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The Legend of Heroes: Gagharv Trilogy: The White Witch, from Bandai and Falcom. It's a remake of the third Eiyuu Densetsu game (Legend of Heroes) from back in the day.

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It comes out later today but my girlfriend got a copy from Bandai the other day, so I've been messing around with it a bit. Has anyone here played the originals? Are they worth playing? The graphics and music seem pretty nice from the 20 or so minutes I spent with it, but I really know nothing about the gameplay, and I probably won't have time to put any serious play into it until I head home for the holidays.

Just curious about it, really.

EDIT: Thanks duckroll for the corrections!
 
I've played ED5 and 6, but that's it. The PSP game actually looks really nice (on par with ED6).

That makes sense, though, as Ys VI is also hitting PSP and ED6 uses the same engine (at least it felt that way).
 
Man, Tales is gonna look stacked on freaky on that screen.

Pretty much any anime dork game will look great, actually. Sega should do a Sakura Taisen remake or sumpin.

DFS.
 
Perhaps a little off topic, but is the PSP screen the same kind of tech they use for their T-series digital cameras? I have a T1, and the screen on that thing is awesome.
 
Sony needs to make a PSP player for the PS2/PS3.

I have to play some of these PSP RPGS like the new Tales game but I don't wanna buy a PSP (or a DS).
 
mrkgoo said:
Perhaps a little off topic, but is the PSP screen the same kind of tech they use for their T-series digital cameras? I have a T1, and the screen on that thing is awesome.
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Well, it's the same sort of technology (TFT LCD), but the T1 uses a transflective display and has a weaker contrast ratio (although surprisingly, it has a far better pixel density - nearly twice as many pixels in a screen 2 inches smaller).

How are you liking the T1, by the way? I've been eyeing that one for a while, and since it uses Pro Duo like the PSP does...
 
What colour is the PSP power light?! and where should it be on the unit itself?




^ Nevermind, downloaded the shooting video and found out myself
 
Crazymoogle said:
Well, it's the same sort of technology (TFT LCD), but the T1 uses a transflective display and has a weaker contrast ratio (although surprisingly, it has a far better pixel density - nearly twice as many pixels in a screen 2 inches smaller).

How are you liking the T1, by the way? I've been eyeing that one for a while, and since it uses Pro Duo like the PSP does...
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I love it - mind you it's my second digital camera (my first was a Casio Exilim - the very first one S1! -fyi, that was a 1.2 MegaPixel with no optical, but sexy as hell). Yeah, the T1 solved the issues I had with my exilim, namely an optical Zoom, cover for the lense, and I got an upgrade (higher resolution, larger screen - it really is great for showing off photos, and works in direct sunlight!). Other neat features are the hi-quality video it can capture (640x480 30fps with pro-duo). Careful, though, becasue you can't adjust features in teh middle of filming - ie. zoom, and/or lighting conditions (no flash either, obviously).

HOWEVER, it still has many issues that are inherent to these sized cameras. The biggest issue is the problem with handshake. Outdoors is lovely - the auto features allow for great pictures in daylight, but indoors, or in darker areas, the shutter is required to be open just that little bit longer, and unless you have hands like, well, something that can keep real still, you'll probably get an image that is ghosted or blurred (probably not as bad as I make out, but I'm real picky for hi-sharpness in my images). There's no mount for a tripod either, nor is there a viewfinder, so you're stuck with your ability to keep still. Having said that, there are a few manual features like adjusting the lighting conditions, or ISO rating that can help a little.

Another thing is the flash is pretty poor ranged - limited to only portraits or people in the shot - it's quite difficult to get clear background if trying an indoor shot witht eh flash (is slightly better witht eh delayed flash mode, though). Also, consitent red-eye, because the flash is so close to the lens (red-reduction doesn't even help that much).

I still love it, though, for it's sheer sexy size, and awesome, awesome screen. It has a great, easy-to-use interface aswell. Power up time is good also.

Keep in mind as well, that there's the T11 and recent T3 - as far as I know, they're identical (not sure if anything has been optimised or not), but different style. I don't think the T11 has a lens cover so avoid that one.
 
Doom_Bringer said:
This is an action RPG right? Any chances of this coming to NA?
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sort of. from what i played at TGS, the battles are kind of like star ocean 3, but not broken and everyone's jacked onto "auto" -- you just interrupt to issue commands for spells and specials, and the like. there may be an option to take people off auto, but i dunno.

btw, the backgrounds are full on 3D. it's a surprisingly sexy little game for so close to launch, and probably the closest any system has ever gotten to having a full-scale RPG available at launch.

it's published by bandai in japan and i'm sure they're eager to have a PSP launch SKU. if they aren't, somebody else will be. and i'm sure it'd pass concept approval. hell, it looks better than nippon ichi's PS2 games.
 
This is one of the handful of PSP games I'm interested in, and boy does it certainly not disappoint in beauty. Hopefully such joy rings true with all aspects.
 
WarPig said:
Man, Tales is gonna look stacked on freaky on that screen.

Pretty much any anime dork game will look great, actually. Sega should do a Sakura Taisen remake or sumpin.

DFS.
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Along with a LE Sakura PSP? :D
 
john tv said:
The Legend of Heroes: Gagharv Trilogy: The White Witch, from Bandai and Falcom. It's a remake of the first three Eiyuu Densetsu games (Legend of Heroes) from back in the day.
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Apparently not... The Gagharv Trilogy is Eiden 3 to 5, not 1 to 3. This game is only a remake of the first of the trilogy as well, Shiroki Majou, which makes it a remake of Eiden 3.

But otherwise, fucking awesome screen! ARGH DAMN YOU PSP!
 
I hope Falcom decides to port YS 1 and 2 Eternal as well. Shouldn't be that hard since I think they already did port the games to the PS2.
 
mrkgoo said:
Other neat features are the hi-quality video it can capture (640x480 30fps with pro-duo).
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Is that with standard pro duo, or the high speed variant? 640x480 at 30fps is pretty impressive.

HOWEVER, it still has many issues that are inherent to these sized cameras. The biggest issue is the problem with handshake.
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A big problem for me (medical reasons) but I tend to get blur even with pro lens 5MP Olympus setup, so as long as it's on par shutterwise with, say, a cheap Kodak Easyshare, I'll be happy.

Another thing is the flash is pretty poor ranged - limited to only portraits or people in the shot - it's quite difficult to get clear background if trying an indoor shot witht eh flash (is slightly better witht eh delayed flash mode, though). Also, consitent red-eye, because the flash is so close to the lens (red-reduction doesn't even help that much).
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Kinda expected that. I get severe red-eye effects with my camera, too. Sometimes the only thing left to do is photoshop -> paint -> overlay...

I still love it, though, for it's sheer sexy size, and awesome, awesome screen. It has a great, easy-to-use interface aswell. Power up time is good also.
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Is the USB connection through the camera itself, or the dock? And what about batteries? I can't seem to find out if its using rechargeables, a built in type, or one-use lithium (the olympus unit I mentioned ripped through one use lithiums before I could even max out a single 128MB compactflash).

Keep in mind as well, that there's the T11 and recent T3 - as far as I know, they're identical (not sure if anything has been optimised or not), but different style. I don't think the T11 has a lens cover so avoid that one.
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As far as I can tell, the T3 is almost identical to the T11 - no cover, same specs. I myself was wondering exactly why they dropped the cover (for example, the easyshare has a retractable lens with the tin rubber cover bit, maybe it works like that for the T3?)
 
Where does the Legend of Heroes: Dragon Slayer game that came out for the Turbo Duo fit into this series? It was a decent little game with auto-combat. I didn't even realize what this Garghav Trilogy was about until this thread.
 
Crazymoogle said:
Is that with standard pro duo, or the high speed variant? 640x480 at 30fps is pretty impressive.
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The Memory Stick Pro Duo is the high speed version. The Memory Stick Duo (not pro) is the slow version.
 
Coming from the Atari Classics DS thread, I just have to ask why don't more games look this clean and pretty? Now this is visually appealing and secures a lure in my book.
 
Arcticfox said:
The Memory Stick Pro Duo is the high speed version. The Memory Stick Duo (not pro) is the slow version.
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*Bzzt* Wrong Answer.

This is a 512MB Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo. 15mbps.

This is a 512MB Sony Hi-Speed Memory Stick Pro Duo. 80mbps.
 
Crazymoogle said:
*Bzzt* Wrong Answer.

This is a 512MB Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo. 15mbps.

This is a 512MB Sony Hi-Speed Memory Stick Pro Duo. 80mbps.
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I stand corrected. 80Mbps write speed is kind of overboard, though. You only need 9Mbps to write DVD quality video.
 
Arcticfox said:
I stand corrected. 80Mbps write speed is kind of overboard, though. You only need 9Mbps to write DVD quality video.
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That's a compressed stream, though. With a camera bandwidth becomes a lot more important because it's very likely that the data needs to be written in a raw or very low compression format in order to keep up.
 
Crazymoogle said:
Is that with standard pro duo, or the high speed variant? 640x480 at 30fps is pretty impressive.
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I was going to say what Arctic fox said - I thought pro was a high speed one. It's higher than satandard duo, anyway. I use a white (with orange text) 256 pro duo, and can get 30 fps video. Wasn't aware there was an extra hi-speed version - do you need special hardware to make use of the speed? at any rate, i think the standrad pro duo is ok.



A big problem for me (medical reasons) but I tend to get blur even with pro lens 5MP Olympus setup, so as long as it's on par shutterwise with, say, a cheap Kodak Easyshare, I'll be happy.
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I think the shutterspeed is pretty good on the T1 (one of it's hyped features, I think).



Is the USB connection through the camera itself, or the dock? And what about batteries? I can't seem to find out if its using rechargeables, a built in type, or one-use lithium (the olympus unit I mentioned ripped through one use lithiums before I could even max out a single 128MB compactflash).
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The USB connection is only via the cradle, which can be annoying. You don't HAVE to use the power cable though, it can transfer using it's own battery. The power cable is able to plug straight into the camera itself, so charging can be cradle free. It uses its own proprietry Lithium battery (T-type), which is removable. It's one of Sony's intelligent lithiums, which reports back a more accurate reading of how much power is left (the gauge is in minutes - about 80-100 for recording, about 190 for playback - use is updated as you use it so will drop more rapidly with flash use). You can also turn the backlight of the screen off - and in bright sunlight, you can't even tell the light is off - the coolness of the transflective screen!



As far as I can tell, the T3 is almost identical to the T11 - no cover, same specs. I myself was wondering exactly why they dropped the cover (for example, the easyshare has a retractable lens with the tin rubber cover bit, maybe it works like that for the T3?)
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The T3 has a little cover that slips over the lens when its off, I believe. The cover increases the slightly, but I prefer my cameras to have some sort of cover - even though I know dust and stuff isn't supposed to affect your pictures greatly, deep in my mind, I keep thinking that it MUST somehow block light into the shutter to some level.
 
Oh have to mention a cool feature of the T1 is the magnifying glass mode - it's beyond the even the macro mode, and maginifies the image a further 3x (focal distance is about 1cm). it can take pics of the hairs on your leg, so that you can see the tips! ...uh..if that floats your boat. Even more prone to handshake, though.

Anyone have any clue how the smart digital zoom works? it doesn't pixellate like normal (worthless) digital zoom does...perhaps it's just an algortihm that antialiases it or something.

Uh...yeah, I think I'm well and trull off topic now...sorry.
 
I just laid hands on one for the first one today (I missed TGS) and played some Ridge Racers. I'm sure bits of the thing are gonna start malfunctioning or exploding or falling off or whatever sometime, but for now, the screen is pretty amazing. Ridge Racers just looks crisp as all hell, the interface design is typically boss Namco-type stuff, and the screen makes it look beautiful.

DFS.
 
duckroll said:
Apparently not... The Gagharv Trilogy is Eiden 3 to 5, not 1 to 3. This game is only a remake of the first of the trilogy as well, Shiroki Majou, which makes it a remake of Eiden 3.

But otherwise, fucking awesome screen! ARGH DAMN YOU PSP!
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Ah, thanks for the info! I knew the White Witch was part three, so I figured that one was the end of the Gagharv trilogy. I'll edit in a sec. Too bad it's only one of the three games, though. I wonder if there's enough content to warrant a full-price remake?
 
Mejilan said:
There's pretty much no chance that such Falcom lovin' is coming state-side, right? :(:(:(
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nobody knows yet. like i said, it seems entirely likely that someone will want to put it out here. people are going to be desperate for PSP SKUs. do you remember PS2 launch? this looks a damn sight better than eternal ring or orphen.
 
I like how an innocent/niche little thread turns into 3x its size just cuz people go... "wow... look at that screen"

Not that there's anything wrong with that :D
 
The T3 has a little cover that slips over the lens when its off, I believe. The cover increases the slightly, but I prefer my cameras to have some sort of cover - even though I know dust and stuff isn't supposed to affect your pictures greatly, deep in my mind, I keep thinking that it MUST somehow block light into the shutter to some level.
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Generally, yes, dust can be a problem for lenses. For something like the T3, I just wonder how more or less portable it is. I'm the kind of guy who tosses the digital stuff in my jacket, so covered stuff like the SP lasts a lot longer than something uncovered (obviously I'll be employing some sort of protector for that gorgeous PSP screen). I wonder if the T3 lens slip is enough...(it does have a black model that matches the PSP somewhat well).

mrkgoo said:
Anyone have any clue how the smart digital zoom works? it doesn't pixellate like normal (worthless) digital zoom does...perhaps it's just an algortihm that antialiases it or something.
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It's a tricky, obvious, and cool feature. Basically, it doesn't work at maximum resolution.

At a smaller resolution, though, the camera can increase zoom by upping the resolution internally and then cropping the shot. So a 3MP shot using smart digital zoom is actually a 5MP shot. Megapixel resolution does not directly equal zoom, but it does give just enough benefit to increase the functional optical zoom rating.
 
john tv said:
Ah, thanks for the info! I knew the White Witch was part three, so I figured that one was the end of the Gagharv trilogy. I'll edit in a sec. Too bad it's only one of the three games, though. I wonder if there's enough content to warrant a full-price remake?
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Come on, you're in Japan! You should know by now, if this sells well, they're going to release the next two games too...... at full price each! It looks like it's using the Eiden 6 engine though, so all's good. I believe on the PC it was remade before using the Ys Complete engine, so this would be the first time it's in 3D. How does it perform btw, since most people are really wary of console ports/remakes of Falcom games these days since Falcom doesn't do console coding anymore and the licensors that do usually suck hard. >_<

The important thing is, it seems that the PSP now has a complete RPG game (with awesome sprites and 3D backgrounds no less!) and the DS still doesn't! This needs to be fixed or Nintendo is dooooooooomed! :lol
 
I'm gonna sound like an echo reverberated the 100th time over but ... that screen is ridiculous! It's got the clarity of a CRT television.

That's going to be hard to resist buying for a gadget-phile.
 
Not to move slightly off-topic, but this thing is SCREAMING for a Symphony of the Night-style Castlevania game. SCREAMING. And so am I. I can only imagine the possibilities.
 
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