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Nintendo & their damn safety warnings

tedtropy

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Honestly, do I need to see this every time I start a game? Did Nintendo have another Pokemon seizure moment I'm unaware of where this was part of the court settlement? And being told the proper way to play Wario Ware Twisted every damn time I turn the game on is getting old. Warn me once, then go away! Nintendo isn't helping their kiddy image any when I feel like I'm running with scissors just for firing up one of their games...
 
Yep, I'm annoyed. Though, at least on DS games, this is skippable. Looks like we're SoL when it comes to new GBA titles, however.
 
150 years ago you had to pump your own water out of a well just to get a drink and nobody complained about that shit. It's 2 seconds of your time. Invest in some Ritalin if it bothers you.
 
I think it's from that bullshit lawsuit in Britain where the kid and the parents can't bother to read the warnings on the first page of every instruction book, or on the back of every box/case.
 
The warning screen is annoying. It bugged me on PM 2, it bugged me on MP 2, it is currently bugging me on WW Twisted and FE 8 but it is only a mild annoyance. It really isn't the time that is wasted pushing the button, it is the principle of the matter.
 
It's not only the warning i'm getting annoy too. It's the logos and trademarks of the company like retro stuido, nintendo, DD II then the game kick in... at least put the logos and trademarks in the credits section please. My goodness it's already on the dvd box cover.

What i want is to load in the cd then go straight to the game menu. That's simple and quick.
 
olimario said:
150 years ago you had to pump your own water out of a well just to get a drink and nobody complained about that shit. It's 2 seconds of your time. Invest in some Ritalin if it bothers you.

Oh I'm pretty sure they bitched about that too.
 
The warnings are getting on my nerves. I think this is a CYA thing by Nintendo, since no other companies do it. I'd love to see a system setting that lets the user bypass these things; I don't need to see it every time.
 
olimario said:
150 years ago you had to pump your own water out of a well just to get a drink and nobody complained about that shit.

I'd imagine someone did complain, and got fed up enough that he invented indoor plumbing to rectify the situation.
 
I don't get bugged by company logos or warning screens, maybe its due to the fact that DVD titles have those FBI copyright warning screens and company logos as well.
 
xsarien said:
I'd imagine someone did complain, and got fed up enough that he invented indoor plumbing to rectify the situation.


He's the reason we're whining about safteys screens in our electronic video game systems.
I shift all blame to him. :)
 
Rez has this screen, too... in that game, it actually makes sense to have it, though!
 
impirius said:
The warnings are getting on my nerves. I think this is a CYA thing by Nintendo, since no other companies do it. I'd love to see a system setting that lets the user bypass these things; I don't need to see it every time.
no, not CYA.
Matlock said:
And all because a judge didn't think that pasting that all over the box and disks wasn't enough.
Gorgie said:
I think it's from that bullshit lawsuit in Britain where the kid and the parents can't bother to read the warnings on the first page of every instruction book, or on the back of every box/case.
Video-game giant Nintendo defends actions on seizures


By ANGELA SIMONEAUX
asimoneaux@theadvocate.com
Acadiana bureau

LAFAYETTE -- Ten days of testimony were completed Thursday in federal court in the case of a St. Martin Parish family who claims Nintendo of America failed to follow consumer protection rules.
Some people who are sensitive to certain patterns or qualities of light can suffer a seizure if exposed to those patterns or qualities, according to latest testimony in the final portion of a two-part trial. And some video games may have contained those patterns or qualities of light.

The family of St. Martinville Mayor Eric Martin and his son, Michael, claims the video game giant failed to report that its games contain defects that presented a "substantial hazard" and create an unreasonable risk of serious injury or death.

The two-part trial began in July, with both the federal reporting issue and a personal injury claim. The Martins, represented by a team of attorneys led by Richard C. Trahant of Metairie, claimed Michael suffered a seizure from playing the games.

After three days of testimony before a jury, the parties reached an undisclosed settlement on the personal injury claim. Trial was halted and the jury dismissed.

Nintendo is represented by a team of attorneys led by Michael B. North of New Orleans.

At issue now is what Nintendo knew about a possible connection between seizures and video games and whether Nintendo's years of package warnings, self-imposed game-creation guidelines and correspondence with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission were adequate under federal law.

Nintendo claims it has done its own research, funded independent research, set up guidelines designed to reduce the possibility of seizures in photosensitive people, answered all communications from the commission and kept close track of consumer complaints in an attempt to ensure their products were not harmful.

The trial on the federal reporting issue resumed last month, and the latest round of testimony was completed Thursday.

One witness, a physician who is an expert in epilepsy, will give additional testimony later this month. After his testimony is complete, the trial will officially be over.

Presiding U.S. District Judge Richard Haik said he will give the attorneys 45 days after the trial transcript is complete to file their arguments about the evidence and the law. Then he will rule.

During the trial, much testimony centered around what Nintendo knew and what it did with that knowledge.

One of the main witnesses was Richard Flamm, the company's general counsel.

Flamm testified that the product safety commission was aware of seizures experienced during or after video game play as early as 1989 but never opened an official case about the connection.

Even if that had not been true, Flamm testified he believes Nintendo did not have to report anything to the commission because the games did not contain a defect that caused any injury to anyone.

"We had no reporting requirements regardless of whether they were informed or not," Flamm testified under cross examination.

According to Flamm's testimony and that of other Nintendo officials, the company received fewer than 2,000 complaints of incidents that might have indicated a possible seizure, compared to the sale of millions of games.

For example, the company sold 1.5 million copies of the game Star Wars Episode I and had no complaints of seizure-related incidents. The company sold more than 1 million copies of the game Yoshi's Story and had only one seizure-related complaint, he testified.

Flamm said he has learned, by reviewing studies on the connections between video games and seizures, that generally it is only people who have an existing neurological condition who have seizures after playing some games.

"Video games don't cause epilepsy or seizures. They are caused by a pre-existing neurological condition," Flamm testified.

Generally those people are "photosensitive," meaning they are sensitive to the intensity of light and/or the flashing or flickering of light, he testified.

Studies have shown that other things that can trigger seizures in these people include venetian blinds, striped walls, stairs, striped clothing, reflected light, helicopter blades, malfunctioning fluorescent lights, strobe lights and the light from a welder's torch, he testified.

Nintendo placed warnings in its products about the possibility of video games triggering seizures in photosensitive people, Flamm testified.

He also testified that Nintendo donated funds to the Japanese Epilepsy Association to help fund research into the connection.

Using the findings of these studies and others, Flamm testified, Nintendo instituted some recommendations for its game designers that the company hoped might decrease the seizure triggers.

Among these recommendations were a limit on the number of times per second a light can flash, and a limit on the brightness of certain lights and their duration on the screen, he testified.

Since those recommendations have been instituted, the number of seizures reported to the company by consumers has dropped from 22 in 1999 to six in 2003.

The company also hired an epilepsy expert who reviewed all the research available, and Nintendo's response to it, to make sure the company was doing what it should, Flamm testified.

"He looked at all the studies and then wrote his paper. After reading it, I felt very comfortable that we did understand the literature and the factors involved, and that the steps we were taking were appropriate," Flamm testified.

The Martin family maintains that Nintendo should have reported that its video games were not safe and not suitable for use because they triggered seizures.

They want Haik to order Nintendo to put warnings about the possibility of video games triggering seizures on the video game packages and on the screen while the game is in use, court documents indicate.

They want Nintendo to rank all games according to the seizure risk, reformat all its games to reduce the chance of seizures, fund a nationwide advertising campaign to inform the public about the chance of seizures, allow all game owners to trade high seizure risk games in for low seizure risk games and to establish a refund program so everyone with Nintendo games can get their money back, court documents indicate.

The family also wants money for damages, court costs, attorney fees and expert fees.
 
The real problem are the assholes that sued for this stuff.

Congress needs to make amendments or whatever is needed to severely limit sueing.

Everyone let's sue those people for forcing Nintendo to waste our time.
 
I hate it.


Petition worthy?
 
They want Nintendo to rank all games according to the seizure risk, reformat all its games to reduce the chance of seizures, fund a nationwide advertising campaign to inform the public about the chance of seizures, allow all game owners to trade high seizure risk games in for low seizure risk games and to establish a refund program so everyone with Nintendo games can get their money back, court documents indicate.

The family also wants money for damages, court costs, attorney fees and expert fees.

Wow. Some people...
 
I think it would be prudent to have an advertising that stairs may be bad for people with handicapped legs.

I mean seriously. Do they also expect Nintendo to go out and test everyone to see if they are prone to seizures?!



Here's an idea, if someone makes a BS sue, like this one, I believe the government has the right to take all the accuser's possessions. Every damn thing. And then, throw them in to Federal fuck me up the ass prison.

This shit should not be tolerated anymore.
 
Iwata should just have them killed. That's what I would do... as Nintendo President.
 
olimario said:
150 years ago you had to pump your own water out of a well just to get a drink and nobody complained about that shit. It's 2 seconds of your time. Invest in some Ritalin if it bothers you.
Meh, I think people are perfectly justified in complaining about being forced to sit through shit before they can play/watch the thing they purchased. Whether it's excessively long credits or warnings or lengthy menu introductions in games or DVDs, it all sucks. Time is money, and no one wants to waste more time than they need to.
 
its the law suits. damn parents cant stop suing nintendo. Soon every game is going to packaged with a child Physicologist
 
I'm waiting for the day when we'll be getting an ESRB warning screen on all games. You know that it's only a matter of time.
 
Drakken said:
Wow. Some people...
Seriously. How hard is it for parents to put a little time and effort into researching what their kids watch and/or play? All of these warnings and restrictions are getting to be absolutely ridiculous.
 
djtiesto said:
Rez has this screen, too... in that game, it actually makes sense to have it, though!

at least you don't have to press a button to skip it (it automatically advances without any interaction)

and yes it does make sense. damn game hurts my eyes when i play it in the dark :P

and the warning message kinda makes sense with wario ware twisted. damn those 'turn your gba 720 degrees' microgames
 
Wario64 said:
at least you don't have to press a button to skip it (it automatically advances without any interaction)

and yes it does make sense. damn game hurts my eyes when i play it in the dark :P

and the warning message kinda makes sense with wario ware twisted. damn those 'turn your gba 720 degrees' microgames

I can kind of understand the warning being there for games like Twisted and Boktai, but at least include an option to disable them.
 
There are people who say 40 seconds of loading on a PSP is acceptable, then those same people come back and say that they can't stand 2 seconds on a GBA.

Live with it.
 
olimario said:
150 years ago you had to pump your own water out of a well just to get a drink and nobody complained about that shit. It's 2 seconds of your time. Invest in some Ritalin if it bothers you.

Once again I agree with olimario...
 
WindyMan said:
There are people who say 40 seconds of loading on a PSP is acceptable, then those same people come back and say that they can't stand 2 seconds on a GBA.

Live with it.

Amen.

I don't even really think about it. It's there for one second, and then it's gone.

*shrugs*
 
WindyMan said:
There are people who say 40 seconds of loading on a PSP is acceptable, then those same people come back and say that they can't stand 2 seconds on a GBA.

Live with it.

One is the result of necessity, the other the result of bowing down to a lawsuit. Never did I say it was a big deal, just an annoying and unnecessary one, and it's likely just going to pave the way for more annoying similar things in the future.
 
Gen.Wedge said:
Seriously. How hard is it for parents to put a little time and effort into researching what their kids watch and/or play? All of these warnings and restrictions are getting to be absolutely ridiculous.



dude its the generation X parent generation... You cant expect them to actually you know parent!? can you?

psaw what would dave mathews, flavored coffee, and hootie say...... :)
 
Timo said:
40 second load times aren't a necessity.


what an asshole.

It's an optical-storage based system, how are load times (even occasionally long ones) going to be avoided? But you're right, simply labeling me an "asshole" is a much easier alternative to explaining how it isn't...
 
They do this because something came about from the lawsuit a couple years ago regarding that 30 year old still living with his mom. Remember the guy who went into a siezure playing N64?
 
tedtropy said:
It's an optical-storage based system, how are load times (even occasionally long ones) going to be avoided? But you're right, simply labeling me an "asshole" is a much easier alternative to explaining how it isn't...

it is.
 
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