People Can Fly Phases out VR Development. Cites Reduction in Investment from VR Platform Holders
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Zacfoldor
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Good. As an owner of PSVR2 and OG Oculus Rift, even when a VR game is 100% perfect, I get seasick and can only play for 10 minutes at a time. If I ever go too far my brain tells my body VR is bad and I never want to play again.
This was me convincing myself both times to buy VR:
This is me right after setup:
This was me convincing myself both times to buy VR:
This is me right after setup:
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Magic Carpet
Gold Member
They put out one really crappy VR port and then called it quits.
Bulletstorm VR sucked a sour lemon.
Bulletstorm VR sucked a sour lemon.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
OK Grandpa, Please check out the small screen Nintendo Switch and stick to the 2d side scrolling games.Good. As an owner of PSVR2 and OG Oculus Rift, even when a VR game is 100% perfect, I get seasick and can only play for 10 minutes at a time. If I ever go too far my brain tells my body VR is bad and I never want to play again.
This was me convincing myself both times to buy VR:
This is me right after setup:
They also did Green Hell VR, which was great.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
I'm ashamed to say, I've never even heard the title.
You should check it out, it's pretty damned decent.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
HRK69
Gold Member
"Good"?Good. As an owner of PSVR2 and OG Oculus Rift, even when a VR game is 100% perfect, I get seasick and can only play for 10 minutes at a time. If I ever go too far my brain tells my body VR is bad and I never want to play again.
This was me convincing myself both times to buy VR:
This is me right after setup:
So you're saying that just because VR makes you feel seasick, it's a good thing to phase it out?
That's like arguing for the end of peanut butter just because you're allergic to peanuts.
Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's a problem for everyone
LordOcidax
Member
Good… I just hope that every dev drop the support on vr and concentrate on what's important.
reinking
Gold Member
Good. As an owner of PSVR2 and OG Oculus Rift, even when a VR game is 100% perfect, I get seasick and can only play for 10 minutes at a time. If I ever go too far my brain tells my body VR is bad and I never want to play again.
This was me convincing myself both times to buy VR:
This is me right after setup:
I get motion sickness when I have not played VR in a while. Ginger helps a lot. Also, if I think it is going to be bad, I take Dramamine before playing. Once I get my VR legs back, I am good and do not have to do anything. AR seems to help me ease back into full VR too.
I do believe VR is niche and will remain niche. As someone who dabbles in it with Quest 3 and PSVR, PSVR2, I am fine with that. The market could die tomorrow and I would feel like I got my moneys worth. Kid me could have never imagined having access to VR at home.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
VR gaming peaked with Alyx.
Romulus
Member
Batman after the patch was better.
But UEVR is prime time for VR fans. Playing Avowed right now and it absolutely annihilates playing on a monitor.
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Romulus
Member
Oh, never mind then. I honestly thought this was a competent studio. You can't survive in VR or anything else if you can't make good games. That Bulletstorm port was trash. They spent a bunch of money trying to patch it after the apologies to the community. It was too late.
Yeah, don't blame the VR market when you suck at your job. There are plenty of other studios making follow-ups because they succeeded the first time.
CitizenKratos
Member
Green Hell was not a good game at launch.
ResilientBanana
Member
How many more times can they release Bulletstorm though?
Wonko_C
Member
Typical of 3rd party studios that aren't VR-focused: They release a half-assed, janky game without really understanding what works and what doesn't in VR, it is received poorly, and then they call it quits on further VR development.
So far only Capcom has been sucessful with the Resident Evil games on PSVR1/VR2 and they wouldn't have even done those if not for Sony's involvement.
So far only Capcom has been sucessful with the Resident Evil games on PSVR1/VR2 and they wouldn't have even done those if not for Sony's involvement.
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fart town usa
Banned
It was genuinely awful, but they completely turned it around on PSVR2.
That game is dope now.
fart town usa
Banned
Bulletstorm on PSVR2 was salvaged. It's a genuinely great VR game now.
Just FYI if you haven't played since launch or never bought it because of how bad it was for months.
Romulus
Member
You can dig up vr threads from 2015 saying the same thing with a host of reasons why. You, and everyone else were wrong.
mrqs
Member
I was wrong back then because I was hyping it out.
The market only exists as a super-niched product that would be even smaller if Meta wasn't sending truckloads of money to. This is a non-industry, it's unsustainable as there's no market to actually grow, where only a few viral exceptions rise.
Astray
Member
People are missing the lead here.
Who's the VR platform holder that's reducing investment now and wasn't doing so before? Playstation has been downscaling its VR publishing efforts for a while now, Valve to my knowledge never offered upfront money for publishers or devs to post VR titles on Steam.
This only leaves Meta, and we already had ominous signs from them earlier this year.
Who's the VR platform holder that's reducing investment now and wasn't doing so before? Playstation has been downscaling its VR publishing efforts for a while now, Valve to my knowledge never offered upfront money for publishers or devs to post VR titles on Steam.
This only leaves Meta, and we already had ominous signs from them earlier this year.
panda-zebra
Member
VR would be in a far better state today if it had been allowed to grow organically instead of Meta hoovering up half the talent out there and employing MS-tier studio mismanagement. A lot of the innovation, energy and excitement vanished into a big black hole of corporate bollocks and fucked the bed entirely.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Considering they fixed Bulletstorm on PSVR according to the above posts - it is probably Sony who were giving help/money and who aren't any longer.
Wonko_C
Member
That's great to hear. Will check it out on Steam.
Romulus
Member
You were wrong both times. Now and then.
VR doesn't need to be mainstream hyped to survive, and your definition of super-niche now is irrelevant. Was it super niche a few years ago when it was outselling Xbox series consoles? I'll trust meta's investment/market understanding over your predictions that have been wrong for years.
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Astray
Member
It's been Meta throwing around money on VR, far more than Sony did.
Did PSVR2 underperform? Certainly, but Sony's spend on VR is far, far eclipsed by Meta's.
fart town usa
Banned
It's tough being an enjoyer of VR. So many black pillers.
It's a fun way to play games!
CitizenKratos
Member
VR is niche and healthy. Not dead and never will be.
Romulus
Member
And if Meta etc suddenly decided to pack their bags on VR, I have so many AAA games I can play forever with UEVR. That alone has made the dream come true. Playing Borderlands 3 online in VR with full motion controls? Awesome. Outer Worlds, Avowed, Ace Combat 6 and so many bangers and they're always updating profiles for new games and making old ones better.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
But we are talking about who was giving money to People can Fly for VR. Considering that they went above and beyond to get Bulletstorm working on PSVR, especially after the minimal effort they expended to get it out the door suggests that maybe they were relying on Sony.
Astray
Member
No the statement talks about future VR publishing, not past ones.
They have one project in the works, but they're saying that's it, we're done with VR after that one. This is probably due to a future reduction in potential financing (as in, the money men in VR are signalling they're reducing their spend), not in relation to how past projects did.
fastest finger
Member
Green Hell VR and Bulletstorm VR were both dogshit when they launched.
By the time they fixed them, VR players had already moved on to new games.
Nobody to blame except themselves.
By the time they fixed them, VR players had already moved on to new games.
Nobody to blame except themselves.
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
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People may be able to fly, but their VR development has fallen.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
But but but VR is the future!!!
Okay I'll admit I did back the original Rift dev kit… and dev kit 2… and bought the first rift, and a Vive, and PSVR, and an Index, and a Quest 1, 2, and 3….
And I never play any of it. What am I doing.
And I never play any of it. What am I doing.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
I don't know... I used to be interested in AR, but after trying various things it feels like the real gimmick of the two, whereas pure VR is more complete and ready for immersive gaming. AR is all just weird things invading your room or on your tabletop etc, and it wears off very fast. I'm still getting a wow factor out of seeing large worlds in VR, on the other hand.
Plus, even with all the better AR capabilities and hype on Quest 3 (with Meta pushing for AR clearly at release), devs are barely doing anything with it.
I actually predict AR will stay in the ultra-niche category more than VR ever was, we'll see.
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RavageX
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I have to agree. Personally the idea of gaming and VR is to get AWAY from real life. Why the hell would I want to be seeing my real life stuff in games? That's dumb. "Oh look, I am controlling Mario and he is jumping on my coffee table!" GTFO with that.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
PSVR2 is probably the biggest waste of money I have had on a gaming purchase ever. GT7 is cool in VR but once the novelty wore off, the kids and I haven't used it in weeks. I bought a kick ass charging stand for it and it has sat there since the day I set it up. Maybe I'll bust it out for some VR porn or something.
mrqs
Member
When I say AR, I'm talking about small overlays on your vision with content. Nothing too intrusive, not at first.
Wonko_C
Member
I'll gladly take it off your hands.
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Bumblebeetuna
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I'll gladly take it off your hands.
Sure, mail me $300.