DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Care to elaborate?Rorschach said:
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I personally don't want "show blitz" to get removed. It happens in real life for a reason...to confuse the defense.
And as for the whole Shawn fiasco, some of you guys really need to man the fuck up and stop secretly pouting after you lose. Yeah you might've gotten beaten on some repetitive plays that you thought were 'abuse' ... well, call a better defensive play. Everything can be stopped. Or MAYBE your players just aren't good, and rating wise, cannot keep up.
Unless of course that accuser has their definition of "cheese" in mind which I'd love to hear.
And as for the whole Shawn fiasco, some of you guys really need to man the fuck up and stop secretly pouting after you lose. Yeah you might've gotten beaten on some repetitive plays that you thought were 'abuse' ... well, call a better defensive play. Everything can be stopped. Or MAYBE your players just aren't good, and rating wise, cannot keep up.
Unless of course that accuser has their definition of "cheese" in mind which I'd love to hear.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
But what is it in reference to?Rorschach said:
NVM. I found it on Wikipedia.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Using short, high punts every punt to try and cause a fumble is one repetitive play that I think is abuse especially since the window to call a fair catch has been shortened this year.ph33nix said:
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Lonestar,
I should be around at 915PM tonight. See you then!
I should be around at 915PM tonight. See you then!
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Anyone want to play tonight when I get home, I am trying to get some reps in for my matchup with TheCrow.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
What time are you getting home?Wellington said:
BigJonsson
Member
LiveWire said:
So pas to RB or TE = profit
I count 6 TE's.....
BigJonsson
Member
Passing to the TE is way too effective in Madden
BigJonsson
Member
Rorschach said:
lol
Last year I busted a 97 yard TD pass to Kevin Boss.........only in Madden
CB3 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYBTCTN5NW0&feature=related
Won't be able to play till around 9 to 10 cst.
Shawnwhann
Banned
In response to the replies since my last message, I'd like to thank everyone that stood up for me and spoke truth to power.
Aside from the disappointment of not having my shot at GAF-Madden history with a perfect season, my biggest fear from this fallout was that my legacy would be linked to the likes of some of the more infamous characters that have come and go. After reading FMT's PM this morning, lacking specificity and all, I started to wonder if I really was "that guy." But because of your overwhelming outpouring of support on the thread, IMs, and PMs this morning/afternoon, I know that I'm not the caricature that some people make me out to be, and that's all I'll need as the book closes on me here.
Thanks again everyone!
Aside from the disappointment of not having my shot at GAF-Madden history with a perfect season, my biggest fear from this fallout was that my legacy would be linked to the likes of some of the more infamous characters that have come and go. After reading FMT's PM this morning, lacking specificity and all, I started to wonder if I really was "that guy." But because of your overwhelming outpouring of support on the thread, IMs, and PMs this morning/afternoon, I know that I'm not the caricature that some people make me out to be, and that's all I'll need as the book closes on me here.
Thanks again everyone!
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
I used to get shit all the time for passing so much to Shockey but what was I supposed to do he was my highest rated player. Now Kevin Boss is like an afterthought for me even though he is my highest rated receiver at 83 OVR.BigJonsson said:
Also, to be fair, if you combine the receptions of both of my top two RBs, I would be in the top ten receptions with my super back. I don't really go to the flats that much tho, moreso towards the middle of the field.
ph33nix said:
Since everyone seems to think I'm the only one responsible for Shawn getting the boot (which, btw, I never asked for), I don't know why I am bothering to post this cause it seems the haters' minds are already made up. But whatever.
Call a better defensive play? Really? Really? I have the 2nd best passing defense in the league, behind only Rorschach (who universally gets credited for being the best Madden player), tied for 3rd best turnover differential, lead the league in forced fumbles and fumbles recovered, almost all of my INTs are from my defensive schemes, not from user picks or people making hail mary throws at me because I'm up by 35 points. If there's one thing I do right in Madden, it's defense. I've had plenty of practice over the years with my horrible passing skills combined with Brunell and Campbell's noodle-arming everything and setting me up in all sorts of tough defensive positions.
So when I say that he was "cheesing" offensively, I'd like to think I'd get a little bit a credit for knowing what to do defensively in most situations. But of course, I don't, likely because I play the Redskins, and I've had nothing but losing records in the GAF Madden leagues in the past. I guess there's no way I could possibly have gotten better, I must be complaining because I suck and need help from the commish to win games or get rid of any competition.
For most of the game, even with his line-drive punting down the sidelines, going for it on 4th down then waiting to see if I would call a timeout to stop him, etc. I put up with it.
But he was shut down the entire game, and IIRC his only play of more than 20 yds was when I hit the player switch button at the exact moment Romo threw to Crayton, pulling off Horton who was in perfect position to make a deflection or pick. That happens, so I wasn't too concerned since I was shutting him down all day.
But when it came down to the wire, when I took a 13-10 lead with under 5 minutes to go in the 4th, on 3rd and 2, Shawn blatantly took advantage of L-running to give himself a go-ahead touchdown late in the game. Flat pass to Barber almost immediately after the snap to the right, and didn't even try to move up the field to gain two yards for the first. Beeline to the yard marker. Not head-turned forwards going slightly diagonally forwards trying to find a hole behind his blockers (there were none on that side of the field), head towards the bench running the the boundary, and then stop on a dime turning and running ahead. I still got my player to him, cause I knew he was going to do it, but he broke a tackle and was wide open to the endzone. This isn't an issue of me not knowing how to playcall defensively, or not knowing how to tackle. I called flats coverage with the CBs and my DEs and even put Orakpo in a right side of the field zone coverage just in case.
Some of you will say, tough shit, it happens. I think it just goes to show his mentality. I think Shawn believes he is playing fairly, but there's just a little too much at stake for him. He even posted before the game "but I'll be damned if Livewire is the one that's going to bring me down. FUCK. THAT.
" Well, that's exactly what was going to happen before he had to resort to anything to win. It seems obvious that I'm alone on this, and if so, so be it. I think I've put up with far more losses than anyone and have a good understanding of what's fair and what's not given the limitations of EA's programming and the good sportsmanship we try to uphold. But I stand by my perception that Shawn doesn't play in that spirit.
Hell, I'll even put my money where my mouth is.....I offer myself up if you really think I'm in the wrong and am bitching for no reason. If more people in the league think I'm a less sportsmanlike player than Shawn, I'll ask FMT to put him back in (recall again that I did not ask for Shawn to be booted from the league) and you can kick me out.
Shawnwhann said:
wtf are you serious?
so now i get to look forward to playing against the cpu in week 14, which i built up as my game of the year? really?
i guess i can see where fmt is coming from. lord knows i have to deal with enough drama in the 2K leagues, but maybe a stern warning would of been better? you did a pretty good job explaining how your game against live wasn't cheese.
i don't agree with banning you personally. i think that if people have a problem with somebodys play they need to say it in here, or do it over a PM.
Well, Looking at his games this year, he's blown out the other player in 4 games:
GCQuinton 51-7
Chiefs (Malley or CPU?) 45-13
DCX 52-10 (deservedly so )
CoooooldBloooded 49-17
Then I figure 2 "almost blowouts":
Bluemax 26-7
BigAT 42-25
So which one of you...</witchhunt>
:lol :lol
Looking at recieving stats, I guess Shawn was a "TE/RB CHEESER"
47 TE receptions 763 yards 5 td compared to:
57 WR receptions 878 yards 7tds
38 RB receptions 629 yards 8 tds
12 who? receptions 113 yards 1 td
Wait...that doesn't add up.
(but it does tell me he likes to go to his RB's in red zone situation. 16ish yard average and a TD pass every 4.75 completions)
Here's mine:
73 WR receptions 1261 yards 9 TD's
45 TE receptions 722 yards 5 TDs
46 RB receptions 375 yards 1 TD
What the...that can't be right, I feel like I throw to Ben Watson every down.
Maybe it's something else.
GCQuinton 51-7
Chiefs (Malley or CPU?) 45-13
DCX 52-10 (deservedly so
)CoooooldBloooded 49-17
Then I figure 2 "almost blowouts":
Bluemax 26-7
BigAT 42-25
So which one of you...</witchhunt>
:lol :lol
Looking at recieving stats, I guess Shawn was a "TE/RB CHEESER"
47 TE receptions 763 yards 5 td compared to:
57 WR receptions 878 yards 7tds
38 RB receptions 629 yards 8 tds
12 who? receptions 113 yards 1 td
Wait...that doesn't add up.
(but it does tell me he likes to go to his RB's in red zone situation. 16ish yard average and a TD pass every 4.75 completions)
Here's mine:
73 WR receptions 1261 yards 9 TD's
45 TE receptions 722 yards 5 TDs
46 RB receptions 375 yards 1 TD
What the...that can't be right, I feel like I throw to Ben Watson every down.
Maybe it's something else.
DCX
DCX
I had a big write up on the Shawn issue, but i deleted it. I'll sum it up. Good guy, shitty sportsman. Doesn't cheese but tip toes the boundaries of cheese and rules and loves to blame it on " the flow of the game " " i'm just doing what i need to do to win "
Should he have been punted? Meh, but i'm glad i'm not the only one to bitch and notice things. I'm also glad the L running issue has come to light
DCX
Should he have been punted? Meh, but i'm glad i'm not the only one to bitch and notice things. I'm also glad the L running issue has come to light
DCX
DCX
DCX
Lets air something out, you seem awful hurt..err i mean upset by my game against you. Did i do anything gameplay wise that resulted in you feeling bad about my win or was it just the fact that i scored that last TD? and that is so happened to be a pass on third and short after two running plays that were blown up by your D?Lonestar said:Well, Looking at his games this year, he's blown out the other player in 4 games:
GCQuinton 51-7
Chiefs (Malley or CPU?) 45-13
DCX 52-10 (deservedly so
CoooooldBloooded 49-17
Then I figure 2 "almost blowouts":
Bluemax 26-7
BigAT 42-25
So which one of you...</witchhunt>
:lol :lol
Looking at recieving stats, I guess Shawn was a "TE/RB CHEESER"
47 TE receptions 763 yards 5 td compared to:
57 WR receptions 878 yards 7tds
38 RB receptions 629 yards 8 tds
12 who? receptions 113 yards 1 td
Wait...that doesn't add up.
(but it does tell me he likes to go to his RB's in red zone situation. 16ish yard average and a TD pass every 4.75 completions)
Here's mine:
73 WR receptions 1261 yards 9 TD's
45 TE receptions 722 yards 5 TDs
46 RB receptions 375 yards 1 TD
What the...that can't be right, I feel like I throw to Ben Watson every down.
Maybe it's something else.
I can see where it should have been a better option to just run a third time and kick the FG and move on..my bad...third quarter i just felt it was fine...especially after most of my points were due to ints ( field position etc ) Again my bad
DCX
Well, the last TD sucked, and was too much (only thing I dislike in these leagues. When the game is obviously over, lets just it be over). But no, I'm playing with AWALT, and throwing tons of picks. A game of errors, that I just wanted over. Alot of those points scored were a result of my lack-of play.
I'm fine with the score of 42-10, midway through the 3rd, couple with my lack of almost any sort of offense, I wasn't "making a comeback". Towards the middle/end of the 3rd, you had the longer TD drive, coupled with the pass from the 10 yard line on 3rd down, well, it sucked. So, I stuffed you on 2 run plays. You averaged 5 yards a carry for the game. Big deal.
Then after the disconnect (which I didn't want to happen, but seemed to happen. I'm forced out, and you get to continue on against the CPU, which I said to do so). An extra FG afterward I'm gone, is a tacky thing to do (to me).
But I'm not going to whine and ask for you to be kicked. I might have thought about a reprimand to FMT (never did), but viewed the Falcons/Cowboys game with the same score, as a sort of schadenfreude
I'm fine with the score of 42-10, midway through the 3rd, couple with my lack of almost any sort of offense, I wasn't "making a comeback". Towards the middle/end of the 3rd, you had the longer TD drive, coupled with the pass from the 10 yard line on 3rd down, well, it sucked. So, I stuffed you on 2 run plays. You averaged 5 yards a carry for the game. Big deal.
Then after the disconnect (which I didn't want to happen, but seemed to happen. I'm forced out, and you get to continue on against the CPU, which I said to do so). An extra FG afterward I'm gone, is a tacky thing to do (to me).
But I'm not going to whine and ask for you to be kicked. I might have thought about a reprimand to FMT (never did), but viewed the Falcons/Cowboys game with the same score, as a sort of schadenfreude
Wellington said:I used to get shit all the time for passing so much to Shockey but what was I supposed to do he was my highest rated player. Now Kevin Boss is like an afterthought for me even though he is my highest rated receiver at 83 OVR.
Also, to be fair, if you combine the receptions of both of my top two RBs, I would be in the top ten receptions with my super back. I don't really go to the flats that much tho, moreso towards the middle of the field.
No one ever gave me crap about Gates except about not throwing the out post as it wasn't covered by the AI a lot of times.
Honestly a lot of my throws to Gates and now to Carlson are simply me making a hot read because some of you assholes big blitz me all the time. If you guys want to send 8 men all the time I'm going to throw the quickest safest route that nets me some yards.
The rest are because those guys are among the best receivers on my teams so why the hell wouldn't I get them the ball?
Lonestar said:
His last TD came I think of a pick 6 during a desperation drive. So not a blow out.
DCX
DCX
my badLonestar said:Well, the last TD sucked, and was too much (only thing I dislike in these leagues. When the game is obviously over, lets just it be over). But no, I'm playing with AWALT, and throwing tons of picks. A game of errors, that I just wanted over. Alot of those points scored were a result of my lack-of play.
I'm fine with the score of 42-10, midway through the 3rd, couple with my lack of almost any sort of offense, I wasn't "making a comeback". Towards the middle/end of the 3rd, you had the longer TD drive, coupled with the pass from the 10 yard line on 3rd down, well, it sucked. So, I stuffed you on 2 run plays. You averaged 5 yards a carry for the game. Big deal.
Then after the disconnect (which I didn't want to happen, but seemed to happen. I'm forced out, and you get to continue on against the CPU, which I said to do so). An extra FG afterward I'm gone, is a tacky thing to do (to me).
But I'm not going to whine and ask for you to be kicked. I might have thought about a reprimand to FMT (never did), but viewed the Falcons/Cowboys game with the same score, as a sort of schadenfreude
DCX
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Sucks that Shawn got booted. I played him a couple of times in past seasons and never had a issue with his game.
Only people that really ever fucked up the madden leagues imo were the two douche bag brothers Ando and Birdshit.
Only people that really ever fucked up the madden leagues imo were the two douche bag brothers Ando and Birdshit.
sableholic
Member
has anyone ever had madden rule the catch not a td inside two minutes and then the computer never reviewed the play? cause I just had that happen and it was pretty damn clear it was a td, nobody even touched the guy. fucking ea fucking madden
Sigh I hate this game.
Just lost to the Vikiings, we played 3 times last night but it disconnected each time and each time it was tied.
Today? I fall behind 21-3 and never recover. Even when I cut it to two TDs late with a chance get back in, Percy fucking Harvin returns it for a TD.
I hate this game and I hate Percy Harvin.
Just lost to the Vikiings, we played 3 times last night but it disconnected each time and each time it was tied.
Today? I fall behind 21-3 and never recover. Even when I cut it to two TDs late with a chance get back in, Percy fucking Harvin returns it for a TD.
I hate this game and I hate Percy Harvin.
You are so angry with this game.
Unfortunately sometimes you get hit by bad luck and can't do much about it. I had two straight quarters of dominating the cardinals and two consecutive disconnections, and then on the third game I had a bunch of bad luck plays happen all game. Not much you can do is look past and move on!
Unfortunately sometimes you get hit by bad luck and can't do much about it. I had two straight quarters of dominating the cardinals and two consecutive disconnections, and then on the third game I had a bunch of bad luck plays happen all game. Not much you can do is look past and move on!
I saw this in another thread:
:lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSCNxUDga6o
"THAT'S WHY I PLAY BASKETBALL!"
:lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSCNxUDga6o
"THAT'S WHY I PLAY BASKETBALL!"
Mrbob said:You are so angry with this game.
Unfortunately sometimes you get hit by bad luck and can't do much about it. I had two straight quarters of dominating the cardinals and two consecutive disconnections, and then on the third game I had a bunch of bad luck plays happen all game. Not much you can do is look past and move on!
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
greetings friends.
regarding shawn, here is the run down. a lot of people (vets included) did not want shawn in the league prior to this franchise starting. i disregarded that for a few reasons:
1. shawn is one of the more dependable players around
2. he is good competition
i'm disappointed it came to this but we can't have a league where a bunch of people are saying "hey next time i come up to play this guy just sim my game, i refuse to play him, etc".
now i talked to shawn prior to the season making it known that, right or wrong, he was going to be scrutinized during the season and watched closely. i've had issues in basically every season he has played in and i have always supported him or tried to work it out.
i told shawn this and i will say it here, he is the type of player that wants to win and will do anything to win. i think a lot of the tactics he has that people take issue with would not be considered "un-sim" in the NFL.
but i think the problem is that at times he forgets this is not the NFL. this is a videogame, and there are exploits. i'm not going to beat around the bush: shawn is a veteran player, he is clearly one of the top players around (and not just on gaf) and he knows what he is doing.
you can say the people complaining are only complaining because they lost. this does have some truth to it. my concern is when certain adverse situations arise what is going to happen? what is going to happen when he is playing someone and down by 7 late in the 4th with or without the ball? he's going to do "whatever it takes" to win.
well that's all well and good within the scope of the NFL, but this isn't the NFL. i just feel that it's not a good situation to have in the league. i want competitive games and for people to be interested, not for an "all bets are off" type of play when the chips are down, and that is the vibe i am getting and have always gotten from his end.
now this was a harsh decision and it is a difficult decision. i have always backed shawn and if this were a 2 person league with he and i in the league we wouldn't have a problem. but it's not. this was not a "well livewire complained, adios shawn!" type of deal. it's ridiculous to think i'm that fickle and that no thought went into this. there are other people in the league i have to consider and truth be told this has been a long time coming.
regarding shawn, here is the run down. a lot of people (vets included) did not want shawn in the league prior to this franchise starting. i disregarded that for a few reasons:
1. shawn is one of the more dependable players around
2. he is good competition
i'm disappointed it came to this but we can't have a league where a bunch of people are saying "hey next time i come up to play this guy just sim my game, i refuse to play him, etc".
now i talked to shawn prior to the season making it known that, right or wrong, he was going to be scrutinized during the season and watched closely. i've had issues in basically every season he has played in and i have always supported him or tried to work it out.
i told shawn this and i will say it here, he is the type of player that wants to win and will do anything to win. i think a lot of the tactics he has that people take issue with would not be considered "un-sim" in the NFL.
but i think the problem is that at times he forgets this is not the NFL. this is a videogame, and there are exploits. i'm not going to beat around the bush: shawn is a veteran player, he is clearly one of the top players around (and not just on gaf) and he knows what he is doing.
you can say the people complaining are only complaining because they lost. this does have some truth to it. my concern is when certain adverse situations arise what is going to happen? what is going to happen when he is playing someone and down by 7 late in the 4th with or without the ball? he's going to do "whatever it takes" to win.
well that's all well and good within the scope of the NFL, but this isn't the NFL. i just feel that it's not a good situation to have in the league. i want competitive games and for people to be interested, not for an "all bets are off" type of play when the chips are down, and that is the vibe i am getting and have always gotten from his end.
now this was a harsh decision and it is a difficult decision. i have always backed shawn and if this were a 2 person league with he and i in the league we wouldn't have a problem. but it's not. this was not a "well livewire complained, adios shawn!" type of deal. it's ridiculous to think i'm that fickle and that no thought went into this. there are other people in the league i have to consider and truth be told this has been a long time coming.
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