People who don't tell the truth
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Ninja Scooter
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We've had enough Trump threads I think mods are starting to shut them down.
Killer Queen
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Aaron Strife
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I knew I couldn't be the first one to make a Trump joke, but I was still hopeful.
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THE TRUTH
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CAN BE
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NoblesseOblige
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I work helpdesk in IT. Every call is lies lies lies. People really don't like telling you when they screw up, so instead they craft impossible excuses.
choco-fish
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More details required OP, whats the scenario here? Gaf can help if you share.
Vigilant Walrus
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There was this interesting Big Think video with a psychologist who talked about how to spot a liar (assuming you really want to) ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq-poN6sLF8
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everybody lies
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Killer Queen
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My friend told me she got pregnant from this one guy then seemingly brought it up once more then never again. It's been a week or two since then, she's a teenager and the dude she's allegedly pregnant with wants nothing to do with her and its like "uh...did you forget something?" And considering she's outlined her trips to the gynecologist to me I feel like she wouldve told me that she got an abortion. So with all of that said, I can deduce that she's full of shit. I can at least understand the dumb logic by telling the guy that she was pregnant so hopefully he'd stay with her, but I've got 0 relation to anyone she knows so why tell ME about it.
Was gearing up for this.
I assume you've had some specific lies dealt towards you recently OP, so I can't speak to that, but personally, lying that doesn't even seem to serve a purpose appears to me as a defence mechanism to conceal one's own weaknesses. It's an attempt to make yourself right and correct even when you know you're wrong.
For me, personally, I have actually noticed that, as my self-esteem has gone down over the past few years, I can actually feel myself becoming less comfortable admitting I'm wrong to those around me. My reflex in times past was to just immediately admit truth of wrongdoing, because I had the confidence to own it; sure I'm wrong, but that's just a blemish on my other qualities.
Whereas these days I catch myself building up an excuse or lie in my head to justify my actions. It's almost like I don't want others to know that I'm wrong, out of fear they'll find out how often incorrect I am. It's a pretty crazy phenomenon I'm noticing within myself and I really hate it.
And we're talking really trivial stuff here. That's what irks me. Stuff that would have no consequence if the truth came out. That's when I can tell it's a defence mechanism.
EDIT: So, I'm by no means a compulsive liar, but my hypothesis is that those who are are brutally insecure about their own shortcomings, and attempt to board themselves up with lies to appear stronger than they actually feel they are inside. Ironically, as it becomes more obvious how often they're lying, they appear even weaker.
Some folks can gain a lot, unfortunately. But yeah there are definitely times when I wonder what the point is.
It's usually in the form of vague-ass excuses.
Can't show up today, something came up.
Wish I could do this thing with you but after going downtown for a fancy meal and tons of other expensive shit all the time I suddenly can't afford to do anything else.
Was I being mean? I wasn't aware.
Sorry man was too busy eating my dog's shit.
I know yall are lying to me, you get that?
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My older brother is like this. It's like he thinks the world is stupid. Everyone knows he's lying, the few caveats we give him are more about hoping he's improving more than actually thinking he's telling the truth.
The most recent big one was about joining the military (at 32 with two kids) after he lost his most recent job (actually several months after losing it, just it took a while before everyone knew, when he got his dumbass evicted for not paying rent and suddenly people needed a place to live). It got him a month or two reprieve from bullshit, people proud of him for getting on track, etc but that's about it, and he's now been ostracized for the excuses he made about why he's not actually enlisted given my father and another brother are vets, and so are a variety of extended family. It's like he has no clue that's the type of lie you can't really walk back.
They seem to relish the attention in the immediate, and have no concern how it will bite them in the ass eventually, thinking they'll have another story to tell to cover and distract.
The most recent big one was about joining the military (at 32 with two kids) after he lost his most recent job (actually several months after losing it, just it took a while before everyone knew, when he got his dumbass evicted for not paying rent and suddenly people needed a place to live). It got him a month or two reprieve from bullshit, people proud of him for getting on track, etc but that's about it, and he's now been ostracized for the excuses he made about why he's not actually enlisted given my father and another brother are vets, and so are a variety of extended family. It's like he has no clue that's the type of lie you can't really walk back.
They seem to relish the attention in the immediate, and have no concern how it will bite them in the ass eventually, thinking they'll have another story to tell to cover and distract.
LyleLanley
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Sounds like your friends just don't want to hang out with you.
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Especially when it's obvious. How clueless do they think we are? Yeah, I've been successfully fooled before, but all that did was cause tears on both ends. Nothing positive came from it.
I made the last one up, but that's how I always feel I'm being spoken to.
This, exactly like this, all the time. ???
liliththepale
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Well what's the downside? Do you ever call them out on it? If not, they probably don't know that you know better, so they think they're sparing your feelings.
blame space
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sometimes you just have to lie about everything for some reason.
Killer Queen
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Kinda like how the only true thing in your tag is about your TV.
It's a couple people who do it habitually to a whole group.
I'm the only one who ever does, we've all known each other for nearly a decade, and any time I do call them out, they just get defensive as if they weren't lying in the first place.
liliththepale
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ugh. Gross. Yeah, I don't waste time on people like that. It's not worth it. Who knows what's going through their heads?
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electrotonus
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Well, there are two different sets of lies. Those that do no harm and are only meant to save face or defend others from being hurt (e.g. 'Of course you don't look fat' even when it clearly isn't the case) and then there are those lies that do harm others or are meant to obtain something by fraud.
I don't really mind the former and believe that sometimes it might be morally acceptable or even obligatory to choose not to tell the truth. The harmful lies of course are despicable.
I don't really mind the former and believe that sometimes it might be morally acceptable or even obligatory to choose not to tell the truth. The harmful lies of course are despicable.
I try not to, but they've sort of settled into those patterns over the course of several years and they're ingrained in my life in a way that makes it difficult to detach. I'll never understand what they're thinking when they do it.
torre_avenue
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FALSE GOD.
Bornstellar
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Whoops, misread.
I get lying with purpose... but there are people who love to lie about the most trivial shit. There was this one guy in a group of friends I had; he would constantly make shit up. We eventually caught up and started calling him out whenever he did it, and he always doubled down. Like, it was a daily fucking occurrence. It gets maddening at a point 'cause you just want to know why the fuck do they keep lying about things that don't matter.
Whenever I lie, there is a purpose behind it. And I make sure I don't get embroiled in an unsustainable lie. I think my lies through.
Whenever I lie, there is a purpose behind it. And I make sure I don't get embroiled in an unsustainable lie. I think my lies through.
Sectorseven
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This could be a Lyin' Ted thread.
30yearsofhurt
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Tag fishing.
Hambulance
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Always-honest
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They're only making their own lives complicated as fuck in the end.
Just show them how easy it is to be honest.
finalflame
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Someone lie to you OP?
blame space
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what do you really have to gain by telling the truth? self-righteousness? relationships with people? i guess i just don't understand.
In a lot of cases its a self esteem thing. Lying to make yourself seem more important or impressive or to diminish your flaws/mistakes in some way. Its sort of a self esteem crutch so to speak. They use it to prop themselves up as someone more important or interesting than they actually are. It's kinda sad really. I went through a stage of it myself in High School.
Politicians? Hate the game not the players brah
Edit: but to be more on topic it seems like the lies you are annoyed by is because people don't care/dare to tell the truth.
I myself am very bad at lying and it makes me feel bad so I either avoid the subject or tell the truth.
Always-honest
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Yes, those things are pretty important to me, haha. relationships and peace of mind.
I'm out of the loop. What about No Mans Sky?
Same, I got with my Ex just to get over a girl who is my closest friend/(who I haven't gotten over because we both like each other but won't be together, won't be over her until we leave for college probably) but I felt terrible that that was my reason for getting with her. I broke up with her and didn't even tell her the truth of why I got with her. Felt terrible, had to tell her and we eventually had a rational conversation
Yet another NeoGaf Trump thread....
PreyingShark
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I have no idea.
Ask my oldest brother. Somehow "nnnngh" while I'm lying in bed becomes "Waaaah, I don't like iiiiiiit", assaulting me in front of my friend the moment I get in the car because I "wasn't waiting outside" (I was) becomes justified, ripping *my* gamepad out of my hands to play *my* game instead of waiting 30 seconds for me to buy something from Splatoon's shop means that *I* am somehow the unreasonable one, assaulting me in the crotch is A-OK, locking me out of the h-
...Typing this is making me realize that I should probably move out ASAP and never talk to these people ever again.
Ask my oldest brother. Somehow "nnnngh" while I'm lying in bed becomes "Waaaah, I don't like iiiiiiit", assaulting me in front of my friend the moment I get in the car because I "wasn't waiting outside" (I was) becomes justified, ripping *my* gamepad out of my hands to play *my* game instead of waiting 30 seconds for me to buy something from Splatoon's shop means that *I* am somehow the unreasonable one, assaulting me in the crotch is A-OK, locking me out of the h-
...Typing this is making me realize that I should probably move out ASAP and never talk to these people ever again.
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