4K netflix. The Sultan lately ordered all telecom companies to feed even remote and rural villages with internet, mostly ADSL+5G/4G at first then fiber-optics. Previously I thought 1Tbps is the norm in Germany like few years back.
1080p looks better on 4K as well, and in general it's pretty cheap for casually watching TV. For example, this 55" 4K Android TV is only 120 OMR ($312 USD), saw it in person and it's really good:
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Well I can only speak about the bubble I live in, but from what I get is that not a lot of people don´t care about TVs. You can get 4K, 40 inch TVs for 250€ or you have those who go into the next electronic market and buy the cheapest and biggest TV that they can get ~500€ for 65 inch, 4K TV. Than there is also the trend that some people just don´t watch TV anymore. I am one of them,. I have cable but my TV isn´t hooked to the connection. I just don´t watch TV and I have an OLED TV. I just game on it and watch Netflix and Disney+ or sometimes the publich TV channels through their app. Also this is why we see a huge push from tv companies for launching their apps for smartphones and tablets and because a lot of young people don´t watch that much TV anymore. The classic TV in Germany is slowly phasing out.
avarage usage in min/day
Age 14-29:
TV 82 min (~cut in half in the last 10 years)
Internet (Youtube, Netflix, etc ) 201 min
Age 30-49:
TV 176 min
Internet (Youtube, Netflix, etc ) 91 min
Age 50+
TV 318 min
Internet (Youtube, Netflix, etc ) 35 min
The internet is doing fine. Of course you have a slow internet connection in rural areas and towns or sometimes in big towns. For me I have a 100Mbit/s connection and I could order 1000Mbit/s for 50€/m, but I don´t need it.
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Thanks for being spokeperson for entire world
I won't say anybody what to think about Lockhart, because everybody has mind of it's own. Or i think. But for me Lockhart is and ideal solution for secondary console in household for my daughter. So if it's real, and if it will be around 300€, Microsoft has happy customer. Better to spend 800€ for two consoles than 1000€.
Captain Hero
The Spoiler Soldier
The level of obsession on next gen is beyond my understanding.. people is focusing on things like RT and the reflection of a tree on that lake .. the lighting and the shadows .. the textures of that mountains rock from a far distance etc ..
And they forgot about the excitement of having a new console with a new controller, better games and new ways to build worlds thanks to SSDs in next gen consoles , we will enjoy the next gen and I'm afraid that many will get shocked because they raise their expectations too high and when something is missing then what ? .. ruin your time ? Or wasting it on shit console war ?
think again my dear ..
Most of the insiders and members just want to see the world of gaming just burning with twist and lies .. many threads but all have the same purpose and that would be Hate each other and defend a favorite company
And they forgot about the excitement of having a new console with a new controller, better games and new ways to build worlds thanks to SSDs in next gen consoles , we will enjoy the next gen and I'm afraid that many will get shocked because they raise their expectations too high and when something is missing then what ? .. ruin your time ? Or wasting it on shit console war ?
think again my dear ..
Most of the insiders and members just want to see the world of gaming just burning with twist and lies .. many threads but all have the same purpose and that would be Hate each other and defend a favorite company
FeiRR
Banned
I don't want to sound mean but what is your daughter going to play on an Xbox console. Shooters, racers? Is she really into them? Why not a Switch with games like Animal Crossing. If I had children, a Nintendo console would be my first choice for them.Thanks for being spokeperson for entire world
I won't say anybody what to think about Lockhart, because everybody has mind of it's own. Or i think. But for me Lockhart is and ideal solution for secondary console in household for my daughter. So if it's real, and if it will be around 300€, Microsoft has happy customer. Better to spend 800€ for two consoles than 1000€.
I thought about it too, but for now GamePass offers enough suitable content for her and i don't need to split my finances into two ecosystems. If i buy CTR on one console she can play it too with one purchase.
And for me personally, Nintendo offerings doesn't scratch an itch.
jackets with pockets
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ZywyPL
Banned
The same way they are going to sell 56CU GPU with just 52 of them active, the same way AMD sells faulty 5700XT chips as regular 5700 cards, the same eay Intel/AMD/Nvidia are selling their lower tier products, and so on.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
I don't want a cheap console, so don't talk to me like I'm "people". There is this thing called life, where maybe I move from my house or even my country and I'm not bringing five or ten consoles with me. I moved 5 times in 5 years and in 2020 ain't bringing 200 devices for the same thing. And when you have 4 PS and 3 Xbox at least those consoles can be tanks as much as you want but statistically you have a lot of consoles and one of them can break. I already use emulators for arcade btw.
And at this point price has nothing to do with BC, MS and Sony solutions do not uses hardware emulators, they think to reasonably compatible architectures so software emulation is easier, and that's fine (and such system even let them make money because without the discs you need to pay the emulated game directly on their store). I can't play all PS4 games at launch? Ok, but at the very least there is the commitment to reach that point some day. Again: do not let this go, it's all I ask.
This is because scattering around the history of videogames makes harder for people to enjoy and learn from them, comodity is important otherwise all this "learn stuff" argument wouldn't exist because everyone would play on PC with a lot more old games and emulators and fuck consoles, but no.
Probably PS3, PS2 and PS1 games (when and if PS1 games will arrive) will be only on Now forever, and that's fine also, it's another type of commitment regarding the preservation of the past, but let me play as much games natively as you can, not with streaming.
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CrysisFreak
Banned
I also have a high-end OLED TV and I haven't watched a single second of TV on it. Don't plan on starting either. No TV connection needed.Well I can only speak about the bubble I live in, but from what I get is that not a lot of people don´t care about TVs. You can get 4K, 40 inch TVs for 250€ or you have those who go into the next electronic market and buy the cheapest and biggest TV that they can get ~500€ for 65 inch, 4K TV. Than there is also the trend that some people just don´t watch TV anymore. I am one of them,. I have cable but my TV isn´t hooked to the connection. I just don´t watch TV and I have an OLED TV. I just game on it and watch Netflix and Disney+ or sometimes the publich TV channels through their app. Also this is why we see a huge push from tv companies for launching their apps for smartphones and tablets and because a lot of young people don´t watch that much TV anymore. The classic TV in Germany is slowly phasing out.
avarage usage in min/day
Age 14-29:
TV 82 min (~cut in half in the last 10 years)
Internet (Youtube, Netflix, etc ) 201 min
Age 30-49:
TV 176 min
Internet (Youtube, Netflix, etc ) 91 min
Age 50+
TV 318 min
Internet (Youtube, Netflix, etc ) 35 min
The internet is doing fine. Of course you have a slow internet connection in rural areas and towns or sometimes in big towns. For me I have a 100Mbit/s connection and I could order 1000Mbit/s for 50€/m, but I don´t need it.
Yes, this was the last offtopic post
What fucking year is it who watches TV except boomers? My TV is dedicated to PC and PlayStation and it's doing a glorious job. Miss me with that 720p cable SJW shit on TV.
It's a tragedy though, here in Germany you're forced to pay 200€ per year to the state propaganda channels even if you don't watch TV at all. Makes me go nuclear.
Fuck TV so much, fuck ads and fuck the retarded shows aimed at the dumbest part of the population.
TLZ
Banned
Shouldn't they not care about their opposition at all this time and be partying and celebrating since the XSX is 12tf? I don't understand this. It's never enough for these types. That's both pathetic and creepy.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Both are stated to be custom RDNA 2, check the official specs.Is the Xbox Series X RDNA stated as RDNA 2?
Where as the PS5 is known as RDNA custom?
I have a follow up question depending on the answers.
LiquidRex
Member
So there's a possibility both consoles have features yet to appear for RDNA 3.
Saying Custom gives room either way.
FeiRR
Banned
First of all, you want to have a hobby, deal with it. Don't expect others to be willing to pay extra because you want something out of the ordinary. I don't need BC further than PS4, I'd do even without that (just keep my console) but selling it will be a nice bonus to get a few more games.
Second thing, you're wrong about software emulation. PS4 will be hardware emulated in almost 100% because staying with AMD architecture allows them to do it easily and without much added cost. Going further backwards isn't possible in hardware so for PS1/2/3 you're using an emulator. Of course Sony would like you to pay them to use that emulator in their ecosystem but you can still have older hardware and use it, nobody forbids you that. You have a problem with convenience? Well, it's your problem only, nobody else's, sorry.
Third thing: is 4000+ PS4 games confirmed by Sony to be BC at launch not enough for you? I think it's a great number, probably 95% or more of the whole PS4 library.
And finally, I'd leave history to historians, that is people who'll take care of archiving, preserving and cataloguing digital heritage for future generations. In fact, I know a lot of people who do that as a hobby or even as a job. I see no reason to sacrifice modern features of consoles so everyone should have that possibility in a single box. Most people don't want to play old games or just don't have time for that.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
I don't expect anything, I would pay more to have more, in case it's BC or power, that's my take.
But the line of "deal with it" is relative. PC gamers should just deal with it when a game is unoptimize and make a mod like DS fix or don't complain. For some performance are more important, for some old games are, plenty loved Dark Souls on consoles and it sucked but lamented about BC lacking, it's their life.
About emulation: true, but it's the same outcome: it's not about fitting a PS4 inside a PS5 and make it 100 dollars more costly, because PS5 "is" already PS4. So it's not like I totally expect BC to be more costly, anyway, so your argument of me expecting others to pay more dismantled itself. I'm expexting people to pay the same for more, which is kind of reasonable.
And for the rest of your post you are just assuming things wrong, I don't have any idea what you want from me.
I already stated that having (almost) all PS4 games on PS5 and the rest on Now is totally fine, and never said I didn't know it was a thing, my take on Bloodborne was an example.
There is no reason to sacrifice modern feature for BC, true, as PC-like consoles now let you have BC without increase much costs, so if I ask for BC maybe I'm not necessarely asking to pay more, as I hinted before saying that hardware similarities will make BC easier.
Again no idea what you want from me, you are arguing with the boomer stereotype in your head not specifically with me, I'm simply happy that PS5 is ACTUALLY bringing the majority of PS4 games regardless of PS3/2/1 and I was simply responding to another guy about BC being totally uniportant.
And I really don't know what historians have to do in this situation: they can catalogue all they want, you need far older machines to play far older games. Streaming and BC can fix that, finally, and I'm happy, because:
1: older games still have gameplay and design value.
2: history shouldn't be divided by walls when possible, for everyone.
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FeiRR
Banned
I think I might have misunderstood you because the way you word things is difficult to follow at times. No offence, just an observation. I hope you get your Demon Souls remake by Bluebyte as it's rumoured and enjoy it
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
It's probably my English, I still don't have proper native emulation for the language lol no offence for me.I think I might have misunderstood you because the way you word things is difficult to follow at times. No offence, just an observation. I hope you get your Demon Souls remake by Bluebyte as it's rumoured and enjoy it
Actually yeah, I never played Demon's Souls because it's fucking locked only on PS3 or emulators on PCs (I've a low end laptop) so here we are. Let's see what this remake is.
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THE:MILKMAN
Member
I don't think that applies now as other devs are talking about working on them now? The NDAs have slightly loosened I think (they do usually after/around GDC time).
As for the poor Codemasters guy my take was when his Tweet was post here and Era and it went viral he panicked and deleted his Twitter account. I doubt he got fired.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
I don't know why some devs are so reckless, they should just stay silent as the rest of them.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I really didn't get the impression he was being deliberately reckless. He happened to see the Brazilian patent sketches on his Twitter feed and casually said they had them at the office.
Blown way out of proportion for me!
Handy Fake
Member
3liteDragon
Member
From this week up until June's gonna be
sircaw
Banned
From this week up until June's gonna be
Hopefully xbox show next month will bring lots of new goodies,Really want to see that new Fable, I really hope it smashes it out the park.
After that, onto my cherry on the top, Sony's show, give me some hzd2, rachet and clank 2 and some demon souls.
Its gonna be a brilliant month.
pasterpl
Member
Xbox Series X trumps PS5 in power stakes, according to former PlayStation developer
Shots fired across the PS5's bows, as industry veteran says Sony were "caught off guard" by Xbox Series X
www.t3.com
i know this was discussed but it is interesting to see how different outlets are picking up this story and running with it
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Xbox Series X trumps PS5 in power stakes, according to former PlayStation developer
Shots fired across the PS5's bows, as industry veteran says Sony were "caught off guard" by Xbox Series X
i know this was discussed but it is interesting to see how different outlets are picking up this story and running with it
Matt Evans said:
DrKeo
Member
250$ does sound too low, but XSS has a lot of areas where MS can save on BOM. My guess is:
PS5 - 499$
XSX - 499$
XSS - 349$
Turning off parts of the GPU in order to make a lower-tier GPU from parts that didn't pass certification is extremely common, but there is a limit to how far you can push it. Turning off 4 CUs is very common and even 8 CUs happen here and there, but Lockheart's GPU will have to be at least half the CU count the XSX has if XSS is 4TF. When you turn off 4 CUs you improve yields considerably, but turning off 28 CUs (and probably a full SE and at least 128-bit worth of memory controllers) is a huge silicon waste. That's why the 5500 is a whole new chip, not a 5700XT with more CU disabled.
Lockheart will have a separate SOC, not the same one as XSX.
Gediminas
Banned
road to PS5, cerny talked about that.
dead time for PS5 takes less than a month, it is record braking short time. with PS3 it was 6 to 12 month til you up and running.
with this huge leap, there is no doubt that developers will chose to develop games on PS5 first.
LittleBigGamer
Banned
Seriously. What's wrong with this guy.
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Shmunter
Member
This ex ps dev may be on drugs while posting. Or could have been in a car crash with no helmet. All sorts of possibilities.
Thirty7ven
Banned
It's like that sports thing where the children have to support the same team. Giving an Xbox to a daughter when there's so many better Nintendo options, from this gen to prior gens, is nonsense. Clearly not the console for the target...
Neo Blaster
Member
Thirty7ven
Banned
Their behavior makes it look like what they secretly want is for the Xbox to be the PlayStation.
We all need to take a page from Nintendo fans. The games are the reason we buy these things, otherwise we are just broke ass discount gamers who can't afford to buy the real high end hardware (3000$ PC).
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FranXico
Member
Yes, it's envy. That much is clear. Let's stop going off-topic though.
CrysisFreak
Banned
I got the real high-end hardware and still play 90% of the time on PlayStation jfl.
To be fair someone did the humiliation in 2013 lol.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Just made this tweet and folks, listen to the video, it seems like John Linneman from Digital Foundry is saying TFLOPS on paper aren't that important and that it may not be as suggested on paper, this podcast just ended hours ago......
But it is the truth.
OH shit shots fired again and again and again and again and again!!!
But seriously looks like a nice, upcoming gen for PSV tech wise. I'm really dying to hear more about the controller too.
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