Paul/Gravel 2008?

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But he was the LIFE of the party! As NBC/NJ’s Carrie Dann writes, One-time Democratic candidate Mike Gravel is leaving the Democratic Party, accusing it of "work[ing] in tandem with the corporate interests that control what we read and hear in the media." Greener pastures await, he says, with his joining today of the Libertarian Party, where he hopes to continue his presidential bid.
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While Gravel supports a lot of right things, he supports them for the wrong reasons. He's more of a Kucinich type and the rhetoric he was using does not fit the LP at all. DO NOT WANT.

Also, Paul's not going for the LP nom, and there's no way Gravel's getting it. So this thread = wtf.
 
JayDubya said:
While Gravel supports a lot of right things, he supports them for the wrong reasons. He's more of a Kucinich type and the rhetoric he was using does not fit the LP at all. DO NOT WANT.
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"Wrong reasons." :lol So, only those who believe lock-step with the Libertarian Party can join? Don't you break from them on abortion? I'm sure Gravel has a higher profile than their current candidate (do they even have one yet?).

You shouldn't even bother with party affiliation, Jay. "Self-declared island" indeed.
 
adamsappel said:
"Wrong reasons." :lol So, only those who believe lock-step with the Libertarian Party can join? Don't you break from them on abortion? I'm sure Gravel has a higher profile than their current candidate (do they even have one yet?).
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http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Gravel.htm

In other words "Dude has some positions I'm sympathetic to, but his overall ideology is very leftist."

Example: He supports getting rid of the income tax. I support getting rid of the income tax.

I think the income tax is bad because it's "progressive" and it should be flat; and frankly, we shouldn't be taxing income.

He thinks the income tax is bad because it's not "progressive" enough for him.

I'm not sure whatever your post is whining about, but I hope that cleared up why you were barking up the wrong tree.

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Also. He supports the decriminalization of marijuana = good. He supports banning of smoking in "public places" = bad. Contradictory and illogical, even. Good positions, sometimes... wrong reasons.

He supports UHC. Um, no.

Dude's a "soak the rich" populist right up the average GAFfot's alley. No one's going to buy him as a Libertarian.
 
theBishop said:
:lol :lol I've heard him referred to as "Senator Gravel" so many times, i just assumed he was a senator...
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Once you have a position like that it stays with you and people call you "Title Surname" for perpetuity.
 
He supports the decriminalization of marijuana = good. He supports banning of smoking in "public places" = bad. Contradictory and illogical, even.
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Wait what? How are these contradictory or illogical? They are two separate issues. One is:

I shouldn't have to inhale a lung full of smoke if I don't want to.

The other is:

I should be able to inhale a lung full of smoke if I want to.
 
I just read an article about how the Republicans are scared of Ron Paul because he is what the traditional Republicans have been, and Bush has given a new meaning to the Republican party.
 
ToyMachine228 said:
I just read an article about how the Republicans are scared of Ron Paul because he is what the traditional Republicans have been, and Bush has given a new meaning to the Republican party.
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How didn't you know this a year ago when everyone else did?
 
Gravel said:
The fact is, the Democratic Party today is no longer the party of FDR. It is a party that continues to sustain war, the military-industrial complex and imperialism — all of which I find anathema to my views.

By and large, I have been repeatedly marginalized in both national debates and in media exposure by the Democratic leadership, which works in tandem with the corporate interests that control what we read and hear in the media.

I look forward to advancing my presidential candidacy within the Libertarian Party, which is considerably closer to my values, my foreign policy views and my domestic views.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL

The Party of FDR... FDR, who favored war, the military-industrial complex, and imperialism. Both parties are the party of FDR nowadays. Which is the problem.
 
JayDubya said:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Gravel.htm

In other words "Dude has some positions I'm sympathetic to, but his overall ideology is very leftist."

Example: He supports getting rid of the income tax. I support getting rid of the income tax.

I think the income tax is bad because it's "progressive" and it should be flat; and frankly, we shouldn't be taxing income.

He thinks the income tax is bad because it's not "progressive" enough for him.

I'm not sure whatever your post is whining about, but I hope that cleared up why you were barking up the wrong tree.

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Also. He supports the decriminalization of marijuana = good. He supports banning of smoking in "public places" = bad. Contradictory and illogical, even. Good positions, sometimes... wrong reasons.

He supports UHC. Um, no.

Dude's a "soak the rich" populist right up the average American's alley. No one's going to buy him as a Libertarian.
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Gig said:
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You think the average American voter's political ideology matches the political ideology of the average member of GAF? :lol

Armitage said:
Wait what? How are these contradictory or illogical? They are two separate issues. One is: "I shouldn't have to inhale a lung full of smoke if I don't want to."

The other is: "I should be able to inhale a lung full of smoke if I want to."
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They're the same issue stance if you come at it with principles:
Marijuana should be legal / owners should be able to make their businesses smoking or non-smoking = It's none of my business what someone does with their property.

Marijuana because your body is your property and it's none of our business what you consume. Smoking because you're not in "public" when you go into a restaurant and you give consent to the presence of smoking by walking into a smoking establishment.
 
JayDubya said:
You think the average American voter's political ideology matches the political ideology of the average member of GAF? :lol
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I'm sorry to say, but far more than it does yours.
 
Yeah I don't know Gravel's rationale, he doesn't seem like the Libertarian type at all, other than his National Initiative maybe. I still like his policy a lot (He's angry and looks crazy, but he knows his stuff), as some can tell by my avatar.
 
Jay, if income shouldn't be taxed, even at an absurdly low rate, how would the army, etc. that even Libertarians support be funded?

Most people who support the legalization of marijuana do so because they are dirty hippies, I mean, believe marijuana isn't that harmful, or that it's hypocritical to ban it but allow/encourage tobacco and alcohol. Your "property uber alles" stance isn't really the prevailing sentiment.
 
adamsappel said:
Jay, if income shouldn't be taxed, even at an absurdly low rate, how would the army, etc. that even Libertarians support be funded?
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There are other methods of taxation, and most of them are an improvement if used to replace the current income tax (and in the case of Friedman's NIT, the income tax AND the welfare state). A NRST (FairTax) is an example Gravel favors as a replacement to the IRS, and I suppose I would have to concur.
 
Hell yeah. I support this calculated political maneuver to increase Paul's chances of never getting elected.
 
adamsappel said:
Jay, if income shouldn't be taxed, even at an absurdly low rate, how would the army, etc. that even Libertarians support be funded?

Most people who support the legalization of marijuana do so because they are dirty hippies, I mean, believe marijuana isn't that harmful, or that it's hypocritical to ban it but allow/encourage tobacco and alcohol. Your "property uber alles" stance isn't really the prevailing sentiment.
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Gravel prefers a sales tax. I would have to agree with him, although I unlike many Americans save a lot of my money. The average propensity to save is actually negative I hear.
 
grandjedi6 said:
Libertian party? But Gravel already endorsed the Green Party candidate! :lol
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Yeeeeeah. I think ol' Gravel's just too senile to not know the difference in phonics and spelling between Green and Libertarian.
 
JayDubya said:
Yeeeeeah. I think ol' Gravel's just too senile to not know the difference in phonics and spelling between Green and Libertarian.
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He supports the guy but he changed his affiliation, two different things.
 
He is running for the Democratic nomination, he endorsed the Green Party candidate, and he is changing to the libertarian party..... is he also fucking a Republican on the side?

Seriously, you can't have your cake and eat it too Gravel!
 
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