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[Lonely1]

MOSCOW, February 8 (RIA Novosti) – The number of people who support the Soviet political system has grown in Russia, a survey published by the Russian independent pollster Levada Center found.

Today, 36 percent of Russians regard the Soviet system as the best one for the country, compared to 29 percent in 2012. The number of Western democracy supporters has fallen from 29 percent to 22 percent, Levada Center reported. Only 17 percent said they remain loyal to the existing political system, a three percent drop from last year.

The survey also posed a question about the economic system. Poll results show that more than half of Russians (51 percent) support an economic model based on state planning (49 percent in 2012). Only 29 percent spoke in favor of private ownership and a free market system (36 percent in 2012).

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[R10Neymarfan]

NOooooO!!! What about 2018 World Cup?

 

[Soyongdori]

This reminds me of the quote from the movie Transsiberian

We were people living in the darkness, now we are people dying in the light. Which is better? When it was USSR a man lived until 65 years, now it is 58 years. I know this fact very well, I am 58. In Russia now we say there are only 2 kinds people, those who leave in private jet, and those who leave in coffin.

 

[markot]

A dictatorship is better than a dictatorship with a democratic facade.

 

[Escape Goat]

Didn't Putin rig the election last (every?) time?

 

[Jimothy]

A dictatorship is better than a dictatorship with a democratic facade.

The concept of freedom is overrated. As long as people have basic needs like healthcare, food, and housing taken care of, I don't think they really care about things like freedom of speech and religion.

 

[Dragoon En Regalia]

I understand why they're growing in number, and it's not a pretty sight. Russia's a nation so drenched in extremes, white or red, that it'll take more than competent political management to avert future disasters.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I've seen Berliners online unironically call for a return to the DDR, so this doesn't shock me at all.

 

[Prez]

The concept of freedom is overrated. As long as people have basic needs like healthcare, food, and housing taken care of, I don't think they really care what kind of political system they live in.

Isn't that pretty much what Libya was like?

 

[yankeeforever2]

The concept of freedom is overrated. As long as people have basic needs like healthcare, food, and housing taken care of, I don't think they really care about things like freedom of speech and religion.

Wow people actually believe this. Scary

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo.

 

[markot]

The concept of freedom is overrated. As long as people have basic needs like healthcare, food, and housing taken care of, I don't think they really care about things like freedom of speech and religion.

I disagree, its just that people are less likley to 'rock the boat' when they have thier needs met, take one away and change comes.

 

[lastplayed]

In post-Soviet Russia, people dictate government!

Wait, what?

 

[Jimothy]

Isn't that pretty much what Libya was like?

We'll see what happens with the situation there. If the government starts tearing apart the social safety net and allows foreign oil companies to take over, we'll how much the average Libyan misses Gaddafi.

Wow people actually believe this. Scary

You should read a little about Nazi Germany. What I said is really not that controversial.

 

[paile]

A dictatorship is better than a dictatorship with a democratic facade.

Why is this so easy to see with countries like Russia and so hard to see with countries like America?

Both are dictatorships with democratic facades.

 

[Acheron]

Why is this so easy to see with countries like Russia and so hard to see with countries like America?

Both are dictatorships with democratic facades.

Because the US ain't a dictatorship, chief.

 

[subversus]

The issue is that the majority of this populace aren't bright (well, this is not unique to Russia) and they don't understand that state planning isn't possible these days unless you like to eat your own countrymen NK-style. People who want state planning back are old people with bad education or young people who don't remember how people had to wait 20 years to buy a car or waste their annual income for a video cassette player.

Anyway I'm planning to leave the country in the next few years. Putin plans to exploit this populace because people with brain don't believe him and I don't want to fall a victim to some idiots in charge.

 

[Stumpokapow]

I read this more as "My life sucks I want things to change" then an actual full-throated endorsement of Soviet Socialism.

 

[yn-neko hates a cat]

Many young people in South Korea want to be re-acquainted with the North. This is why history repeats itself.

 

[ezrarh]

I read this more as "My life sucks I want things to change" then an actual full-throated endorsement of Soviet Socialism.

Pretty much. Russia has a huge inequality problem right now and Putin isn't likely to change much.

 

[epmode]

Because the US ain't a dictatorship, chief.

Right. An oligarchy, sure, but not a dictatorship.

 

[hirokazu]

Many young people in South Korea want to be re-acquainted with the North. This is why history repeats itself.

I don't think that's the same thing.

 

[Lonely1]

Right. An oligarchy, sure, but not a dictatorship.

Isn't it a plutocracy?

 

[Kabouter]

Russia is dying, I'm not surprised people are desperate enough to say they want a return of the Soviet system. They'll take anything that might change their personal fortunes.

Wow people actually believe this. Scary

It's true to a degree though, after all, it was only when food prices became so high people couldn't feed their families that the Arab spring started in Tunisia. It wasn't an inherent demand for more rights or a simple rejection of dictatorship. People will generally go for whatever system they perceive as having their best interests at heart rather than one they agree with out of principle; if they can be made to believe a dictatorship offers them greater food and employment security, that is what they'll support.

Many young people in South Korea want to be re-acquainted with the North. This is why history repeats itself.

History repeats itself, one of the most ridiculous things people believe.

 

[temp]

Isn't it a plutocracy?

Plutocracy is a kind of oligarchy?

 

[Valnen]

The concept of freedom is overrated. As long as people have basic needs like healthcare, food, and housing taken care of, I don't think they really care about things like freedom of speech and religion.

Life doesn't mean much if it's miserable. A country where you're not allowed to say anything bad about the government is not one worth living in.

 

[Synth_floyd]

Yay Soviet Russia!

 

[Protein]

Call of Duty was right etc etc

 

[ConfusingJazz]

]It's true to a degree though, after all, it was only when food prices became so high people couldn't feed their families that the Arab spring started in Tunisia. It wasn't an inherent demand for more rights or a simple rejection of dictatorship. People will generally go for whatever system they perceive as having their best interests at heart rather than one they agree with out of principle; if they can be made to believe a dictatorship offers them greater food and employment security, that is what they'll support.

In general, this is my feeling on the subject. Unless there are breadlines, the government probably won't be overthrown.

 

[Angry Fork]

From what I've read there's a large growing population of socialists/communists that want a return to what was good about the Soviet system (or at least the idea of it, nationalization when necessary, better healthcare etc.) while rejecting totalitarianism and welcoming freedom of speech/press.

Pussy Riot is part of this clique as well and they've gotten a lot of media support despite the church having vast sway. And the Communist party still comes in 2nd place during elections (with the percentage growing), so I hope a tide is turning against Putinism but I don't live there or know what ordinary people think. Putin has brought stability and growth compared to the 90s, so I imagine people are too weary for another dramatic change.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=11391

 

[strobogo]

I feel like this kind of shit always happens. Every country has some terrible/embarassing time that people want to go back to. They're almost always people who didn't live through that era. In America, it's backing the Confederacy. In Germany, Nazis. In Korea, wanting to join up with Best Korea. Russia (and various other Soviet States), the USSR. It's weird. Is there a group of neo Khmers in Cambodia?

 

[EVOL 100%]

Many young people in South Korea want to be re-acquainted with the North. This is why history repeats itself.

Uh, no. And I have no idea what you're point is.

I feel like this kind of shit always happens. Every country has some terrible/embarassing time that people want to go back to. In Korea, wanting to join up with Best Korea.

You mean wanting to go back to a time when our country wasn't torn apart by a war fueled by batshit insane people and international politic shenanigans is bad?

A better parallel would be nostalgia for the militaristic dictatorship in the '70s~'80s.

 

[rpmurphy]

Wow people actually believe this. Scary

The great danger in these hard times are the people who wish to live in homogeneous societies and tell others they should wish this as well.

 

[Lonely1]

Yay Soviet Russia!

Re-host that. :/

 

[grimshawish]

Not surprising. There are huge amounts of Russians who have seen the state robbed from them and the state police have been replaced by Mafia's who are just as corrupt as the state was.

Modern Russia is a just a return to the corrupt aristocracy that cause the revolution in the first place; so none of this is really surprising.

It didn't help that Russia was encouraged to take on a really fucking stupid version of democracy during the reforms that left it open to being torn apart then overrun by corrupt powers.


For some Russians their life hasn't moved on in 30 years. Why would they prefer this system if it does nothing for them?

 

[Tacitus_]

Wow people actually believe this. Scary

You can't eat principles, chief.

 

[MrHicks]

will any world leader ever have the balls to call putin a dictator?
many european leaders meet the guy all pretending hes a legit president while they all know in private its all bullshit

this public charade is insulting to the people intelligence

 

[PBalfredo]

You can't eat principles, chief.

You're not gonna be eating any better in a gulag.

 

[sphagnum]

Gee I wonder why. Could it be that living standards were better under Soviet rule than under capitalist rule and that people in the USSR actually wanted it to remain a union rather than be broken apart? The world may never know!

 

[Kurtofan]

Some major screw ups happened.

 

[industrian]

"Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain."

-- Putin.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Every ex-communist countey has a large supporting base for communist parties, although people were overwhelmingly in favour of a transition into capitalism. There's a number of people who value job security over job income and this forms the core motivation of supporting the old system. You couldn't really get fired during communism. And then there are people who are simply nostalgic and those who are unhappy with peesent state of things and would like to change them no matter if its for better or worst.

"Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain."

-- Putin.

And he's right.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Better that than the neo-Nazi and Fascists that have been growing in power in Eastern Europe.

 

[TacticalFox88]

So who's ready for Cold War 2.0 that's coming in the next decade or so?

Anyone?

 

[sphagnum]

[insert fake Putin quote]

And he's right.

This quote is apocryphal.

 

[pants]

Could someone explain the US' deep seated hatred of communism to me? (in brief)

 

[grimshawish]

Could someone explain the US' deep seated hatred of communism to me? (in brief)

Its no different from fascism except theres no benefit to the US from a closed uncompetitive market. And people seem to think its contagious.

 

[Rocket Scientist]

This is my kind of thread.

Could someone explain the US' deep seated hatred of communism to me? (in brief)

Capitalist politicians scaring the population in order to maintain their power and dissuade people from unionizing and demanding more worker's rights I would guess.

 

[JordanN]

Could someone explain the US' deep seated hatred of communism to me? (in brief)

U.S is capitalist/private ownership based. Communism seeks to eliminate class structure and ownership is decided by the government.

The two run into a problem when you have stuff like Doctors and Janitors making different wages and can own property.

Although the hatred goes deeper than that. See stuff like McCarthyism.