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olimario

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I've been talking with the guy who wrote this article and he seems so arrogant and is unable to accept any view to the contrary of his own. Can GAF market analysts help debunk this, or is it TRUE?!

I'm just sick of spin and I want some truth.


The Truth about Nintendo - Part 1
http://nintendoinsider.com/site/EEEFylpkElFffmiBlr.php

Though you wouldn’t know it from the pages of your normal Sony Fan magazine, or even the gullible, droning editorials of many Nintendo sites, Nintendo actually won the hardware race in 2004. In fact, Nintendo sold so many systems in 2004 that, in most cases, Nintendo outsold Sony and Microsoft’s systems combined.

This is no joke -- and that’s not the only battle Nintendo won. As I’ll reveal and analyze over the next three weeks, Nintendo has also made more money, sold more games and made better games than its competition’s video game sectors.
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*sigh*
 
As I’ll reveal and analyze over the next three weeks, Nintendo has... made better games than its competition’s video game sectors.
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i cant wait to see the analysis depicting this!

:lol
 
Well... I guess it's true that Nintendo as a whole sells more hardware than Sony and Microsoft. :/

But it's really a pointless statistic.
 
olimario said:
I've been talking with the guy who wrote this article and he seems so arrogant and is unable to accept any view to the contrary of his own. Can GAF market analysts help debunk this, or is it TRUE?!

I'm just sick of spin and I want some truth.


The Truth about Nintendo - Part 1
http://nintendoinsider.com/site/EEEFylpkElFffmiBlr.php



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*sigh*
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and this is exactly why everyone hates Nintendo fanboys the most.

if he's going to start adding in everything nintendo sells, then i guess sony could start adding in their tv's and microsoft their software. :lol
 
shpankey said:
and this is exactly why everyone hates Nintendo fanboys the most.

if he's going to start adding in everything nintendo sells from other markets, then i guess sony could start adding in their tv's and microsoft their software. :lol
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But those aren't from video games! :lol

Actually, I guess Sony's is, since you play games on tvs. :P

I suppose MS could add in the millions of DCs sold. :lol
 
I’ve written this article, researched the facts and drawn up these graphs not out of some foolish fanboy spite for Microsoft and Sony (if it was, I wouldn’t have included the above section), but to show to you, the reader, the real present state of Nintendo. Whether it’s the multiplatform magazines or even Nintendo fansites, there has been a peculiar laziness among gaming journalists in researching the market race, leading gamers everywhere to make broad statements such as: “Nintendo will go the way of Sega,” “Nintendo will never be #1 again,” or “Nintendo is #3 behind Sony and Microsoft.
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It’s time to start the discussion. It’s time to challenge the mainstream press, which has been able to dominate the public’s perception of Nintendo for far too long. It’s time to challenge the conventional ways of thinking and begin intelligent gaming discourse.
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:lol
 
shpankey said:
and this is exactly why everyone hates Nintendo fanboys the most.

if he's going to start adding in everything nintendo sells, then i guess sony could start adding in their tv's and microsoft their software. :lol
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because TV's and Windows are videogames, right?
 
I read this...

There’s no way around it: what you’re about to read will surprise you. Some of you may want to print this article off and read it in a quiet, secluded place. Others will want to chew in short bites, taking large breaths and gulps of water during breaks. Undoubtedly, this article will challenge many of your preconceived notions about the Big N, and possibly change the way you see the video games systems war forever.
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And took a large gulp of water for an entirely different reason than he intended!
 
Well, his point about hardware is certainly accurate, and he might have a point about money made, as well (I think Sony's videogame division may have pulled ahead of Nintendo recently in terms of revenue, but I can't remember for certain).

Obviously "proving" Nintendo has made superior games relative to its competitors is a retarded endevour, of course.

EDIT: After reading some of his article, I realize that he's not just retarded, he's god damned certifiable. Someone capable of such crazed devotion should be working for Karl Rove or something, not writing articles about Nintendo.
 
It's articles like this that make me embarrassed to say that I like Nintendo games. I automatically get lumped into the same category as this jackass.
 
xsarien said:
It's articles like this that make me embarrassed to say that I like Nintendo games. I automatically get lumped into the same category as this jackass.
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Quoted for truth.
 
"OMFG. EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG. Nintendo is #1. Don`t believe the conspiracy."

Ugh, so much oxygen is being wasted on the human being who wrote this.
 
This should clear some stuff up

Pt styls 4: i make clear i'm talking about video gme hardware
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Actually human5892 the guy who wrote it is really into politics and did a lot of work in polling and researching the 2004 election.

The "game quality" article will only be talking about Nintendo vs. Sony vs. Microsoft published games, which he'll simply get averages from Gamerankings.com. He's not saying the GameCube has better games than PlayStation 2 or Xbox but simply that Nintendo publishes better games than Xbox and PlayStation 2, according to the press.
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Pt styls 4: if people read the article they will know full well what i'm talking about
Pt styls 4: only one person there read the article and he agreed with me
Pt styls 4: you simply posted some of my humorous excerpts and made me look like an idiot
Pt styls 4: you sir are certainly the master of spin
Pt styls 4: not only did this article take a look at how nintendo won 2004 in hardware but how it is losing in 2005
Pt styls 4: TAKE THE FREAKING THING OUT A QUOTE
Pt styls 4: you still got it wrong
CaptainOlimar2: I quoted your thesis and your preview of articles coming soon
CaptainOlimar2: but I didnt write it
Pt styls 4: THEN TAKE IT OUT
Pt styls 4: DELETE YOUR POST
Pt styls 4: YOU NEONAZI
CaptainOlimar2: HAIL HITLER
Pt styls 4: -________----------
CaptainOlimar2: you cant delete on this forum
Pt styls 4: then edit it out and apologize or do something
Pt styls 4: because you know full well you spun this thing to death
Pt styls 4: arrogant?
CaptainOlimar2: spun? I posted your thesis in the first post
Pt styls 4: I DNO'T WANT MY ARTICLE QUOTED
Pt styls 4: IT'S (C) 2005 NINTENDO INSIDER
Pt styls 4: IT CANNOT BE REPRODUCED WITHOUT MY PERMISSION
Pt styls 4: give the link
Pt styls 4: excerpts do no one any good
Pt styls 4: i want my article read fully
CaptainOlimar2: I gave the link
Pt styls 4: and a quote without my permission
CaptainOlimar2: on GA you arent supposed to quote whole articles because they want sites to get the hits the deserve
Pt styls 4: that's copyrighted material
CaptainOlimar2: Im not selling it or claiming it is my own
Pt styls 4: TAKE MY QUOTE OFF
Pt styls 4: IT'S (C) NINTENDO INSIDER
CaptainOlimar2: which one?
Pt styls 4: read the copyright notice
Pt styls 4: THE PART OF THE ARTICLE YOU QUOTED
CaptainOlimar2: But you're allowed to quote... its not against the law
Pt styls 4: it's against our copyright policy
Pt styls 4: if you don't edit your entire first post to spin me to death you're gone
CaptainOlimar2: Wait.. one thing first
CaptainOlimar2: How is quoting your thesis spin?
Pt styls 4: YOUR FIRST SENTENCE IS SPIN
Pt styls 4: "THIS GUY IS SO ARROGNAT
Pt styls 4: "HE USES SO MUCH SPIN
Pt styls 4: I USE NO SPIN AT ALL
Pt styls 4: THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE ARTICLE




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Pt styls 4: i do well with critics
Pt styls 4: but guess what all 30 people did
Pt styls 4: they read ur quote
Pt styls 4: and that i'm arrogant
Pt styls 4: and made a blasting generalization
CaptainOlimar2: my quote was your thesis... and poeple there usually disagree with my views
Pt styls 4: you sir are no better than EGM
CaptainOlimar2: they think im batshit insane
CaptainOlimar2: I pimped PN03 and Kirby
CaptainOlimar2: they hated that
Pt styls 4: i hope you get aids and die you pig
CaptainOlimar2: so now they disregard everything I say
Pt styls 4: i hope you choke on a sausage and suffocate you nazi
 
olimario said:
Pt styls 4: if people read the article they will know full well what i'm talking about
Pt styls 4: only one person there read the article and he agreed with me
Pt styls 4: you simply posted some of my humorous excerpts and made me look like an idiot
Pt styls 4: you sir are certainly the master of spin
Pt styls 4: not only did this article take a look at how nintendo won 2004 in hardware but how it is losing in 2005
Pt styls 4: TAKE THE FREAKING THING OUT A QUOTE
Pt styls 4: you still got it wrong
CaptainOlimar2: I quoted your thesis and your preview of articles coming soon
CaptainOlimar2: but I didnt write it
Pt styls 4: THEN TAKE IT OUT
Pt styls 4: DELETE YOUR POST
Pt styls 4: YOU NEONAZI
CaptainOlimar2: HAIL HITLER
Pt styls 4: -________----------
CaptainOlimar2: you cant delete on this forum
Pt styls 4: then edit it out and apologize or do something
Pt styls 4: because you know full well you spun this thing to death
Pt styls 4: arrogant?
CaptainOlimar2: spun? I posted your thesis in the first post
Pt styls 4: I DNO'T WANT MY ARTICLE QUOTED
Pt styls 4: IT'S (C) 2005 NINTENDO INSIDER
Pt styls 4: IT CANNOT BE REPRODUCED WITHOUT MY PERMISSION
Pt styls 4: give the link
Pt styls 4: excerpts do no one any good
Pt styls 4: i want my article read fully
CaptainOlimar2: I gave the link
Pt styls 4: and a quote without my permission
CaptainOlimar2: on GA you arent supposed to quote whole articles because they want sites to get the hits the deserve
Pt styls 4: that's copyrighted material
CaptainOlimar2: Im not selling it or claiming it is my own
Pt styls 4: TAKE MY QUOTE OFF
Pt styls 4: IT'S (C) NINTENDO INSIDER
CaptainOlimar2: which one?
Pt styls 4: read the copyright notice
Pt styls 4: THE PART OF THE ARTICLE YOU QUOTED
CaptainOlimar2: But you're allowed to quote... its not against the law
Pt styls 4: it's against our copyright policy
Pt styls 4: if you don't edit your entire first post to spin me to death you're gone
CaptainOlimar2: Wait.. one thing first
CaptainOlimar2: How is quoting your thesis spin?
Pt styls 4: YOUR FIRST SENTENCE IS SPIN
Pt styls 4: "THIS GUY IS SO ARROGNAT
Pt styls 4: "HE USES SO MUCH SPIN
Pt styls 4: I USE NO SPIN AT ALL
Pt styls 4: THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE ARTICLE




...
...
...




Pt styls 4: i do well with critics
Pt styls 4: but guess what all 30 people did
Pt styls 4: they read ur quote
Pt styls 4: and that i'm arrogant
Pt styls 4: and made a blasting generalization
CaptainOlimar2: my quote was your thesis... and poeple there usually disagree with my views
Pt styls 4: you sir are no better than EGM
CaptainOlimar2: they think im batshit insane
CaptainOlimar2: I pimped PN03 and Kirby
CaptainOlimar2: they hated that
Pt styls 4: i hope you get aids and die you pig
CaptainOlimar2: so now they disregard everything I say
Pt styls 4: i hope you choke on a sausage and suffocate you nazi
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Yeah, um... I agree with Amir0x. This guy is fucking crazy.

Disclaimer: Nintendo Insider is in no way, shape, or form affiliated in any way with the Nintendo Administration of Fanboy Actions (NAFA).
 
olimario said:
Pt styls 4: i hope you get aids and die you pig
CaptainOlimar2: so now they disregard everything I say
Pt styls 4: i hope you choke on a sausage and suffocate you nazi
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:lol

he sounds like a stable member of society.

Nintendo Insider...so...that's like the dregs of fanboy zines?
 
Pt styls 4: you have disgraced NI
Pt styls 4: better apologize to efralope
CaptainOlimar2: NI disgraced itself with the publication of your editorial
Pt styls 4: i would have love to send him to e3 but i just can't trust you anymore
Pt styls 4: captain i spent literally about 30 hours researching that editorial
Pt styls 4: do you think i made up those numbers?
Pt styls 4: everything there is fact
Pt styls 4: i even went out of my way to prove nintendo is losing 2005
Pt styls 4: oh yes i'm definitely a nintendo fanboy
Pt styls 4: oh yes sound the alarms

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Pt styls 4: i guess i was being a nintendo fanboy when i went against nintendo's emulation policies
Pt styls 4: better follow up quickly
Pt styls 4: tell people that you made up that AIM convo and set me up
Pt styls 4: and apologize
 
OK, this is getting out of hand, how many people have actually read through the whole article?

Hasn't it been established in previous threads that the some press has been irresponsible in reporting the situation Nintendo is in by making it seem worse that it actually is.

Does anybody remember the quote by Iwata that got taken out of context and had media interpreting as a signal that Nintendo might go 3rd party?

I have to say that a lot of people on this forum are a lot more knowledgable that a lot of folk that do by-the-numbers reporting on games, and certainly a lot of people understand that Sega and Nintendo are in COMPLETELY different situations, but that doesn't stop a lot of the comparisons:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=dev&aid=2959

The fact is people look at popularity and raw numbers, but how many take the time to look at financial statements and think through how long Nintendo can actually afford to stay in the business even if they were to start failing miserably. Sega stayed after almost a decade in debt, and Nintendo is nowhere near close to that situation.

I think the articles olimario linked to certainly brings up an important point, that the regular press jumps to conclusions and looks at only the surface when they analyze and report, and considering how important remaining profitable is to businesses, even some of you must admit that is irresponsible.

What is the bigger sin, a "slanted" look at the situation on a Nintendo site, or irresponsible and inaccurate reporting in traditional, influential videogame press?
 
Efralope, as I insinuated in an earlier post, it's not the data the guy is presenting, but the manner in which he is presenting it. The bit about proving Nintendo releases better games than the competition is part of it, too, Gamerankings or not.

Nobody is contesting that Nintendo sold more hardware than the competition in 2004. But Jesus Christ, Microsoft and Sony didn't even have handhelds out in 2004. It's a pointless comparison to make. People predict gloom and doom about Nintendo in the console market, because Nintendo is performing like shit there.
 
I would take issue that Nintendo "is performing like sh*t" in the console area.

Perhaps compared to Sony it is, but Microsoft's XBox is being hailed as a success, and Nintendo is not too far off from where they are with Gamecube.

Not to mention that fact that they remain very profitable in the console sector and have already outsold every Sega system with the exception of Genesis.

People predicting "doom and gloom" have to take into consdiration how Nintendo stands as whole, because if Nintendo were to become unprofitable in both sectors, that would be a major difference than if they have a prospering handheld business and a dimming console business.

Everything is relative, but if 3 console disasters didn't ultimately bring down Sega (Sega CD, 32x, and Saturn), then how could 1 "mediocre" performance (and 17 million GCN's is nothing to sniff at) come close to a comparison with Sega, which was still able to release Dreamcast and support it for a couple of years before finally going 3rd party (and ultimately had no handheld business to fall back on)?
 
human5892 is right. The simple truth of the matter is that Sony and Microsoft have never stated that they were pushing more hardware overall than Nintendo, simply that they are coming #1 and #2 in the console wars respectively. Hence the term console.

Any fuckhead can tell you that Nintendo is afloat due to insane sales and profit on it's handheld market and that yes, overall, Nintendo has a shit load of hardware in both area's. This article is shit and further shoves the idealism that Nintendo fans are still holding onto the last treasured memory of NES when they dominated everything. I am a Nintendo fan myself but I have no intention of ever reliving that era - that's why I never wish that Nintendo go 3rd party.. 3 manufacturers in the console wars = low prices. Any Tom, Dick and Harry and show you the RRP of a PS2 right now and not laugh due to sheer dominance (and perhaps arrogance).
 
i think it's funny the guy is assuming nobody read it because we're responding negatively, even though I read the entire article twice before I commented on its hilarious nature.
 
speedpop said:
human5892 is right. The simple truth of the matter is that Sony and Microsoft have never stated that they were pushing more hardware overall than Nintendo, simply that they are coming #1 and #2 in the console wars respectively. Hence the term console.
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It doesn't matter what companies say. It matters what gets reported, and if Nintendo is reported in a light with ints that would make it seem that they are in financial trouble, I would consider that irresponsible reporting.

It doesn't matter what PR #'s go on between the 3 companies, but ultimately reporters and new sites have to differentiate between marketshare numbers and financial stability of a company like Nintendo, which they often fail to do.
 
Alcibiades said:
Perhaps compared to Sony it is, but Microsoft's XBox is being hailed as a success, and Nintendo is not too far off from where they are with Gamecube.

Not to mention that fact that they remain very profitable in the console sector and have already outsold every Sega system with the exception of Genesis.
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All of these facts have little to do with the GameCube a.) selling the least amount of consoles this generation of the three, b.) continuing Nintendo's trend since the NES of steadily losing marketshare, c.) having a serious dearth of new releases in the future, especially compared to the competition, etc.

Everything is relative, but if 3 console disasters didn't ultimately bring down Sega (Sega CD, 32x, and Saturn), then how could 1 "mediocre" performance (and 17 million GCN's is nothing to sniff at) come close to a comparison with Sega, which was still able to release Dreamcast and support it for a couple of years before finally going 3rd party (and ultimately had no handheld business to fall back on)?
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Again, I'm not talking about Sega. I'm talking about the GameCube, and how it's in line to be the worst-selling Nintendo console to date, and how it hasn't sold even close to what the market leader has.

Profits, handheld sales, seven quintillion dollar war chest -- it's all irrelevant when we're talking how Nintendo is performing in the console market. The answer to that is badly.
 
olimario said:
I'm just sick of spin and I want some truth.
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The truth is, Microsoft fucking rapes Nintendo in the market for operating systems for PC's. Just rapes them.

In other words, if two companies do not compete in the same market, then they are not comparable.

Really, this topic is one of dumbest things I've read here for a while.
 
he seems unaware that there was a ps2 shortage last fall. this rather skews his numbers. but it's nice to see a such a raving, self-satisfied example of the classic triumphalist nintendo fan. i thought those had died out. you should get him to register a gaf account, olimario.
 
human5892 said:
All of these facts have little to do with the GameCube a.) selling the least amount of consoles this generation of the three, b.) continuing Nintendo's trend since the NES of steadily losing marketshare, c.) having a serious dearth of new releases in the future, especially compared to the competition, etc.
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and all of these facts have little to do with a possibility of Nintendo going 3rd party anytime soon.


Again, I'm not talking about Sega. I'm talking about the GameCube, and how it's in line to be the worst-selling Nintendo console to date, and how it hasn't sold even close to what the market leader has.

Profits, handheld sales, seven quintillion dollar war chest -- it's all irrelevant when we're talking how Nintendo is performing in the console market. The answer to that is badly.
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Nobody is debating the position of GCN compared too previous Nintendo console outings.

You are not talking about Sega, but some mainstream press will compare, and the target here was battling mainstream perception. "Badly performing Gamecube" compared to NES/SNES/N64 would not be inaccurate, but the mainstream press rarely stops there.

Where we might see that even if GCN had only sold 10 million Nintendo would not be in bad financial shape, people in the videogame press might not see that.
 
nintendo's in great shape really. Drought aside, for all their efforts. They're 2 million behind MS and not losing money doing so. I'd say they are teh WINNAH!

Xbots need to give the whole N is doomed schtick a break.
 
drohne said:
he seems unaware that there was a ps2 shortage last fall. this rather skews his numbers. but it's nice to see a such a raving, self-satisfied example of the classic triumphalist nintendo fan. i thought those had died out. you should get him to register a gaf account, olimario.
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there was also an XBox shortage last fall and continuing now, and a GCN shortage December '03 through March '04, overall a temporary shortage doesn't change things.
 
Alcibiades said:
You are not talking about Sega, but some mainstream press will compare, and the target here was battling mainstream perception. "Badly performing Gamecube" compared to NES/SNES/N64 would not be inaccurate, but the mainstream press rarely stops there.

Where we might see that even if GCN had only sold 10 million Nintendo would not be in bad financial shape, people in the videogame press might not see that.
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If he wanted to target mainstream perception, he should have fucking done it - without bullshit.
 
i'm just saying that the particular numbers he's chosen aren't really representative of the state of the market, though maybe it's absurd to pick that out of an article so incoherent and foaming with paranoia. i don't follow sales closely, but i think the ps2 userbase is roughly the same size as the combined gamecube and gba userbases.
 
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