To be honest, even though I have complaints with the narrative and characterization, I still dig it.
Like, I can recognize that it's got problems, but I still find myself enjoying it. I'm a sucker for that "Friendship, Effort, Victory!" crap.
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To be honest, even though I have complaints with the narrative and characterization, I still dig it.
Like, I can recognize that it's got problems, but I still find myself enjoying it. I'm a sucker for that "Friendship, Effort, Victory!" crap.
Well, it is a fighting game after all.
My man, you should watch some Gundam Build Fighters.
There isn't a correlation.
I want to see the bar graphs and pie charts.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Need I remind you that Labrys' story mode
consists entirely of story and character building with only a token fight with Elizabeth at the end?
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Mind if I add my two cents about the how Marie should have been handled?
Andrefpvs
Member
I've been meaning to check it out, but I never got around to watching it. I'll definitely add it to my "will watch" backlog though.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
I don't think you even need to ask for permission
lol things move pretty fast.
Andrefpvs
Member
Ganzlinger
Member
To be honest, I think they did the best they could if you consider that they had to develop a story that was set to occur on a single day. That little time they had with her wouldn't be enough to build such strong bonds.
A Dead Diehard
Member
And let me just say I'm glad Ultimax is regulating itself to
largely
I can agree if it all boils down to relying too heavily on an exaggerated shticks for each character (and in this case, a group dynamic). I'll disagree to what extent this situation in the game went to (you're explanation of it sounds like a huge exaggeration, but at that points it really does just boil down to opinions), but that general issue is prevalent throughout the game. Too much falling back on that trait of their's that forms an initial impression rather than developing character arches and whatnot.
Oh absolutely.
YES PLEASE.
I dunno if I can agree with that. I mean, I suspect you mean they did as best they could in that framework and all and I can let that be, but the way each and every route in the game conflicts with each other is a serious problem. If they'd cared so much about story, they could've made it work some other, more coherent way.
buddha0991
Member
I have faith in Arena Ultimax's story, I dont know if that makes me a fool or not.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
I want to read them, go ahead
Noice. Okay...*ahem* What I would've done is drop the
amnesia trope
the Goddess thing.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at for the most part. I guess I can't be too hard on them. I mean, P4A clearly had a different set of scenario writers, so the characterization was bound to be off. And for what it's worth, Naoto, Teddie and Yosuke's interaction with Labrys were pretty good.
I went back and checked Yukiko's story mode. She actually did say most of those things I quoted. Hehehehehe.
Ganzlinger
Member
I agree with you. It is annoying. But at least it was kinda cool to see the inner thoughts of the characters.
Well with Sho's whole thing being "Who needs friends, that bond stuff is crap", I'm expecting P4AU to follow down the whole anime friendship thing even more. Looking at the translated character trailers so far further cements that. I don't really mind all that much considering BONDS have been in the Persona series from the start (not to the degree in P4A, but still there). Plus cheese can be good for you in the right quantities.
Spectrasonic
Member
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I don't think that will necessarily be the main focus of the story, when Kazuhisa Wada has specifically pinpointed that the overarching theme for Ultimax's story will be to "stand tall and with pride."
If anything, Sho's childish attitude, constant hammering on the strength of solitude and his attempts to proclaim that he's the culprit could be aspects leading to an interesting plot subversion.
A Dead Diehard
Member
To play devil's advocate,
the Goddess thing
Izanami
she
LelouchViBritannia
Member
Obito confirmed.
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
Wow all right, I understand your point. But still, I think you're exaggerating quite a bit. They have already dealt with their Shadow, they know what she has suffered, they have no reason to not trust her. And I see what you mean about how long it took for Yosuke and Yukiko/Kanji and Rise to have a close friendship, but in the end only one route is canon and that means only one or two of the IT members got close to her, the others only offer their friendship. Who knows? Maybe if Labrys accepted to join them she would have gotten that month the others got and formed a more deep friendship.
Why? They did accepted and trusted some of the other IT members in a serial murder case the moment they recovered from the hospital. Plus they already saw her Shadow so it's not like she's hiding something. And they sure need all the help they can if that's the case.
DryEyeRelief
Member
oh wow a character that even makes Marie look good.
hipsterpants
Member
Yeah I meant to say canon in that which parts of which routes are the "real way" things happened. I know that P4A is canon, even if I don't necessarily like it lol.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Hey, Hey, Hey!
I think it depends what you're expecting. I think if you enjoyed Arena's story, you'll enjoy Ultimax's. If you thought Arena's story was bad, and you think that Ultimax will correct all of its flaws, then I think you are a probably a fool.
The Persona Team say a lot of things like this. I wouldn't take it too literally.
Ah, yeah. Thankfully, that'll probably be rectified with P4AU's Episode P4A, and most likely with its main story as well. It had to be done, but it's great they threw away P4A's awful narrative structure in the sequel.
I also wouldn't look at everything they say as a lie. The theme he discussed is even reflected in the lyrics of P4AU's main theme song.
Ganzlinger
Member
What If I told you that I never suspected they had all this intimacy. lol
Yu x Yosuke canon
I'm not sure about that, seeing as we've only heard like the first line of the theme, but either way, it definitely hasn't been reflected in the in-game content we've seen. The stuff with Sho seems to really beat the 'BEST FRIENDS' horse until it's bloody.
- When lyrics include "stand and take a step up, no more cruising along", I think it's safe to think that that's a phrase that should be relevant to the work it represents, along with the fact that the song's titled: "Break Out Of The [Dome]."
- Shadows are at the forefront of Ultimax, with the characters they oppose needing to reaffirm who they are and be proud of themselves in order to prevent the goals of the antagonists from becoming reality. A big part of the game is about being proud of oneself, and that's already been shown plenty just in the arcade version's story.
- Sho's thing (and the Shadows) are about attacking one's weaknesses, making them feel vulnerable and questioning who they are and the decisions they've made. That is another facet of the theme Wada discussed.
I already said Sho is all about reiterating that "solitude is strength, companionship is weakness." We don't know what, or if that will lead into anything, but I'm saying that that might not be the primary goal of the story they want to tell, and I'm not making any assumptions as to what they will be. Instead, I will listen to the words someone who actually worked on the game has to say about what he thinks the story will be conveying.
Willsmith1991
Neo Member
Can i ask if you can get P3:fes on the PSN for the PS4?
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
I'm really glad about that. It makes me smile how the "partner" thing is now in another level of friendship.
Cool bits of info:
-They were thinking about the EO collaboration since two (three now?) years ago.
-Soejima didn't want PQ to be just a "fan-service game", hence why he put a lot of effort in drawing the characters and the choice of purple as the main color over blue and yellow.
-The boxart was difficult to do, but he's glad he could put all the 20+ characters in there, and is anxious about how people who have played the previous games will feel about the characters.
-Chie was the first character to be redesigned, since she'd be the hardest to get right because of her jacket being the only memorable thing while trying to have her original appeal.
-Junpei was one of the most toughest characters to pull off. Like Shinji and Kanji, they are easy to design because as a character they are distinct, but when you squish Junpei down he gets tougher to draw, a problem Soejima faced with Yosuke and two protagonists. But Junpei stands out because he had a hard time with his face, and he turned out to be quite the character.
-About Akihiko: Since the Persona games are in the same timeline since the first game, that means they all have to age. For P4A, Akihiko underwent some pretty distinct changes, but for PQ he tried to make sure to retain his original P3 era essence. This turned out to be tricky because of his head and body proportions, even the first one turned out to be like six heads tall.
-Zen and Rei: Since the point was to make the new characters fit the Persona cast, he initially drew them as he normally would, and then proceeded to deform then. Zen's appeareance is meant to show his agressive and protective side, like his spiked choker. The Bow Gun is meant to show that he's not to be messed up with, but the truth is that from the game design side they wanted to have a weapon that could attack from afar. The most obvious thing that stand out from Rei are her flowers in her hair, and Soejima notes that things like that and Zen's cape aren't there without a reason, and as the player progresses through the story they would see why. He made sure that, since they're a pair, they would contrast each other to anyone looking at them. He usually had them wear mufflers, but that could hampered character movement so he settled with the final designs.
I'm ridicuously hyped for Ultimax despite how bad I am at fighting games because I'm almost positive the Malevolent Entity is actually
Nyarlathotep.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Reanimatoin
Member
Nope, PS4 can only play PS4 games, literally 0 backwards compatibility. Works on the PS3 though.
Ganzlinger
Member
Maybe it will be available at Playstation Now.
I think it's a lot to draw from just one line.
Can you elaborate on this? Do you mean within P4 as a whole or just within Ultimax? Because I'd say it's definitely not true of P4 as a whole, but I'd be genuinely interested to know how it's true of Ultimax specifically, as I haven't seen any of the arcade mode stuff.
Yu:
VS
Sho(M):
This is literally what I'm expecting.
Right down to Sho becoming a good guy and having children with the protagonist's close female friend. And naming their kids after underwear.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Well... the idea of a
boss that can only be damaged with almighty or element breaks is interesting.
Eden Riegel's performance was great, but I've already got Isabeu for that.
And finally, the fact that
Izanami is integrated into her at the end
P3. Instead of Nyx being a force of nature that has to be locked up, Izanami, as Marie, has now integrated with human society and is actually helpful.
Still, yeah. She gets pushed way too hard and hopefully P4GA is just letting off steam for her more modest presence in the future.
Willsmith1991
Neo Member
Ah that sucks. Hoping i could snag my next gen console and still play persona from the psn... dunno bout investing into a ps3 just for persona tho..
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
Digimon 02-like ending for P4AU confirmed?
LelouchViBritannia
Member
A Dead Diehard
Member
Dude,
there's a theory that does NOT jive with that!
EDIT:
Okay, that one's not so bad.
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
Fixed.