Nintendo and the third parties, again.

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So again a new Nintendo platform and again the same question: will it have a decent third party support? It looks like, reading comments from CD Project, or just the silence about third development teams about NX, the platform will suffer again from this problem.

The thing is that I feel that a lot of peolpe just accepts it and it makes me wonder, why the fuck don't you see that even if you are not interested in third parties, having a good and vibrant ecosystem of games with more support and more options, is better for the user and Nintendo itself? "I don't buy Nintendo platforms for its third party games". Well, since Wii there is basically no third support and the one the platform gets is low quality ports - some of them even overpriced -. I've seen this statement many times and now that a new platform from Nintendo comes, I've seen it again. Don't you think it is a stupid way to think? I have always the feeling this is just the worst way of thinking. The same happens with the achievements dilemma. I've seen many times people saying that they don't want achievements in Nintendo platforms. Why? It is something that it's just optional and at the end they became some per-game nonsense mess. What is wrong about having the option?

What do you think is the main problem for Nintendo to be misstreated by third parties like that? Just the narrow-minded eastern mentality the company has (I mean, Iwata was in charge also of NOA and the NOE CEO is also a Japanese guy)? Difference between power has to be one, but there must be more. Probably an old and unstructured SDK too.

Recently I found myself thinking that I would kick out most of the big heads in modern Nintendo. Probably the only guy left would be Shibata, the NOE CEO and because he has done some good stuff and looks like the Iwata/Yosp kind of guy.

Edit: After the initial discussion I'm afraid I probably need to put here more thoughts. Lots of people is saying "I got PC/PS4 for that" or "Western support is long time gone". That is actually the problem, I think. No everybody is able to buy a good PC or a PS4 and another Nintendo platform. Wouldn't it be good to have all in the same machine? Wouldn't it be good to have also western third parties on board? Why is this happening and how would Nintendo be able to fix it is what I'm trying to ask here.
 
At this point in time, who cares. The system isn't as powerful as the other 2 main ones, people will buy Nintendo systems for exclusives and Nintendo games, that's it. And I'm totally fine with it.

Maybe if the system is a success, third parties will jump back in. Too early to tell. I, for one, managing a game studio, wouldn't bet on Nintendo unless sales prove me otherwise.
 
EVH said:
Recently I found myself thinking that I would kick out most of the big heads in modern Nintendo. Probably the only guy left would be Shibata, the NOE CEO and because he has done some good stuff and looks like the Iwata/Yosp kind of guy.
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maybeweshouldwaitfornintendotoactuallyannouncethedamnconsolebeforespeculatingwhetherornottheconsoleisviableforthirdpartygames
 
felipepl said:
At this point in time, who cares. The system isn't as powerful as the other 2 main ones, people will buy Nintendo systems for exclusives and Nintendo games, that's it.
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Well
...the idea is to fix this issue?

OP obviously cares.
People care. Some don't buy a Nintendo console for this reason, so it would fix that.
 
I could see NX having good third party support in the same way that the 3DS does, or even as the Wii did if it really takes off.

If you want Western AAA third parties, there's zero point in Nintendo attempting to pursue that, and no incentive for the third parties to bite. Those games have had no appreciable market on Nintendo platforms for the thick end of two decades.
 
All Nintendo games on one platform takes a bit out of that dilemma(especially concerning droughts) but they'll probably get Japanese third parties and the western game here and there.
Third parties aren't going to magically flock to the NX unless it sells like the Wii which it won't.
 
I have my ps4 for that.
Also, NX is primarily a handheld, I don't expect a handheld to get all the console ports. I do think stuff like FIFA etc should come back.
 
A lot of Nintendo threads lately.

Perhaps we should wait a bit. Well by now the Thrid Party games have been decided for launch so...who knows.
 
EVH said:
Tell me what you don't understand about that. English is not my first language and maybe I wrote something wrong.
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Maybe it's the fact that you know nothing about the internal affairs of the company so saying who you would fire is presumptuous and stupid. You probably can't even name the "big heads" that you are referring to.
 
NX probably isn't going to have good third party support in the west but the possibility is there for it to have the best third party support for a Nintendo platform since the SNES in Japan, especially in the type of games GAF likes.

Also personally speaking it's not that I don't want (western) third party games, it's that I accept that there's not going to be a lot of them.

EDIT: It's still premature either way because we don't know the extent of things.
 
You're not getting third party support because third party devs can't simply port what they're already working on for the other two consoles, to the Nintendo console because A) It's not as powerful and B) Nintendo bakes in kooky features to their consoles that require even more customization.

It's not happening. First post is right. You buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo exclusives.
 
Contrary to popular belief, and to your OP, the Wii had fucktons of third party support utilizing the systems strengths, and a massive ecosystem of interesting AA titles. And it absolutely was part of the reason the system was so successful. AAA 3rd parties were not on board but it didn't matter. I DID, however, hurt Nintendo's image with more traditional gamers and games media.

The rest of your post is on point though.
 
EVH said:
What is wrong about having the option?
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Achievements aren't an option. You can't choose to disable them. You can only disable notifications. Also, you'd be surprised how many people are agaisnt options, even here on GAF.

Anyway, the problem is that in order to have third party support, Nintendo would need to design their consoles around third parties, and they aren't going to do that.
 
People need to accept that there is more than one way to skin a cat. The videogame
market is not the same as it was 5-10-15 years ago. The part of the market that wants third party software is being served by MS, Sony and PCs right now. For this reason, whatever the NX is, it needs to be something that serves a different part of the market, something that is not currently being filled. I think the hints of Nintendo moving into a more unified software development system is a pretty good sign that they are going to try and support this thing themselves, and if the system is compelling enough, they can.
 
I see no real evidence that Nintendo has changed its marketing philosophy with what little we know about NX so far. So, I'm not expecting much to change. It will get some 3rd party support at first, not a ton but some, and that will slow quickly because most of the audience for those games already own a Sony or Microsoft platform, and/or discover that those games run better on non-Nintendo platforms.

But, I expect NX will have some amazing Nintendo games, so I'm sure I'll end up buying one.
 
It'll be more about Japanese third party support than Western, which is DOA.

Japanese third parties have supported Nintendo handhelds significantly more than their home systems. Hopefully they can get more japanese third parties back on board after the dip with the 3DS in recent years. No Vita successor should help with this as well.
 
Hybris said:
Maybe it's the fact that you know nothing about the internal affairs of the company so saying who you would fire is presumptuous and stupid. You probably can't even name the "big heads" that you are referring to.
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If you have any internal information I would be glad to know and anyways I have the same right to express my opinion in an internet forum as you. I know that Reggie has been quite useless in NOA, or at least thats the general opinion, and Miyamoto has been helping franchises like Paper Mario go to hell, for example. And let's not talk about Star Fox Zero where he had a big role in design.
 
I think looking at the rumors of UE4/Unity support, that Nintendo is going more for the indy market to fill the first party "game gap" vs. traditional third parties.
 
The western third party ship sailed into the sunset a long time ago. With the majority of casual players moving to mobile, there's no reason for these companies to create software for Nintendo platforms, outside of the rare IP like Just Dance, Lego, or Skylanders.

The core 18-35 demo is being well served on PC, Xbox, and PlayStation and it's honestly no longer in Nintendo's best interest to try and win them over.

Nintendo will serve their current base and leverage their universally loved IP to try and bring in new consumers, whether through mobile, NX, merchandising, and/or other forms of media. They'll also partner with external developers and indie studios when it makes sense. Will this end up working for them? Honestly, who knows? But as far as western third parties are concerned, that story has long since been told.
 
felipepl said:
At this point in time, who cares. The system isn't as powerful as the other 2 main ones, people will buy Nintendo systems for exclusives and Nintendo games, that's it. And I'm totally fine with it.

Maybe if the system is a success, third parties will jump back in. Too early to tell. I, for one, managing a game studio, wouldn't bet on Nintendo unless sales prove me otherwise.
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pretty much. I have my PC for the rest and i don't see any reason as to why I would third party games on the NX instead ? Then again, I don't know a sure thing about the console yet so I can't even say it for sure?
 
The Wii had a pretty good selection of third-party games, not sure why people act like it didn't. Third parties made some games for the Wii U launch and it bit them in the ass, so it makes sense why they're not jumping on the NX train right away.
 
If NX is going for "third parties" it will be Japanese developers and Wii/Mobile type experiences

You might see some ports up front but when they don't sell because the audience for those games own other platforms, it will go away
 
Does it matter?

You buy a Nintendo system for Nintendo games and other oddities.

If that's not enough for you then it's probably not for you.
 
No Nintendo platform regardless of hardware spec or form factor would be able to get the same kind of third party support that the PS4, Xbox One and PC get. At least not for a few years.

What they can hope for is support from major Japanese publishers. Smaller Japanese publishers/developers (those currently primarily targeting Vita). Indie devs from around the world. Mobile developers with games that suit console ports. Developers/Publishers outside of this selection that Nintendo negotiate specific strategic partnerships with.

If with NX Nintendo can successfully bring a decent selection of games from the above industry sectors to their platform, plus deliver the great first party games that we all know they can deliver, NX will have a fantastic software library.

If they can remove the technical barriers preventing most publishers targeting PS4/Xbox One/PC from releasing on Nintendo platforms, and create a proven market for those games on Nintendo platforms, they can perhaps turn the tide of third party support, but it will be an uphill struggle.
 
Oregano said:
NX probably isn't going to have good third party support in the west but the possibility is there for it to have the best third party support for a Nintendo platform since the SNES in Japan, especially in the type of games GAF likes.

Also personally speaking it's not that I don't want (western) third party games, it's that I accept that there's not going to be a lot of them.

EDIT: It's still premature either way because we don't know the extent of things.
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Generally this. Japanese studios who developed and published a lot of Vita titles won't have a new Sony handheld to jump to, so NX would be the logical platform to support. Monster Hunter, Sega, Namco, and such should support NX well.

Western developers is an entirely different matter. People like to say that had Nintendo made NX a PS4 Neo type console then it would get all the western support. In reality, that wouldn't happen. Western support from third-parties has been a challenge for Nintendo, and it likely will remain one when it comes to NX. Doesn't mean it won't ever see a major release, but I wouldn't count on GTA6 or Red Dead 3 appearing on NX, either.
 
Exterminieren said:
I could see NX having good third party support in the same way that the 3DS does.

If you want Western AAA third parties, there's zero point in Nintendo attempting to pursue that, and no incentive for the third parties to bite. Those games have had no appreciable market on Nintendo platforms for the thick end of two decades.
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I think you have a great point here and just wanted to add something. In terms of raw numbers, PS4 currently has over 40 million consoles sold. Xbox One is sitting at an estimated 20 million consoles sold. I know that Nintendo fans can be loyal to their platforms, but what conceivable market for AAA 3rd party games is left that isn't already covered by Microsoft and Sony right now?

I've loved Nintendo for as long as I can remember and I want to see the NX succeed. I really don't think they can do so by competing directly with Microsoft and Sony anymore.
 
I love how discussions about Nintendo and third parties don't acknowledge the existence of other Japanese devs (which typically have strong third-party presence on Nintendo handhelds).
 
As long as Nintendo doesn't bury its head so deep in the sand so as to miss out on games like Minecraft that are already perfect for their platform, I think the situation will already be much improved compared to Wii U.

And, yes, I know there's now a Wii U version of Minecraft, but it came out four and a half years after the Xbox 360 version. That's just unacceptable.
 
The issue that i see is Nintendo is not going to go after power like the other 2 consoles are so third parties will not put their games on the console and even if they did Nintendo consoles wouldn't be the console where folks buy the majority of their third party games due to the kiddy image Nintendo has. In essence Nintendo would have to pretty much destroy the image they have built up and go from Hannah Montana into current Miley Cyrus and i honestly just don't see them doing it. I really feel they should create another division of studios and pr marketing to tackle the mainstream games , but as i see it if your hoping for western third parties your out of luck.
 
If the silence about 3rd parties on NX is bad, it's even worse from Nintendo themselves.
They just name-dropped NX 1.5 years ago and since then kept saying "we won't talk about NX in this Nintendo Direct/Investor meeting" and that's it.

Even Square Enix talked about it more than Nintendo, by announcing Dragon Quest X, XI and hinting at Final Fantasy XIV if it had cross platform play.
 
moggio said:
Does it matter?

You buy a Nintendo system for Nintendo games and other oddities.

If that's not enough for you then it's probably not for you.
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I can say that for Nintendo's consoles, but not their portables. I absolutely buy Nintendo handhelds for third-party games, and don't buy them for Nintendo games. (The two first-party 3DS games I care about are Style Savvy and Rhythm Heaven, and otherwise, meh for the most part.)

And, I'm willing to bet that's the same for plenty of other people out there. So with a lot of signs pointing to the NX being a console/handheld hybrid, one thing to do the job of two things, it does matter a hell of a lot to me how the third-party support will be.
 
Don't worry, all the Vita Japanese 3rd party support will be transitioning to the NX.

And who knows, now that the NX has only one screen and no stupid gimmicks Western 3rd parties may take more of an interest in it for AAA ports. Though it's up to its userbase in the end to buy 3rd party games for this platform.

BTW who is planning to main the NX for their multiplats if they released on there?
 
OrbitalBeard said:
The western third party ship sailed into the sunset a long time ago. With the majority of casual players moving to mobile, there's no reason for these companies to create software for Nintendo platforms, outside of the rare IP like Just Dance, Lego, or Skylanders.

The core 18-35 demo is being well served on PC, Xbox, and PlayStation and it's honestly no longer in Nintendo's best interest to try and win them over.

Nintendo will serve their current base and leverage their universally loved IP to try and bring in new consumers, whether through mobile, NX, merchandising, and/or other forms of media. They'll also partner with external developers and indie studios when it makes sense. Will this end up working for them? Honestly, who knows? But as far as western third parties are concerned, that story has long since been told.
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I've said it before but I wouldn't rule out stuff like COD from western third parties. Activision only dropped Wii U after two unsuccessful and they kept porting to the Wii even though they were making massively downgraded versions. If its feasible to port and successful enough I think they might give it a shot.

NateDrake said:
Generally this. Japanese studios who developed and published a lot of Vita titles won't have a new Sony handheld to jump to, so NX would be the logical platform to support. Monster Hunter, Sega, Namco, and such should support NX well.

Western developers is an entirely different matter. People like to say that had Nintendo made NX a PS4 Neo type console then it would get all the western support. In reality, that wouldn't happen. Western support from third-parties has been a challenge for Nintendo, and it likely will remain one when it comes to NX. Doesn't mean it won't ever see a major release, but I wouldn't count on GTA6 or Red Dead 3 appearing on NX, either.
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It's not even just Vita. Third parties are genuinely struggling on PS4 domestically(just look at this week's Media Create thread!) and it would make sense for them to try to hit as big an audience as possible.
 
Oregano said:
I've said it before but I wouldn't rule out stuff like COD from western third parties. Activision only dropped Wii U after two unsuccessful and they kept porting to the Wii even though they were making massively downgraded versions. If its feasible to port and successful enough I think they might give it a shot.
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Yeah, CoD is possible eventually. If NX sells well out of the gate, I think EA's sports titles will likely return as well.
 
EVH said:
So again a new Nintendo platform and again the same question: will it have a decent third party support?
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It apparently has 32GB of storage built in and uses carts. That should tell you all you need to know.

Nintendo games, Indies, and the same mid-late life third party offerings we got on 3DS. Maybe even some iOS/Android game ports.
 
For Japanese third parties, indies, & western publishers with family games (Lego Dimensions, Just Dance, Skylanders, etc.), certainly. But concerning western publishers, nope. Not only will this be below the Xbox One in terms of raw power (to what degree, we don't know right now), but current Nintendo audience either doesn't give a shit about games like Battlefield & GTA or already have systems that satisfy their needs concerning western AAA third party games.
 
felipepl said:
At this point in time, who cares. The system isn't as powerful as the other 2 main ones, people will buy Nintendo systems for exclusives and Nintendo games, that's it. And I'm totally fine with it.
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You shouldn't be fine with it, because whenever a Nintendo platform is bought by people who buys it just to play Nintendo exclusives, that system fails hard. And that means big losses for Nintendo.

Nintendo don't have to worry about NX though, it's best of the two worlds. Handheld and home console. Nintendo loyalists will be there day one and it's gonna get some sweet exclusives (Monster Hunter, SMT, Level-5 stuff). To get harder guys like EA or Bethesda, Nintendo will have to increase NX's userbase to necessary levels. And since it will be the only portable system to play traditional games around, it's not going to be hard thing to do for Nintendo.
 
Doesn't matter if the system was more powerful than scorpio, nintendo has to prove to third parties that their games will sell on their system. Large install base helps but doesn't always guarantee sales either. They could literally check all the boxes that ps4/xb1 check in terms of power, system-level features, network features, etc, and I still don't believe they'd attract the audience that would purchase enough 3rd party AAA games for it to matter.

You'd need to somehow attract the average PS4/XB1 fan to the system, and I honestly don't know how they do that without making a bunch of exclusive games that appeal to that audience.

Certainly making the system 3 years into the ps4/xb1 life cycle (right when they're getting system upgrades, too) isn't the best way to achieve this goal.


Nintendo *will* get third party games - they'll just be the games you currently see on 3DS and vita (japanese publishers, indies, etc). Enough to sustain the system and appeal to the current 3DS/Vita audience. If it does well enough you *might* see some downports of some games, like cod or sports titles, but only if the system does well on its own merits AND if those games even have an audience on this thing.
 
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