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IntentionalPun said:
The hope is this only applies to a boost mode, and not to games in a regular BC mode. But they haven't said that yet.
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They haven't because is too obvious. Just look at what the Pro does. It plays all your PS4 games, and you can turn on boost mode for them to take advantage of. But they have a disclaimer that some may have issues, which I haven't seen so far.

So just use that as reference. Play your PS4 games on PS5 as normal, and you can turn on boost mode of you like, and comes with a disclaimer. Same approach.
 
bitbydeath said:
You may have missed this part from the blog.



blog.us.playstation.com

Unveiling New Details of PlayStation 5: Hardware Technical Specs [UPDATED]

Watch live for a deep dive into PS5's system architecture and how it will shape the future of games.
blog.us.playstation.com blog.us.playstation.com

Ergo they're expecting thousands of BC titles to be available at launch.
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I already posted the link and dude still goes on with same bs. Most ps4 games will be bc. Xbox one didbt have 100% bc far from it BTW.

I take it back, I didn't think son was trolling but now I change my mind. He's pushing tht narrative too much and ignoring the dozens of links. Stop conveniently disregarding links tht point you to the answer and acting oblivious, it's lame.
 
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TLZ said:
They haven't because is too obvious. Just look at what the Pro does. It plays all your PS4 games, and you can turn on boost mode for them to take advantage of. But they have a disclaimer that some may have issues, which I haven't seen so far.

So just use that as reference. Play your PS4 games on PS5 as normal, and you can turn on boost mode of you like, and comes with a disclaimer. Same approach.
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Yep. Mark detailed how the differences in logic were incorporated in to the new chip and cited the PS3 way meant PS2 BC was removed in a cost down. Then went on to describe the 'truly massive' boost meaning testing title by title but the top 100 should work at launch.
 
Vaztu said:
Cerny shows a slide to mention three backwards compatibility modes.


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He later talks about running PS4 games in boosted mode (PS5 Native Mode). This is where he mentions Top 100 titles doing good in Native Mode, which got misconstrued by everyone.

Timestamped.

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Yes it was just an example. He just used the top 100 most played games because that's what the majority will know and relate to.
 
People on here love to regurgitate things. This has been discussed and if someone cant understand or better yet has an agenda after dozens of posts and ppl directly addressing it than its time to move on..
 
TLZ said:
They haven't because is too obvious. Just look at what the Pro does. It plays all your PS4 games, and you can turn on boost mode for them to take advantage of. But they have a disclaimer that some may have issues, which I haven't seen so far.

So just use that as reference. Play your PS4 games on PS5 as normal, and you can turn on boost mode of you like, and comes with a disclaimer. Same approach.
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So they have, in fact, been vague about it.

Because that's what not saying something means. Everyone is making assumptions while claiming Sony said things.. that's my only real point.

"It's so obvious we didn't say it" is not really how conveying information works. And it's really not obvious.
 
Gamernyc78 said:
People on here love to regurgitate things. This has been discussed and if someone cant understand or better yet has an agenda after dozens of posts and ppl directly addressing it than its time to move on..
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My agenda is to have an accurate discussion about what Sony has said about BC.

Maybe you should move on from meta-commentary and indirect accusations.

This convo has mostly run it's course, but it should end because it's not going anywhere... I am not misunderstanding anything nor do I have some agenda. We'll know soon enough what games are BC, how boosted games work, etc.

And I'm expecting most of my backlog to be boosted BC because they are 1st party titles.. that's my interest in BC. Got an unopened copy of TLOU remastered sitting on my desk I've been debating playing on my Pro.. but I honestly kinda hate consoles because of load times, so hoping for PS5 no load times.

Seriously fucking tired of how often this forum just tries to end conversations by claiming someone has an agenda.
bitbydeath said:
What do you think happens after it passes the test?
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Why do you think testing something means it passed?

They tested the top 100 games.. and said they hope to have the majority of them ready by launch. They said that around 9 months before the system is expected to launch.. so that can be interpreted in any number of ways. How many of the 100 worked? How many take effort? Why is it going to take 9 months and they still expect some of them not to work?
 
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IntentionalPun said:
They tested the top 100 games.. and said they hope to have the majority of them ready by launch. They said that around 9 months before the system is expected to launch.. so that can be interpreted in any number of ways. How many of the 100 worked? How many take effort? Why is it going to take 9 months and they still expect some of them not to work?
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They tested enhancements on the top 100 games. That is the most logical interpretation.
 
bitbydeath said:
I didn't say it did, hence why no exact numbers. But what do you think happens after it passes the test?
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I mean.. literally my only point here is that Sony has been vague, I got jumped on for suggesting that.

We have no clue what percentage of games work with no changes after testing.. we don't know what of Sony's statements refer to boosted games vs just playable games. We have the words they've said, and they all add up to being fairly vague. What we do know is they DO NOT expect the top 100 games to be playable by launch. We don't know exactly WHY; did 90 of them work fine and the last 10 will take too long to fix? DId 50 of them work and they expect to fix 40 by launch? We don't know.. because... vagueness.

What we do know is they expect the vast majority to eventually work.. which is super encouraging.

Literally my only point, guess I'm some XBox fanboy.

(I couldn't fucking care less about Xbox Backwards Compat, I have ZERO games on my Xbox backlog, nor do I really care to enhance any of them as I PC game... but the assumption is I'm an Xbox fanboy.. it's fucking hilarious)
 
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FranXico said:
"the overwhelming majority" is not "thousands" then?

PS4 BC will work fine on PS5.

If you just want to buy an Xbox, stop using BC as an excuse.
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Overwhelming: very great in amount.

Majority: a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total

Translation: It means a number vastly superior to 50%.

Assuming the total is 4000 games. 4000 × .50 = 2000 games.

So expect a number way over 2000 playable titles. In other words expect thousands of titles that are BC on the PS5.


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IntentionalPun said:
I mean.. literally my only point here is that Sony has been vague, I got jumped on for suggesting that.

We have no clue what percentage of games work with no changes after testing.. we don't know what of Sony's statements refer to boosted games vs just playable games. We have the words they've said, and they all add up to being fairly vague.

Literally my only point, guess I'm some XBox fanboy.

(I couldn't fucking care less about Xbox Backwards Compat, I have ZERO games on my Xbox backlog, nor do I really care to enhance any of them as I PC game... but the assumption is I'm an Xbox fanboy.. it's fucking hilarious)
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It's 'expected' by Sony without vagueness that the majority of the catalog will be available at launch. But they can't provide exact numbers because there is a chance some will fail for whatever reason.
 
FranXico said:
"the overwhelming majority" is not "thousands" then?

PS4 BC will work fine on PS5.

If you just want to buy an Xbox, stop using BC as an excuse.
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Dude... you literally responded to my post about how testing does not equate to being playable at launch...

Is this a comedy routing?

"Whose on first?"
 
bitbydeath said:
It's 'expected' by Sony without vagueness that the majority of the catalog will be available at launch.
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Look, the fact they said they expect the majority to be playable on PS5 is awesome and encouraging.

They did not say that about launch.

Last time I'll say it. You guys are welcome to quote me and spread more FUD while claiming I'm the one spreading FUD. I'm over it lol We'll know in the next few months how full the BC catalog is at launch, and like you I hope it's the vast majority of games.
 
IntentionalPun said:
Last time I'll say it. You guys are welcome to quote me and spread more FUD while claiming I'm the one spreading FUD.
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FUD: FUD is an acronym for fear, uncertainty and doubt. It is a marketing term that is often used to cast a shadow over a competitor's product when your own is unable to compete.

How is being positive about the PS5 BC capabilities spreading FUD?
 
MasterCornholio said:
FUD: FUD is an acronym for fear, uncertainty and doubt. It is a marketing term that is often used to cast a shadow over a competitor's product when your own is unable to compete.

How is being positive about the PS5 BC capabilities spreading FUD?
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Oh sorry.. thought it just meant mis-information.

Just me being an idiot not knowing what it meant.
 
IntentionalPun said:
", we can confirm thousands of games will be playable at launch. " xbox twitter
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Direct quote from Mark in the the Road to PS5 video:

Mark Cerny said:
PlayStation 5 GPU is backwards compatible with PlayStation 4
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Hardware BC means 90%+ compatibility of 4,000+ PS4/Pro titles right? He then details that it took AMD years to incorporate the different logic in to the GPU etc etc and then goes on to address boosted titles, top 100 titles and their testing.

I just don't get why you are hung up on them not saying 'at launch'? You said yourself it probably does mean at launch and Sony are being coy for some reason....

Like I said before, if it turns out BC is limited to 100 titles or something the game press will go to town on them never mind the forums/SM...
 
IntentionalPun said:
Look, the fact they said they expect the majority to be playable on PS5 is awesome and encouraging.

They did not say that about launch.

Last time I'll say it. You guys are welcome to quote me and spread more FUD while claiming I'm the one spreading FUD. I'm over it lol We'll know in the next few months how full the BC catalog is at launch, and like you I hope it's the vast majority of games.
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Yes they did. I quoted the exact line on the previous page. They're testing thousands of titles prior to launch and again what occurs once it passes?
 
bitbydeath said:
Yes they did. I quoted the exact line on the previous page.
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The passage that said nothing about launch. Claiming it did is a lie; don't be a liar.

And now we are back to claiming tested means passed...

Seriously...

What's on second?

Let's move on.
 
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IntentionalPun said:
Oh sorry.. thought it just meant mis-information.

Just me being an idiot not knowing what it meant.
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Misinformation: false or inaccurate information, especially that which is deliberately intended to deceive.

How do we know that Sonys claims are false?

I think we need to look at the information that Sony gave us.

"UPDATE: A quick update on backward compatibility – With all of the amazing games in PS4's catalog, we've devoted significant efforts to enable our fans to play their favorites on PS5. We believe that the overwhelming majority of the 4,000+ PS4 titles will be playable on PS5."

I know there is debate on whether or not this number will be the one at launch.

But what would happen if they only have 100 playable titles at launch when they already have people's hopes up for way over 2000 games at launch?

That's why I'm speculating that the number will be on the thousands because I don't believe Sony will risk getting sued for false marketing.
 
MasterCornholio said:
Misinformation: false or inaccurate information, especially that which is deliberately intended to deceive.

How do we know that Sonys claims are false?
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I'm not accusing Sony of making false claims. I'm accusing them of being vague. That's it.

People claiming outright that Sony said things they didn't are the ones repeating mis-information.

I know there is debate on whether or not this number will be the one at launch.
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Right; and I hope it's at launch.

What's not up for debate? The outright fact they did not say they'd be ready for launch.
 
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bitbydeath said:
Yes they did. I quoted the exact line on the previous page. They're testing thousands of titles prior to launch and again what occurs once it passes?
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In theory even the ones that they don't test could be playable on the PS5. The testing could be just to be able to put titles on a list. Doesn't mean that the PS5 is handling BC the same way that XB1 did where every game had to be modified to run on the system.

What I believe Sony is trying to achieve is a native or almost native form of backwards compatibility on the system.

Now what we don't know is if Sony (and other developers) will make the effort to update these games to take full advantage of the PS5 hardware. I'm guessing that some games could be given patches to run with enhanced visuals at 4K 60FPS but I don't believe that the majority will do that.
 
Seriously move on, you're arguing about a feature you know next-to-nothing about and the meaning of the word "passes."

I realize both of you think your "gotcha" moment is at hand but it's looking not likely at this point.
 
bitbydeath said:
What?
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*sigh*

I mean games being playable at launch . Do you guys just immediately forget the last post in a convo or what?

Testing a game does not mean it's going to be playable. As has been previously discussed.

Since you forgot the topic:

IntentionalPun said:
Look, the fact they said they expect the majority to be playable on PS5 is awesome and encouraging.

They did not say that about launch.
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IntentionalPun said:
*sigh*

I mean games being playable at launch . Do you guys just immediately forget the last post in a convo or what?

Testing a game does not mean it's going to be playable. As has been previously discussed.
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So you're argument is that they are going to test thousands of games prior to launch but you're expecting most to fail?
 
THE:MILKMAN said:
It's passing the time! Maybe HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 could drop a tease to distract us...? :messenger_winking:
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I know a lot of people don't like teases and sorry the last week or so dropping a few hype type of gifs.

Last week I heard first week of May we were getting an Xbox show to what extent I am simply not sure thus why I dropped the 2 weeks gif.

I have a feeling its a Lockhart reveal but hoping its more and with hearing we will be getting Assassins Creed gameplay next week I hope that means possible XsX gameplay?
 
IntentionalPun said:
*sigh*

I mean games being playable at launch . Do you guys just immediately forget the last post in a convo or what?

Testing a game does not mean it's going to be playable. As has been previously discussed.

Since you forgot the topic:
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Are you Brazilian?

Because your nickname in Portuguese means "intentional fart"

Brazilian xbox fanboys love self-deprecating nicks. Freud explains
 
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bitbydeath said:
OKAY but recap:
You're in agreement that you understand they will test 1000's of titles prior to launch BUT it is vague how many of those thousands will pass in time for launch, that the gist of it?
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Yes; particularly since their statement about the top 100 games seem to indicate they won't have all of those ready at launch, (and how that was initially their only statement, and their "update" specifically avoided any statements about anything else ready at launch)

(With the caveat that they might have just been discussing boosted mode, granted the blog where they repeated that doesn't mention that at all)

D Deto : yeah I'm totally an Xbox fanboy got me pegged here

Apparently wanting to accurately discuss what has been said about something is a common trait of Xboyz.
 
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