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Oh Saddam, you're such a card.
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Alcibiades
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lmao that's awesome...
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
Marion Barry got re-elected.
Alcibiades
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he wasn't a communist...Diablos said:Saddam is like the Dubya of the sadistic communist world. He sticks with one method of thinking and doesn't change it regardless of his situation.
Could you imagine the international hilarity that would ensue if Saddam actually won a fair election?
Honestly, if his name does appear on the ballot, he will get a significant percentage of the votes. Not enough to win (maybe not even close to winning) but a sizeable percentage nonetheless.
Honestly, if his name does appear on the ballot, he will get a significant percentage of the votes. Not enough to win (maybe not even close to winning) but a sizeable percentage nonetheless.
Exactly.MetatronM said:
In all honesty, so long as the Iraqi PM keeps him from winning (regardless of his votes), I would LOVE to see Saddam run. Just to show the ultra-optimistic right-wing people that the idea of most Iraqis loving America is not true.
My neighbor was actually like "yeah... I always see clips of Iraqis saying how much they love America" and yadda yadda yadda. Good lord, get your head out of your ass!
aka: I'm too stupid to tell if you were being sarcastic or not.
Another thing about everyone that just LOVED to see the Iraqis get their "freedom" - I'd bet you any amount of money that those people are the SAME ones that said "nuke 'em all, I don't care" from after the Gulf war to even after 9/11. Only now do they change their stance because they feel so inclined to back Bush.
Another thing about everyone that just LOVED to see the Iraqis get their "freedom" - I'd bet you any amount of money that those people are the SAME ones that said "nuke 'em all, I don't care" from after the Gulf war to even after 9/11. Only now do they change their stance because they feel so inclined to back Bush.
Alcibiades
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I don't know that people that supported the war think Iraqis "love" America, as much as they see benefits from not living under a dictatorship anymore.
If anything, allowing him to run and him not winning would ensure that people in the outside world got confirmation that Iraqis would not want to be lviing under him anymore (although a poll had Saddam support at 42%, but I'm not sure if that still holds today).
If anything, allowing him to run and him not winning would ensure that people in the outside world got confirmation that Iraqis would not want to be lviing under him anymore (although a poll had Saddam support at 42%, but I'm not sure if that still holds today).
Guileless said:
Thats the point im trying to get to. People here don't realize it but the Ba'ath still have a strong influence in Iraq. They are threatening people in order to get things their way. The Ba'ath don't have military power in terms of firepower, but they are very effective in using fear to control the population. They have gained so much experience in the use of fear that they really are tough to rival in terms of placing fear in a person's heart. It's what they specialize in and you won't believe the absurd things they would do just to control the population.
Alcibiades
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I think O'Reilly cited it in his interview with President Bush, but I really doubt it would hold up as it's from quite a while back and probably not very accurate.Firest0rm said:
JoshuaJSlone
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True. But so is the idea that a reliable, scientific election can be taken in Iraq.Guileless said:
I suppose that's what the trial is for.Substance said:
You say "a while back", but the linked-to story says "recent". Though neither phrasing is being precise.efralope said:
Alcibiades
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I think this article intends to state that the poll was conducted 5 months ago
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/...--vote-me-in-as-your-president-name_page.html
during the brutal spring attacks where Bush's numbers nosedived.
I still doubt the accuracy (heck, I doubt the accuracy of US polls, I think it's a dead heat or Kerry edge considering the new voter registrations and the age-group demographics tending under 30 so they probably are not counting a lot of new voters with cell phones or that live in college dorms like me).
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/...--vote-me-in-as-your-president-name_page.html
during the brutal spring attacks where Bush's numbers nosedived.
I still doubt the accuracy (heck, I doubt the accuracy of US polls, I think it's a dead heat or Kerry edge considering the new voter registrations and the age-group demographics tending under 30 so they probably are not counting a lot of new voters with cell phones or that live in college dorms like me).
BigJonsson
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If they had full elections in Iraq where every Iraqi over 18 could vote, including the religious extremists, they would probobaly elect a government that hated the US
I feel bad for the Iraqi people -- presuming the 42% figure is true, that would indicate that many Iraqis are so dissatisfied with the way things are going with the US that they would actually prefer a return to an often-brutal dictatorship. That's a pretty telling sentiment.
BigJonsson
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Exactly why Iraq won't be a democracy even though the US says it is
Alcibiades
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which is why it's smart to keep using the word "democracy" as a front term to really implement a representative republic with (hopefully) guaranteed rights and protection for minorities.scola said:
Even the US operates this way.
Although the process is democratic, the US selects the President through an electoral college and our legislature is basically chosen state-by-state and not through nation-wide voting-day tallies.
"Mob democracy" has only really been practiced in ancient Greece, and it was pretty down and dirty and not always civil.
Spectral Glider
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This has to be his campaign song:
"Saddam A Go-Go
I at the time was a communist
Lived on a collective farm
She was a part-time anarchist
Our sex went off like a bomb
Living the life of a terrorist
Looking for the man Saddam,
Who gave me a gun as Iran to the sun
If you die like a dog then you are then you are Saddam
They shall drown in their own blood!
Hail Saddam a go-go!
Going to Saddam a go-go
Everybody is there
Business of strange bed fellows
Makes you dance around like a bear
Ein, Schwein, kick him in the eye
Teamed up with the Asian eye
They were the ones Who could rise with the sun
As they lived in their planes
And they died
[repeat a lot!]
How they died... Hail!
The running paper tiger chases its own tail
Hail Saddam a go-go
He was someone who was there for people like me
Hi there Saddam, loved the party
Yes they're all here with me
Bloody Saddam
Loves you always, always a kick
Bloody Saddam
Even though the smell is making me sick
As we sit on our roofs
And cheer as your scuds fall like rain
Here at the ancient ziggaraunt Saddam is presiding there
Running around with a saxophone Where is the president, where?
Here it comes, the black tornado
Let's have a cheer for Sarajevo
If you survive what falls out of his mind
You'll make the political world"
"Saddam A Go-Go
I at the time was a communist
Lived on a collective farm
She was a part-time anarchist
Our sex went off like a bomb
Living the life of a terrorist
Looking for the man Saddam,
Who gave me a gun as Iran to the sun
If you die like a dog then you are then you are Saddam
They shall drown in their own blood!
Hail Saddam a go-go!
Going to Saddam a go-go
Everybody is there
Business of strange bed fellows
Makes you dance around like a bear
Ein, Schwein, kick him in the eye
Teamed up with the Asian eye
They were the ones Who could rise with the sun
As they lived in their planes
And they died
[repeat a lot!]
How they died... Hail!
The running paper tiger chases its own tail
Hail Saddam a go-go
He was someone who was there for people like me
Hi there Saddam, loved the party
Yes they're all here with me
Bloody Saddam
Loves you always, always a kick
Bloody Saddam
Even though the smell is making me sick
As we sit on our roofs
And cheer as your scuds fall like rain
Here at the ancient ziggaraunt Saddam is presiding there
Running around with a saxophone Where is the president, where?
Here it comes, the black tornado
Let's have a cheer for Sarajevo
If you survive what falls out of his mind
You'll make the political world"
Saddam has long been known as the "Lyndon LaRouche of the east."
"The US isn't really a democracy, it's a representative republic" is the new "Final Fantasy 2 was really Final Fantasy 4."
I seriously doubt Saddam would get 42% of the vote. Hypothetically, his popular base would be Sunni arabs. Even simplifying the situation to assume he'd have 100% support there, that's only twenty-some percent. Not to mention they're concentrated in the regions that may not be able to participate in the election.
I'd worry a lot more about Moqtada Al-Sadr's popularity ratings than Saddam's right now.
Diablos: He's not kidding.
"The US isn't really a democracy, it's a representative republic" is the new "Final Fantasy 2 was really Final Fantasy 4."
I seriously doubt Saddam would get 42% of the vote. Hypothetically, his popular base would be Sunni arabs. Even simplifying the situation to assume he'd have 100% support there, that's only twenty-some percent. Not to mention they're concentrated in the regions that may not be able to participate in the election.
I'd worry a lot more about Moqtada Al-Sadr's popularity ratings than Saddam's right now.
Diablos: He's not kidding.
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