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[norinrad21]

Nintendo won't be no.1 ever again IMO

I will take that bet and double it Swoosh, come 2007 you will be eating crow, for the love of God please get it through that thick skull for a change. Nintendo will reclaim the top spot. This has nothing to do with the DS killing the PSP in Japan while its almost neck and neck in Europe/USA

 

[dog$]

So your saying your a fan of 50 Cent: Bulletproof

Well I didn't think I was; I didn't mention the game nor own it. But hey, since I'm one of those DURR HURF IGNORANT AMERICAN GAMERS DROOL DUH, maybe you should just keep assuming as such. It certainly seems to entertain you enough.

Nintendo will reclaim the top spot.

Nah.

 

[mj1108]

Constant profitability be damned, this is the generation where Nintendo finally goes third party. I've got a good feeling about this.

Wow, you're a moron.

 

[jett]

Some are really way too optimistic about the Revolution. Personally, I'd be more interested in the thing if it was actually a next-gen console.

 

[soundwave05]

GC was not sleek, unique, open, nor original :-/

GC franchises played just like their N64 ancestors (including Animal Crossing BTW). The console had a kiddy look, none of its games couldn't be done on PS2/xBox and the console couldn't read DVD, CDs, wasn't opened to the Internet, and you had to buy a GBA movie player to play your GBA games on TV.

My points stand.

Yeah but people also said the GameCube had optical discs, which negated a huge problem on the N64.

GC was easier to program for than the N64.

Nintendo got the entire Resident Evil franchise exclusive, which would have been unthinkable just a few months prior (even).

Not only RE, they got several other franchises from Capcom.

Nintendo buried the hatchet with Squaresoft and even got a GameCube Final Fantasy title.

Finally got some RPGs.

GameCube had better graphics than the PS2.

A $100 price difference at launch.

Very strong 2nd party support with Rare, Factor 5, Retro, Silicon Knights, Left Field, etc.

So the GC did have a lot going for it early on. A lot of things just didn't work out for Nintendo.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Some are really way too optimistic about the Revolution. Personally, I'd be more interested in the thing if it was actually a next-gen console.

C-

 

[Ponn]

So your saying your a fan of 50 Cent: Bulletproof.............. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

No, he's saying your stereotyping of a country is really bad and blaming it on your bias.

Unless you really want to play that stereotype game, then I guess you can say Japanese really,really need to buy their brain training

 

[Outcast2004]

I'm not too sure about what to think. persoanlly I think a lot of you here are allowing nostalgia to fuel youre thoughts.

I personally feel this will be too odd for a mass audience. Innovative? Possibly, but can also be viewed a s aone dimensional gimmick by the non-gamers.

At this point nintendo is holding their cards a little too close to their vest. You want to impress people and get them interested. SHOW US SOME DAMN GAMES!

But just by going anecdotal, I've shown some friends who are casula gamers and don't folow the in terwebs the Rev coverage. Their response, "you've got to be kiidng me". This wasn't said in a good way.

 

[Gio_CoD]

I hate when people say the Revo won't be a next gen console. This is how I look at it:

NES Innovation- genesis of viable 2D graphics
SNES/Genesis Innovation - GREAT 2D graphics
N64/PSX Innovation - viable 3D graphics
GC/PS2/Xbox Innovation - GREAT 3D graphics
PS3/X360 Innovation - Errr... greater 3D graphics?

It seems like every two generations you get a quantum leap in the way games are played. There is no leap in the PS3 and X360. Rev's control method provides that leap to make it next gen.

I admit it would be nice if the horsepower were up to spec, but there's always Revo2 for that.

 

[Sanjuro]

Well I didn't think I was; I didn't mention the game nor own it. But hey, since I'm one of those DURR HURF IGNORANT AMERICAN GAMERS DROOL DUH, maybe you should just keep assuming as such. It certainly seems to entertain you enough.Nah.

I like how you did the same thing I did, but get on the defensive. Right next to I'm a Nintendo fan I put I'm also a videogames fan, but you probably didn't read that either. I don't think the complete market of American gamers is stupid, but a large percentage are. Mostly ones that just jumped into the videogame scene begining with the PS2.

 

[soundwave05]

I hate when people say the Revo won't be a next gen console. This is how I look at it:

NES Innovation- genesis of viable 2D graphics
SNES/Genesis Innovation - GREAT 2D graphics
N64/PSX Innovation - viable 3D graphics
GC/PS2/Xbox Innovation - GREAT 3D graphics
PS3/X360 Innovation - Errr... greater 3D graphics?

It seems like every two generations you get a quantum leap in the way games are played. There is no leap in the PS3 and X360. Rev's control method provides that leap to make it next gen.

I admit it would be nice if the horsepower were up to spec, but there's always Revo2 for that.

Actually I agree .... it's probably not a strictly defined "next-generation" console.

I think Revolution is probably more like an "alternative console".

 

[Gio_CoD]

Actually I agree .... it's probably not a strictly defined "next-generation" console.

I think Revolution is probably more like an "alternative console".

That's a fair enough assessment. All I know is that I'm ready to play some honest-to-God *new* games.

 

[marc^o^]

Some are really way too optimistic about the Revolution. Personally, I'd be more interested in the thing if it was actually a next-gen console.

Now this is a good point, as what GC had against the Revolution was graphics that could compete with its rivals. Not a big deal actually. PS2 was not a graphic powerhouse and it smashed competition. More recently, DS games success has shown us that graphics are not that much of a factor.

And Minority Reports controls could make Revolution more next gen than you think.

EDIT: soundwave, i just talked about graphics, and to sum up your post, you said that GC had more early support than N64, that is was 100$ cheaper than competition, that it used optic discs and that it was easy to develop for. Okay...but same for Revolution. Though now it doesn't look like a toy, etc. (go back to my previous 4 points post to see why Revolution has far more selling potential than GC).

 

[MadOdorMachine]

What?!?! Did this guy just make a mistake and assume this was a Nintendo IP??

I think he's referring to the virtual console. A new 2D Castlevania for Rev would be great though.

 

[Ponn]

I hate when people say the Revo won't be a next gen console. This is how I look at it:

NES Innovation- genesis of viable 2D graphics
SNES/Genesis Innovation - GREAT 2D graphics
N64/PSX Innovation - viable 3D graphics
GC/PS2/Xbox Innovation - GREAT 3D graphics
PS3/X360 Innovation - Errr... greater 3D graphics?

It seems like every two generations you get a quantum leap in the way games are played. There is no leap in the PS3 and X360. Rev's control method provides that leap to make it next gen.

I admit it would be nice if the horsepower were up to spec, but there's always Revo2 for that.

It's way too soon to be saying the only inovation with PS3/X360 is greater graphics because that's all your seeing. More horsepower will probably not see a substantial or "OMG MY EYES" difference in graphics this coming gen but more of whats going on elsewhere. We had the graphics this get, but were lacking in physics, AI, environment and other areas which the more horsepower will let developers take advantage of.

Last night for instance me and my friend were playing Ninja Gaiden Black on his 360 (yes we were making fun of the slowdown) and commenting on how these graphics were still freaking awesome when compared to 360. How we could live with these graphics if developers would use the extra specs towards say a better enemy AI, a more thinking AI, and bigger environments that could be interacted with more. Like why didn't Ryu have a grappling hook? He's a ninja why couldn't I go anywhere and have more stealth? All stuff really not possible because of the tradeoff developers had to make. You can have more freedome but lose graphics (GTA), more physics and stealth but less freedom and minor hit in graphics (splinter cell) or full on graphics but less freedom (Ninja Gaiden). Now though we should see more of a combo of all these next gen. And frankly more stuff we just haven't seen yet. I certainly wouldn't say a launch lineup is showing of what a gen will be known for so I wouldn't make snap decisons like that.

 

[Lord Error]

It seems like every two generations you get a quantum leap in the way games are played. There is no leap in the PS3 and X360. Rev's control method provides that leap to make it next gen.

We already got that leap this gen with Eyetoy, or games like Donkey Konga or Guitar Hero. Indeed they were all popular with certain demographics, especially the Eyetoy, but still in the end it's was all pretty limited demographic, and many people tend to look at Eyetoy as a gimmick. Also, it's not like alternative and unique means of game control are anything new on consoles. They've been around at least since Duck Hunt on NES.

 

[CompositeMolar]

I never bothered with the cube but I know the revo is making me go gahigiddy.

 

[Outcast2004]

Now this is a good point, as what GC had against the Revolution was graphics that could compete with its rivals. Not a big deal actually. PS2 was not a graphic powerhouse and it smashed competition. More recently, DS games success has shown us that graphics are not that much of a factor.

And Minority Reports controls could make Revolution more next gen than you think.

Actually PS2's graphics DID smash the cometition when it came out. It had the DC and the 64 to compete with. Not much had to be done.

 

[Archie]

I think that Nintendo didn't bother trying to make the Revolution specs up to par with the PS3 and 360 because of public perception of their company. Even though the Gamecube was more powerful than the PS2, people constantly thought that the PS2 had better graphics. That doesn't excuse Nintendo for excluding HD gaming, but it does help to make some sense about their decisions.

 

[SantaC]

I'm a hardcore gamer...the revolution is a joke.My dual 7800gtx pc
makes it look like a gameboy! Nintendo will fail.....AGAIN!X-360
& PS3 are REAL gaming systems,NOT TOYS!

lol gotta love comments like this :lol

He calls himself a hardcore gamer, but it seems he only play games for graphic capabilities. What a joke :lol

 

[Lord Error]

Yeah, but if console sales mirrored handheld sales the Gamecube would never have had any competition either.

It wouldn't have competition because it slaughtered any competition on it's way. However, Gamecube did anything but. It was pretty much a sore loser of this generation, and continues to be so, despite DS's current success. Console market simply doesn't correlate with handheld market.

 

[Ranger X]

And what's a "next-gen console" is supposed to mean?? "Better grahics" ?

I mean, common...

 

[DECK'ARD]

We already got that leap this gen with Eyetoy, or games like Donkey Konga or Guitar Hero. Indeed they were all popular with certain demographics, especially the Eyetoy, but still in the end it's was all pretty limited demographic, and many people tend to look at Eyetoy as a gimmick. Also, it's not like alternative and unique maens of game control are anything new on consoles. They've been around at least since Duck Hunt on NES.

Those are all novelty games. The test of the Revolution and it's controller is whether it extends beyond them.

 

[soundwave05]

I think actually what Nintendo wants to do is move into the market in 2006 and steal the PS2 sales.

Sony sold like an extra 10-20 million PSOnes during that tail end of its life span, I think part of the audience Nintendo wants for Revolution are those very late adopters who are generally very casual and will only buy a console once its very cheap.

Revolution at $150 (quickly down to $99) with a controller that easy/intuitive to use could really curtail Sony's appeal with this particular audience.

The other challenge is bringing in non-gamers entirely ... that will require new franchises that are as appealling as Nintendogs and Brain Training have been.

When it comes to PS3/XBox 360, Nintendo's already said they're content if some of those people who buy a PS3/360 pick up a Revolution as a secondary machine ... and that's probable if they can offer content different enough and compelling enough along with their franchise stable.

 

[Lord Error]

Those are all novelty games. The test of the Revolution and it's controller is whether it extends beyond them.

Definitely not all of them are novelty games. What is your definition of novelty game anyway?

 

[SantaC]

Revolution at $150 (quickly down to $99) with a controller that easy/intuitive to use could really curtail Sony's appeal with this particular audience.

they shouldnt lower the price that early.

 

[soundwave05]

they shouldnt lower the price that early.

If they can manufacture it for $99 by 2007 ... I see no reason whatsoever to not drop the price.

You're still thinking in the paradigm of the "traditional console" rules ... those rules don't apply to Revolution whatsoever.

The less a person has to think about buying a Revolution hardware ... the better ... because the hardware is really what's getting in the way of Nintendo selling their console software. The more of an impulse buy it can be ... the stronger Nintendo's chance of gaining audience will be, especailly non-gamers.

I think Iwata would rather be kicked straight in the balls than have the following scenario unfold ...

Non-Gamer: Wow, this is really fun ... even I can play this ...

Gamer-Friend: Yeah, I told you its cool.

Non-Gamer: How much do these things cost anyway?

Gamer-Friend: $150-$200 ....

Non-Gamer: Oh ..... (as in "oh, well that was fun for five minutes, but I'd never spend that much on something like video games").

 

[DECK'ARD]

Definitely not all of them are novely games. What is your definition of novelty game anyway?

Eyetoy, something which just analyses background changes on a low-res webcam, is a novelty. The first Vaio Picturebooks had such toys years before. Yes you can have some clever applications of it, but at it's heart it is very limited. A lightgun is similarly limited in it's applications. As is a set of bongos, or a guitar.

A controller than operates in 3D space has the potential to have far more uses than either. We just have to wait and see how they apply it.

 

[elostyle]

A 1 gig cpu with 100megs of ram and an above gecko cpu will do some decent stuff, let's not get ahead of ourselfs.

 

[the androgyne]

First the disclaimer that this board must account for less than .2% of the entire gaming population and probably even less.

We know virtually nothing about both PS3 and Revolution...
But it's bloody obvious there is so much more buzz (positive or negative, it doesn't matter *) surrounding Revolution around here in the last few months; in the very least, people are gonna try this thing just to try it - and if Nintendo delivers a quantity of quality games with a wider appeal, they stand to take back a hefty chunk of the market.

* ever hear the marketing phrase there is no such thing as bad publicity? (ask Peter Moore )

 

[JavyOO7]

I don't believe that Nintendo can take the #1 spot. Even if they do, it would'nt matter to me all that much. What does matter to me is Nintendo sometime next-generation obtains the following:

a) Great 3rd party support similiar to that of Sony
b) The Revolution remote isn't a gimmick; rather, industry standard
c) Nintendo's own software kicks ass

I'll just talk about choice "c", for a second. I felt that while Nintendo had a good generation in general with GCN and their own software, I felt it paled in comparision to Nintendo's past. And this point has been driven over and over again, by myself and alot of posters in these boards. I hope Nintendo hasn't lost their creativity that we associated with them during the NES/SNES/N64 eras.

Anyway, I think the Revolution will match SNES levels of userbase. Yeah yeah, you all can laugh at me now. But really, I honestly don't think it's THAT far fetched. SNES sold in the neighboorhood of 50-60 million, right? But this is me thinking that the Revolution control actually is something worthwhile to buying, consumers don't care THAT much whether the PS3 blows Revolution games graphics out of the water (this will ring true the entire generation), and that 3rd party and Nintendo make their due by making good games.

 

[marc^o^]

Next Generation has posted a great article about Nintendo: What Makes DS So Popular?
You'll love it .

 

[the androgyne]

a) Great 3rd party support similiar to that of Sony
b) The Revolution remote isn't a gimmick; rather, industry standard
c) Nintendo's own software kicks ass

......consumers don't care THAT much whether the PS3 blows Revolution games graphics out of the water (this will ring true the entire generation)

I agree with pretty much all of your points here. And i just don't buy it when some you know who's on here claim that physics will be sorely lacking on the Revolution. Even if they were, if John Q. Public doesn't hardly give a shit about graphics (which they don't *looks at RE4, SOTC, PD Orta, F-Zero GX amongst others), they ain't going to give a shit about goddamn physics.

 

[ImJustALemonade]

Next Generation has posted a great article about Nintendo: What Makes DS So Popular?
You'll love it .

this write up is so spot on

 

[ziran]

Next Generation has posted a great article about Nintendo: What Makes DS So Popular?
You'll love it .

 

[MadOdorMachine]

Did anyone see this video from the "Nintendo: For The Win" article? There's a lot of cool gameplay possibilities for the controller in it. One of them has you pointing the controller at pillars and then pressing a button. A ball bounces from pillar to pillar. I could see this working in a Prince of Persia game. Another one has you circle some balls with the remote and then point and click where you want them to go. This would be a great way to control Pikmin. Another cool one is a F-Zero race. Check it out.

 

[Roders5]

Did anyone see this video from the "Nintendo: For The Win" article? There's a lot of cool gameplay possibilities for the controller in it. One of them has you pointing the controller at pillars and then pressing a button. A ball bounces from pillar to pillar. I could see this working in a Prince of Persia game. Another one has you circle some balls with the remote and then point and click where you want them to go. This would be a great way to control Pikmin. Another cool one is a F-Zero race. Check it out.

It's quite old this video, I posted it ages ago. Still interesting nonetheless.

 

[ManaByte]

What Nintendo needs to do is basically try what they did with the NES. You create a hit game either in arcades (which are not dead thanks to DDR) or elswhere and then they take that game and pack it in with Revolution for a low price at launch.

 

[Morbo]

First the disclaimer that this board must account for less than .2% of the entire gaming population and probably even less.

Even less than less than .2%? Interesting.

 

[Yamauchi]

Next Generation has posted a great article about Nintendo: What Makes DS So Popular?
You'll love it .

Good article.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

Imagine Jet Set Radio (the first one) with a Revmote.

Oooooh....

 

[birdchili]

You create a hit game either in arcades (which are not dead thanks to DDR

Arcades are dead enough (in North America anyway) to be an ill-conceived notion for pre-hyping a game.

I think they need a game that's good fun for a pile of folk to play together. The hardcore gamers/early adopters will invite friends over to mess about with the new controller, and word of mouth will sell the system if the games are good.

I haven't personally *ever* owned a Nintendo console, but there's a good chance it'll make an appearance at my place before a ps3 does.

 

[Oblivion]

Nintendo is always losing, even when they're winning.

Fixed.

GC franchises played just like their N64 ancestors (including Animal Crossing BTW).

They were INFERIOR to their N64 ancestors, okay?!

I think Rev. will definitely do better than the GC. Now will it do better than the PS3? That is definitely a stretch. But I'd say Rev. has a much better chance of doing that than the GC ever did. Looking back at the GC, the public perception was simply a more "kiddy" version of the PS2 and Xbox. There was nothing positive (aside from the graphics and Nintendo games) that distinguished it from the other two. The Rev. however will be known to play games differently and (as much as I hate to use this word) the gimmick could make itself be known to the public, and with a killer title that shows what can be done, Nintendo good do some serious damage.

 

[I <3 Katamari]

I think Rev. will definitely do better than the GC. Now will it do better than the PS3? That is definitely a stretch.

But it isn't. The likelyhood of Rev beating PS3 in Japan is pretty good.

In America, not so much, but I bet they're neck and neck.

 

[Mrbob]

Next Generation has posted a great article about Nintendo: What Makes DS So Popular?
You'll love it .

Wow. NCL is doing so much more than NoA in promoting the DS. Where are all the demo stations in the USA?

As for the Revolution, it is an interesting topic. I think this works best for Nintendo, like the DS has. I want to see what kind of impact the Rev will have on the PS3. After looking at DS and PSP game sales I'm unconvinced that the two markets are overlapping one another. What if Rev gets 70 million Nintendo gamer/hardcore gamer/non gamer marketplace and Sony gets 130 million hardcore gamer/casual gamer/movie Blu Ray market, and MS gets 30 million gamer market?

In a way, it is possible that Revolution sales could spur more Playstation 3 sales down the line too when the system drops in price. Getting more previous non gamers to join the gaming marketplace is not a bad thing.

I'd almost be more scared if I were MS than Sony. Revolution and PS3 could potentially squeeze the 360 out of the marketplace. Yeah the 360 won't go away, but all future MS consoles may be stuck around the 30 million userbase while the main riches go to the other two hardware providers.

 

[Oblivion]

But it isn't. The likelyhood of Rev beating PS3 in Japan is pretty good.

In America, not so much, but I bet they're neck and neck.

That's what I meant, actually. Also, even for Japan, I'd be a bit cautios. Remember, the PS3 has a million RPGs ready to come from the assembly lines, and with heavy hitters like DQ and FF, Sony could still win over there too.

 

[birdchili]

Remember, the PS3 has a million RPGs ready to come from the assembly lines, and with heavy hitters like DQ and FF, Sony could still win over there too.

If Nintendo can't get a steady stream of RPGs of quality off the pipeline, they don't have a prayer of overcoming the ps3 - this is key if they really want to get people to buy a Rev *instead* of a ps3.

If they're seriously content being the second console in everyone's home then this matters less.

Personally, I'd *love* to see RPGs custom-made for one-handed Revolution play.

 

[Error]

Next Generation has posted a great article about Nintendo: What Makes DS So Popular?
You'll love it .

nice article.

The second most bizarre side-effect is perhaps that now non-gamers are starting to read Famitsu, which technically makes them "gamers," I guess.

seems Nintendo strategy is working.

 

[ManaByte]

That's what I meant, actually. Also, even for Japan, I'd be a bit cautios. Remember, the PS3 has a million RPGs ready to come from the assembly lines, and with heavy hitters like DQ and FF, Sony could still win over there too.

Yoji Horii has been expressing some excitement about the Revo controller lately. I wouldn't write DQVIII into stone for any specific system just yet.

 

[Oblivion]

Yoji Horii has been expressing some excitement about the Revo controller lately. I wouldn't write DQVIII into stone for any specific system just yet.

You mean IX, right?