Public Unions Take On Boss to Win Big Pension

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/22/business/22union.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=lifeguards&st=cse

COSTA MESA, Calif. — City council elections in this Southern California city are usually sedate. Hot-button issues include whether libraries should stay open at night. Campaign budgets often don’t top $10,000.

Then Jim Righeimer, a conservative activist and real estate developer, jumped into the race last year.

The city was on the road to insolvency, he warned, because public employee unions had pressured politicians into handing over generous salaries and pensions. The police chief received $298,000 a year in total compensation, Mr. Righeimer noted. The deputy fire chief had retired with a pension of more than $182,000 a year.

City workers weren’t fans of Mr. Righeimer, who had been critical of public unions for years. Local police and firefighter groups started mailing leaflets and towing a billboard around town attacking him, implying he had skipped out on numerous debts. Public employees spent more than $100,000 opposing him, and six unions from neighboring regions spent another $33,000 endorsing his opponents.

“They try to drag you through the mud so bad that everyone else says, ‘I don’t ever want these guys as enemies, I’ll just leave them alone,’ ” said Mr. Righeimer, who still managed to win a council seat.

Costa Mesa, population 110,000, is California in miniature. For years, public employee unions across the state have often used their influence — sometimes behind the scenes but occasionally with public, hardball campaigns — to push for improved worker pay and benefits. They have exercised power beyond their numbers by donating money to lawmakers, burnishing candidates’ credentials with endorsements and supplying volunteers during elections.

Public employee unions are hardly the only group involved in bare-knuckles politics. Businesses lobby fiercely and executives make hefty campaign donations.

But public workers have a unique relationship with elected officials, because government employees are effectively negotiating with bosses whom they can campaign to vote out of office if they don’t get what they want. Private unions, in contrast, don’t usually have the power to fire their members’ employers.

Even in recent years, as economic troubles have worsened, benefits for some government workers have grown. In 2008, for instance, lifeguards in Laguna Beach started receiving increased retirement benefits as the state’s economy began to slow. The next year, the town’s chief lifeguard retired at age 57, with a $113,000-a-year pension after 36 years on the job....

Wow @ the bolded. Didn't know lifeguards made that much bank in California.
 
entrement said:
Plus going on life expectancy rates, 100k for around 30 more years. If his house is paid off, he's gonna have a nice retirement.

This is why this shit needs to stop. I can maybe understand for someone that served on the police force that risked their lives to bullets for 45+ years or something but a lifeguard?

Disgusting. Should not be getting paid that much, I hate this as a taxpayer.
 
I don't live in Laguna Beach so I don't know for sure, but in many wealthy beach communities those "Life Guards" aren't your normal bros hanging out with zinc oxide on their noses. They are specially trained EMT's that have to pass pretty grueling physical exams. It's pretty competitive.

They also tend to be vastly overpaid.
 
Fong Ghoul said:
I don't live in Laguna Beach so I don't know for sure, but in many wealthy beach communities those "Life Guards" aren't your normal bros hanging out with zinc oxide on their noses. They are specially trained EMT's that have to pass pretty grueling physical exams. It's pretty competitive.

They also tend to be vastly overpaid.
In all honesty, I don't mind the salary. It is an expensive region after all, I'm just wondering how much they pay into their pensions. I'm guessing not much based on those ratios.

I'm not anti pensions, I just think that public employees should pay more into them, especially with the budget crises affecting states across America.
 
i don't get hate for the people that have nice jobs. if you work ANYWHERE for 36 years you should be making $100k+ a year. people should be angry at all the fucking shitty jobs out there, not the good jobs that provide security and that compensate well.
 
I think this issue came up before. In towns like that, "chief lifeguard" is a position roughly equivalent to "chief of the fire department." Responsible for training a lot of others and directly responsible when shit hits the fan- And fire and police chiefs make a hell of a lot more than that, even in podunk towns.

he's not some kid sitting in beach chairs and chatting up girls all day- this is a senior level supervisory position.
 
Joe said:
i don't get hate for the people that have nice jobs. if you work ANYWHERE for 36 years you should be making $100k+ a year. people should be angry at all the fucking shitty jobs out there, not the good jobs that provide security and that compensate well.
Not bagging on the dude. Surprised at the income. If you read the article, many states are just not able to afford funding these pensions, without significant tax increases or cut in public services.
 
Just to pre-empt the place this is inevitably headed, this is the proper conclusion to draw:

Pensions are too high; said pensions need to be scaled back.

This is not:

Pensions are too high; unions are evil by nature and should be eliminated wherever they exist.
 
Joe said:
i don't get hate for the people that have nice jobs. if you work ANYWHERE for 36 years you should be making $100k+ a year. people should be angry at all the fucking shitty jobs out there, not the good jobs that provide security and that compensate well.

Taxpayers should not be paying a lifeguard ~100k a year for possibly 30+ years, that's ridiculous.
 
demosthenes said:
This is why this shit needs to stop. I can maybe understand for someone that served on the police force that risked their lives to bullets for 45+ years or something but a lifeguard?

Disgusting. Should not be getting paid that much, I hate this as a taxpayer.
Do you have any idea at all how pensions work?
 
Aren't pensions sort of an outmoded concept at this point? Shouldn't people just be putting a chunk of their paycheck into an IRA or 401K and dealing with their own retirement? Admittedly I know next to nothing on the subject.
 
Freshmaker said:
Do you have any idea at all how pensions work?

Yes, this being public is being paid partially by public dollars. For a pension of that size I would assume it's a lot but you're right I should get more knowledge on it before I get angry about it but I'm a cynic when it comes to this stuff.


Salmonax said:
Aren't pensions sort of an outmoded concept at this point? Shouldn't people just be putting a chunk of their paycheck into an IRA or 401K and dealing with their own retirement? Admittedly I know next to nothing on the subject.

They're usually not used much anymore b/c the current generation doesn't tend to stay at a job for 30 years to get the full pension (or however the plan is setup). Pensions were usually long time items.
 
demosthenes said:
This is why this shit needs to stop. I can maybe understand for someone that served on the police force that risked their lives to bullets for 45+ years or something but a lifeguard?

Disgusting. Should not be getting paid that much, I hate this as a taxpayer.

More like 20 to 25.
 
Duane Cunningham said:
Just to pre-empt the place this is inevitably headed, this is the proper conclusion to draw:

Pensions are too high; said pensions need to be scaled back.

This is not:

Pensions are too high; unions are evil by nature and should be eliminated wherever they exist.

Ahem, why are pensions too high? Oh no, does it go to the point you said it had nothing to do with? I am shocked.
 
Gallbaro said:
How nice that a small minority of the population can vote themselves a pay increase from the rest of the population.

I know, right? The Laguna Beach town ordinance that requires you to be a public employee to vote in elections has to be unconstitutional.
 
You don't have to belong to a union to secure a great retirement package in the public sector. My partner will be able to retire at age 55 at 100% of her average pay for the previous three years, all on the public's dime. I used to bitch about my tax dollars all the time but now I love it.

Viva government waste!
 
Duane Cunningham said:
I did? Where?

My bad, it seemed you were implying there was some reason to think that these pensions were going to magically reduce themselves, while leaving unions the power they have now...

I say Unions track record speaks for itself...
 
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