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old cartoons are a trip

Kilau

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StreetsofBeige said:
The art style of old animation could be creepy, but going on pure detail and smoothness it looks incredible. Like it has quadruple the frames compared to janky ass anime.
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How could you say such a thing?!

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Heimdall_Xtreme

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This is the Disney era that i like it...



Alice in Wonderland is always my favorite Movie of Disney




i love this scene and the sounds effects of old anime

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This is the anime that i like.... I always like until this time this Transformable Aircraft... The sound of transformation are cool.!
 
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nkarafo

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Old cartoons were made to show off... cartoons. You know, the animation. The walking, talking drawings. That was the whole point. The "story" or "plot" was only the background.

And what better way to show it off than frame by frame animation? You have 24 frames to work with? Good. That's 24 different frames of animation then. Because that's the best quality you can get. People wanted to see moving drawings and the more frames you draw, the better it looks. Simple as that.

But then people forgot why cartoons are made. Instead of making animation for the animation, they started caring more about the.... fucking story.

So now they just want to tell a story. They want cartoons to talk more and move less. But the animation gets in the way. Who has time to draw 24 frames of characters talking? Fuck that, lets make it half. let's make 12 fps the standard. Or even lower, why not?

And then Hanna-Barbera thought, hey, why not make it even cheaper and less labor intensive? Lets use still frames with only the mouths moving. Lets make everything move at 5 fps or something. Because who cares, we don't want to show off how good our animation is, we just want to fill some screen time with a plot and some jokes. But because we are so cheap and we don't want to use actors and sets, we can just use a bunch of drawings. We could even use slides but that would be too obvious.

What i'm trying to say is, nobody in the industry cares about good, hand made animation anymore. The last guy who did, Richard Williams, died recently. There are some very few exceptions but now (other than CGI) it's all about CalArts style of animation, with no detail or shading and super clean computer images, made with the same tools they use to make company logos. That, or Japanese anime, that are animated at 5 fps or something. Because now we just need some images to tell a story. Nobody wants to waste their time animating, just to show off cool animation. Let alone animate by hand. That's sad.
 
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Mistake

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nkarafo said:
Old cartoons were made to show off... cartoons. You know, the animation. The walking, talking drawings. That was the whole point. The "story" or "plot" was only the background.

And what better way to show it off than frame by frame animation? You have 24 frames to work with? Good. That's 24 different frames of animation then. Because that's the best quality you can get. People wanted to see moving drawings and the more frames you draw, the better it looks. Simple as that.

But then people forgot why cartoons are made. Instead of making animation for the animation, they started caring more about the.... fucking story.

So now they just want to tell a story. They want cartoons to talk more and move less. But the animation gets in the way. Who has time to draw 24 frames of characters talking? Fuck that, lets make it half. let's make 12 fps the standard. Or even lower, why not?

And then Hanna-Barbera thought, hey, why not make it even cheaper and less labor intensive? Lets use still frames with only the mouths moving. Lets make everything move at 5 fps or something. Because who cares, we don't want to show off how good our animation is, we just want to fill some screen time with a plot and some jokes. But because we are so cheap and we don't want to use actors and sets, we can just use a bunch of drawings. We could even use slides but that would be too obvious.

What i'm trying to say is, nobody in the industry cares about good, hand made animation anymore. The last guy who did, Richard Williams, died recently. There are some very few exceptions but now (other than CGI) it's all about CalArts style of animation, with no detail or shading and super clean computer images, made with the same tools they make company logos. That, or Japanese anime, that (at best) are animated at 5 fps or something. Because now we just need some moving images to tell a story. Nobody wants to waste their time animating, just to show off cool animation. Let alone animate by hand. That's sad.
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Yeah, older stuff was a lot more…wiggly and odd. I like that quirkiness a lot. Animaniacs and the acme cast weren’t too bad, but it was more in line with slapstick comedy
 
NeoIkaruGAF

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Heimdall_Xtreme said:
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Holy crap, I love this. The part where the dolls get shocked (in two different ways) to get their hair done is genius.
The scene with Santa and the black doll is why this stuff wouldn’t fly these days, though.

I especially love how old cartoons were about syncing sound and images. Even when plot became the main part of their works starting with Snow White, Disney studios still went on making purely musical scenes in their movies for quite some time.
 
InfiniteCombo

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When I was a kid I used to watch "The Tex Avery Show" on loop. Awesome old cartoons.

I need to dig that up and see if there's a streaming service that has it.
 
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Agent_Nobody

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Captain Star if anybody remembers it, it’s one of the weirdest and most surreal sci-fi shows ever made (but nobody’s ever heard of it).
 
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-Minsc-

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Agent_Nobody said:


Captain Star if anybody remembers it, it’s one of the weirdest and most surreal sci-fi shows ever made (but nobody’s ever heard of it).
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Wow. You just made my morning. I remember watching Captain Star over twenty years ago, perhaps twenty five. Was Captain Star actually good? I don't know, it certainly was odd and I remember it.

Things I remember about the series:

- He's the captain of the Boiling Hell. The ship is a "he".
- Star sitting in his wheelbarrow, waiting and waiting for his next mission.
- Essentially, the universe of Captain Star is "merchandising, merchandising, merchandising".

Looking into it, I see the show never aired in the US. No wonder I don't recall seeing it mentioned on GAF before.
 
Agent_Nobody

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-Minsc- said:
Wow. You just made my morning. I remember watching Captain Star over twenty years ago, perhaps twenty five. Was Captain Star actually good? I don't know, it certainly was odd and I remember it.

Things I remember about the series:

- He's the captain of the Boiling Hell. The ship is a "he".
- Star sitting in his wheelbarrow, waiting and waiting for his next mission.
- Essentially, the universe of Captain Star is "merchandising, merchandising, merchandising".

Looking into it, I see the show never aired in the US. No wonder I don't recall seeing it mentioned on GAF before.
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The entire series is on Youtube and it’s while it’s not hilarious all the time it really does have it’s moments of comedy, I particularly love the shanty song the guy(s) do after the 18:15 mark in that first episode I posted.

I find it very reminiscent of ‘Hitchhiker’s Guide’ but mixed with ‘Star Trek’, and ‘Waiting for Godot’ (Godot being the orders from command that never come).

I always loved that after saving the Universe by fractions of a second or something like that, his journal at the end of the episodes always started with: ”Uneventful day”, like it was the most boring shit he ever did, and ending the journal with him expecting orders any minute.
 
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Agent_Nobody

Agent_Nobody

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Another wholesome family cartoon series from back in the day in Canada:




This actually pre-dates Trailer Park Boys BTW.
 
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ThatStupidLion

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I know were talking about old old cartoons, but shit even 80s/90s stuff is SO different than whats on tv now that its just as mindblowingly awesome that it was even on tv intended for kids at that!

Cartoons at the dawn of the industry werent even intended for children. Adults were to go see them in 5 cent theaters called nickleodeons. even snow white was originally made for adults
 
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Trilobit

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Saw Ringing Bell(1978) or originally Chirin no Suzu some years ago in English and really liked it. It's about a lamb that tries to become a wolf.

 
Agent_Nobody

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levyjl1988 said:


















Fuck I'm old.
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Haha the Cybersix one at the end would probably get some second looks nowadays on the whole trans thing. It was a decent series…not spectacular or anything.

Never watched the Sherlock Holmes one, I might try it. Idea reminds me of the James Bond jr cartoon:
 
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