Pioneer Blu-ray/dvd±rw/dvd±r Drive In 2005

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Pioneer says it will be available from Q3 2005 and retail at no more than their next DVD burner (A09/109 - expected Q1 2005) when released.

Specs

BD-R: 4x
BD-R RE (Double Layer): 4x
DVD±R: 16x
DVD±RW: 4x
DVD+R DL: 4x
DVD-R DL: 2.4x
 
what the hell will 4x mean? Can someone explain what 4x is for DVD burners too, considering they never had a 1x fixed read speed like CDs originally did.

Still, I'm really enjoying having a DVD burner for backups, and bluray would be great for a one-disc ghosting.
 
Rhindle said:
OK, but that article specifically says pricing for the drive is undecided.

I'm expecting burners to go for at least $500-$700 initially.
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Absolutely - A09/109 won't be cheap, either. Still, it sounds reasonably affordable.
 
Arcticfox said:
I thought 1x Blu-ray was 36Mbps, so wouldn't 4x be 144Mbps?
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F*ck, you are right... :lol

I messed up thinking about the 1x spec, but is that the same speed for writing data as it is for reading ?

Let me check.

Edit: you are indeed correct.
 
DaCocoBrova said:
Fuck the burner... What's the price on the media?
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Yeah. The damn burners have been out for a while in Japan. I know they didn't use the complete spec, but the media should be the same (albiet overpriced in the short term and I think they have the caddy, right?)

What's the current price for these puppies?
 
Did I miss something...don't Blu-ray discs come in a plastic caddy? Ifso, how could a tray-based drive work for both Blu-ray discs and standard DVD discs? I guess they could have different slots on the tray itself but I'm having difficulty visualizing what that would look like.
 
Minotauro said:
Did I miss something...don't Blu-ray discs come in a plastic caddy? Ifso, how could a tray-based drive work for both Blu-ray discs and standard DVD discs? I guess they could have different slots on the tray itself but I'm having difficulty visualizing what that would look like.
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You missed something. A new surface coating was developed to eliminate the need for a caddy, which the CD itself required at one point in time.

That being said, swappable caddies aren't that unusual. Just imagine a caddy with a transparent lid that pops open.

Blu-Ray Writeable = BD-R
Blu-Ray Rewriteable = BD-RE
Blu-Ray Manufactured = BD-ROM

Apparently, all three specs are currently set at 25GB (one layer) / 50GB (two layer), which bodes extremely well for anybody interested in a PC Blu-Ray drive for general file backups.
 
Crazymoogle said:
You missed something. A new surface coating was developed to eliminate the need for a caddy, which the CD itself required at one point in time.

That being said, swappable caddies aren't that unusual. Just imagine a caddy with a transparent lid that pops open.

Blu-Ray Writeable = BD-R
Blu-Ray Rewriteable = BD-RE
Blu-Ray Manufactured = BD-ROM

Apparently, all three specs are currently set at 25GB (one layer) / 50GB (two layer), which bodes extremely well for anybody interested in a PC Blu-Ray drive for general file backups.
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There seems to be some descrepancy in the capacities. Current Blu-Ray drives only write out 23GB of data, whereas 25/50GB of data is widely reported as the spec, and Sony announced that their PS3 Blu-Ray drive is 27GB/54GB.

Is the 27/54GB the ROM capacity, with overhead related to writing knocking it down to 25/50GB for the reported spec, and the pre-ratifed Blu-Ray writable drives only doing 23GB?

Can anyone clear this up?
 
sonycowboy said:
There seems to be some descrepancy in the capacities. Current Blu-Ray drives only write out 23GB of data, whereas 25/50GB of data is widely reported as the spec, and Sony announced that their PS3 Blu-Ray drive is 27GB/54GB.

Is the 27/54GB the ROM capacity, with overhead related to writing knocking it down to 25/50GB for the reported spec, and the pre-ratifed Blu-Ray writable drives only doing 23GB?

Can anyone clear this up?
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Sony's first drives (2003) wrote 23 gig. But that was ahead of final spec apparently so there's no guarantee that BR media for those drives are compatible in future drives. Matsushita just released a BR drive this summer that conformed to the formal 25/50 gig spec.

I have no idea about 27/54 gig spec...and I wasn't aware it had been associated with the PS3. All I had seen Sony say was that they would include BR in the PS3 with no further specifics.
 
kaching said:
Sony's first drives (2003) wrote 23 gig. But that was ahead of final spec apparently so there's no guarantee that BR media for those drives are compatible in future drives. Matsushita just released a BR drive this summer that conformed to the formal 25/50 gig spec.

I have no idea about 27/54 gig spec...and I wasn't aware it had been associated with the PS3. All I had seen Sony say was that they would include BR in the PS3 with no further specifics.
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Yeah, the 23GB discs are all caddy-bound and appear to have been completely replaced by the newer 25/50GB models. I can't find anything on the specifics of why 27/54 isn't in production, but I'm guessing it's a matter of keeping to their version spec; either 27 is impossible or it will be enabled with V2 or V3 of the disc specification.

I have a sneaking suspicion it might already be a possibility for ROM discs though.
 
kaching said:
Sony's first drives (2003) wrote 23 gig. But that was ahead of final spec apparently so there's no guarantee that BR media for those drives are compatible in future drives. Matsushita just released a BR drive this summer that conformed to the formal 25/50 gig spec.

I have no idea about 27/54 gig spec...and I wasn't aware it had been associated with the PS3. All I had seen Sony say was that they would include BR in the PS3 with no further specifics.
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http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/040921d_e.pdf

SONY COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT INC ADOPTS
BLU-RAY DISC ROM FOR NEXT GENERATION PLAYSTATION®

Tokyo, September 21, 2004 – Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI), announced today that it had begun preparations to adopt Blu-ray Disc ROM (BD-ROM) format as a medium for the next generation PlayStation®, the successor system to PlayStation®2 computer entertainment system.

Blu-ray Disc (BD) is a next generation high-density optical disc format that enables recording and playback of digital high-definition (HD) video signals and programs. BD-ROM format has a huge memory size of 54 GB (dual layer, single side), which is 6 times larger than that of DVD-ROM, and has the potential of becoming an ideal medium to distribute next generation entertainment content from movies and music to computer applications. Standardization of this format is currently underway lead by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA).
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Pana said:
I messed up thinking about the 1x spec, but is that the same speed for writing data as it is for reading ?
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Actually, IIRC the BluRay pdf spec, that's 54Mb/s for BD-R, and 36Mb/s for BD-RE.
Anyway, the 4x spec this early bodes well for PS3 ;) 27MBytes/sec reading speed is something I could definately look forward to :P
 
thanks, SC, but that's not exactly confirming that the PS3 drive will support those capacities, just that the BR spec does. Might be nitpicking but I think the distinction needs to be made.
 
kaching said:
thanks, SC, but that's not exactly confirming that the PS3 drive will support those capacities, just that the BR spec does. Might be nitpicking but I think the distinction needs to be made.
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Well, if you want to nitpick, the BR spec has been updated to support 8 layers, for 200GB of storage :D
 
Again I ask...where is the pricing info on the Burner??

I bablefished the entire article and the A09 wasn't even mentioned...

Anyone?
 
Yes, it too is 36mbp/s for the 1X drive...

Nothing faster than a 1X HD-DVD drive has been announced yet, though...

WAIET TILL TEH CES NEXT WEAK :)
 
Dang no wonder the techno's have pasted on DL media. Their plan must have always been to just use blue-ray and get ton of movies on each one. Seems abit complicated to me but I guess someone already is working on program knowing those guys P
 
I had read that the new Blu-Ray spec requires a Java Virtual Machine to be implemented and that the spec would allow for internet access. This, along with a much more beefed up interactive implemention, should really make for some interesting content decisions.
 
Check this out!!!

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Structural model of multilayer conversion technology

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Prototype 4 layer disk

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Panny DMR-E700BD already on sale



Bablefished for j00

* The next generation multilayer disk technology which actualizes Matsushita and 100GB capacity With the booth of the Matsushita Electric Co., single sided 4 layer to repeat the record layer of 25GB, the multilayer disk thin film formation technology which actualizes the capacity of 100GB being referred and being displayed. The record membrane after the forming, it places the ULTRAVIOLET RADIATION resin seat, copying the signal. After exfoliating the stamper, again forming cover layer with the ULTRAVIOLET RADIATION resin. You say that by the fact that process above is repeated, it can actualize the multilayer disk. Furthermore, when the same technology is utilized, when in the disk one side HD image it reaches the point where approximately 9 hours it can videotape, is
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Prototype BD-ROM player

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Triple head optics on the right


* SONY, displaying the BD-ROM player and the CD/DVD/BD corresponding optical head etc. With the SONY booth displaying the BD-ROM player. Being the same as those which are displayed with CeBIT and information seminar, it does not load the optical head which corresponds to 3 wave length records/playback. With demonstration, it recorded to BD-ROM playing back the trailer "of spider man 2". It has become the exhibition contents which approach from the movie software aspect impression are attached partly due to the fact that participation of the fox and the purchase etc. of MGM become topic, in regard to the spread of the blue ray. Furthermore, the same company "the Hollywood each studio to do the discussion positively in regard to the sale time of the software of BD-ROM, during 2005 the software release. When we would like to keep developing in earnest in 2006, "that it had explained. In addition, sample shipment is started from the earlier December, it displays also the basic device for the blue ray. Optical head "KES-200A" for blue ray correspondence record playback and royal purple laser optical detection IC "CXA2700EM" and so on and also, it displayed also the optical head which corresponds to 3 formats
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