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Quebec to hold another sovereignty referendum ?

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NetMapel

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Duceppe tells the world Quebec will hold another sovereignty referendum

OTTAWA — The international community should brace for another referendum on Quebec sovereignty that will finally allow the province to become a country, said Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe in a newly released letter that was distributed around the world.

The message, sent in English, French and Spanish this week from Duceppe's Parliament Hill office to 1,600 decision-makers and elected officials in the United States, Central and South America, Europe and Asia, suggests that Quebec Premier Jean Charest's Liberal government is on the verge of being replaced by Pauline Marois' Parti Quebecois and that the province is on a path that leads directly to the breakup of Canada.


"As I am sure you are aware, Quebec is a nation in its own right," Duceppe wrote in the English version of the letter, dated June 9, 2010. "There is a strong political movement to make Quebec a sovereign country, free to levy its own taxes, make all of its own laws and conduct its own international relations. This desire for freedom, which pushes millions of Quebecers toward independence, is a strong political force."

A spokeswoman for Duceppe declined to reveal the names on the mailing list for the letter, explaining only that it was distributed to business people, elected officials and senior bureaucrats, as a part of the Bloc's campaign marking the 20th anniversary of the failure of the Meech Lake constitutional agreement.

The letter, which was printed on House of Commons stationery featuring Canada's coat of arms, said the terms of the Meech Lake accord were "very reasonable," but its rejection by other Canadian provinces in 1990 caused an upsurge in support for sovereignty that nearly led to a winning referendum in 1995.

"Everything indicates that, in the next few years, the question of Quebec's sovereignty will once again be put to the people," wrote Duceppe. "At that time, the international community will be called on to recognize this new country."

A survey conducted in April found that 58 per cent of a representative sample of Quebecers feel the idea of Quebec sovereignty is settled, while 26 per cent said it's a relevant, open issue. Only 14 per cent said they believe Quebec will become an independent country within 30 years.

As well, the CROP poll said support for sovereignty among Quebecers is at approximately 40 per cent, the same level of support registered in the referendum held on May 20, 1980. The province's second referendum on sovereignty, in October 1995, was much tighter, with 49.4 per cent voting yes and 50.6 per cent voting no to the sovereignty proposal put forth by the Parti Quebecois government of the day.

The survey was conducted by the Montreal-based CROP polling firm for The Federal Idea, a Quebec think-tank founded last year to advance the study of federalism in Canada and other parts of the world.

The open discussion of a referendum contrasts with recent comments by Marois, the PQ leader, who is supporting a plan to achieve sovereignty in steps after winning an election by repatriating Quebec's constitutional powers and stopping the federal government from encroaching on its jurisdiction in areas such as education, health and family policy. Marois has made no firm commitment to holding a referendum in a mandate following an election victory.

"We said we wanted to have a referendum when we will decide to have one, and that is what you will see in our new (platform)," Marois said in Quebec City on Friday. "I didn't change my mind about this question and we will have a discussion with the members of the Parti Quebecois."

She said the decision would be made by the PQ, adding that there were regular discussions with Duceppe since the Bloc is also working toward the same goal of sovereignty.

But Duceppe's letter said that Charest, in his third mandate as premier, has low approval ratings in recent opinion polls, opening the door for a PQ majority government in the next provincial election and potentially, ideal conditions for a referendum.

"On top of this, Canadians refuse to negotiate with Quebec and reject all compromises in advance," wrote Duceppe. "Conditions are ripe to once again put the question of Quebec's political status to Quebecers . . . It is therefore worth monitoring the current movement in Quebec and Canada's response."

The most recent surveys suggest Charest's Liberals are trailing the PQ by about 10 percentage points, while among francophone voters which decide a majority of ridings in the province, the PQ was leading in the past month by 48 per cent to only 22 per cent for the Liberals, according to Leger Marketing.

But Charest's government, which has been hampered in recent months because of allegations of corruption, has until 2013 to call the next general election.

Duceppe's letter also noted that Quebec's sovereignty movement has made progress without violence, gaining support from Canada's Supreme Court which supported Quebec's right to negotiate a new agreement with the rest of Canada following a clear referendum question and a clear majority.

He said all of Quebec's political parties have rejected the subsequent "clarity" legislation, introduced by former prime minister Jean Chretien's government, which he wrote would give the Canadian majority the right to determine what constitutes a clear question or clear majority. He added that the Clarity Act contravenes every international and democratic practice.

"Quebec's approach was clearly laid out and established in the two referendums of 1980 and 1995," he wrote. "It is stringent and beyond democratic reproach. During both referendums, the very high voter turnout and the absence of violence were in themselves remarkable."

Duceppe also wrote that Quebec is committed to protecting its own minority communities.

"Quebec has also made it clear many times that it wants to preserve and protect the rights and far-reaching institutional heritage of its anglophone community, regardless of the political status Quebecers choose in the future," he wrote. "Regarding the Aboriginal Peoples, Quebec has recognized their national existence for many years, and guarantees to give them at least as many rights as Canada gives them now. The Bloc Quebecois and the Parti Quebecois also support the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples."

Duceppe added that Quebec has always demonstrated a willingness to negotiate in good faith following a winning referendum, and wants a partnership to ensure the free circulation of people, goods and capital between the two countries.

"Whether from a legal, social, economic, political or geographical perspective, rarely has a nation been more prepared than Quebec to become a sovereign country."
 

i_am_ben

running_here_and_there
I wonder should they actually succeed will they hold referendums to rejoin Canada every decade?
 

FacelessSamurai

..but cry so much I wish I had some
I'm a Quebecer and seriously, if it would become a country I wold move to another canadian province right away. Guess I'd have no choice anyway since I work for the Canadian Army :lol
 

Binabik15

Member
The international community should brace for another referendum on Quebec sovereignty that will finally allow the province to become a country, said Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe in a newly released letter that was distributed around the world.

World: We don´t care.
 

Ether_Snake

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Well, we our a distinct nation of our own and have no reason to actually be ruled by a Canadian government. It makes no sense. When I listen to english radio in Montreal, ALL they talk about is American TV, American music, American movies, etc. Yet on the french radios it's all about our own tv/music/movies/etc., with only a little bit about the rest. We watch and listen to American entertainment too, but we definitly have a culture of our own, even moreso than the rest of Canada due to the fact that our culture can't dissolve into American culture as easily. Anyone who is French Canadian can attest to this. Plus, we have to deal with constant criticism and denial from the rest of Canada over this issue. Quebec should have been a country of its own for the past 30 years.
 
Ether_Snake said:
Well, we our a distinct nation of our own and have no reason to actually be ruled by a Canadian government. It makes no sense. When I listen to english radio in Montreal, ALL they talk about is American TV, American music, American movies, etc. Yet on the french radios it's all about our own tv/music/movies/etc., with only a little bit about the rest. We watch and listen to American entertainment too, but we definitly have a culture of our own, even moreso than the rest of Canada due to the fact that our culture can't dissolve into American culture as easily. Anyone who is French Canadian can attest to this. Plus, we have to deal with constant criticism and denial from the rest of Canada over this issue. Quebec should have been a country of its own for the past 30 years.
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, but Montreal and Northern Quebec ain't coming with you.
 

iddqd

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I`ve only been living here since February but everything Ether_Snake wrote is ridiculous.

Its one of the BEST things to be living in Montreal and to have this duality here, separation is for dumb people that always feel like the butt of the joke when someone somewhere is laughing at a party.

That "normal" people even consider thinking about this surprises me.
 

vazel

Banned
Diablos said:
Why can't this happen with the South here? God dammit!
The civil war pretty much cemented states don't have that right. Can't believe the Canadian government would allow that.
 
Diablos said:
Why can't this happen with the South here? God dammit!

I know! I think not letting the South go when it wanted to was the biggest mistake the US government ever made. Now we'll never be rid of it.
 

Home

Member
I don't know how they could afford paying their share of the national debt and the loss of so many businesses, federal government jobs, etc, plus the First nations in the north said they would never seperate from Canada.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
Belgium being split up would indeed give more ammo to Quebec. Even if I'm not a Quebecer, it's in the province own interests to split from the ROC.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
Technosteve said:
Do i need a Visa to go to Quebec now? =(

First of all, it's the provincial government that can do referendums, and the federalist party is in charge for 3 more years. There is no referendum plan for the near or medium future.
 
louis89 said:
What are the chances of this actually succeeding?


The 1995 Quebec referendum was the second referendum to ask voters in the Canadian province of Quebec whether Quebec should secede from Canada and become an independent state, through the question:

* Do you agree that Québec should become sovereign after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership within the scope of the bill respecting the future of Québec and of the agreement signed on June 12, 1995?.

The 1995 referendum differed from the first referendum on Quebec's sovereignty in that the 1980 question proposed to negotiate "sovereignty-association" with the Canadian government, while the 1995 question proposed "sovereignty", along with an optional partnership offer to the rest of Canada.

The referendum took place in Quebec on October 30, 1995, and the motion to decide whether Quebec should secede from Canada was defeated by a very narrow margin of 49.42% "Yes" to 50.58% "No".
 

Fularu

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Ether_Snake said:
Well, we our a distinct nation of our own and have no reason to actually be ruled by a Canadian government. It makes no sense. When I listen to english radio in Montreal, ALL they talk about is American TV, American music, American movies, etc. Yet on the french radios it's all about our own tv/music/movies/etc., with only a little bit about the rest. We watch and listen to American entertainment too, but we definitly have a culture of our own, even moreso than the rest of Canada due to the fact that our culture can't dissolve into American culture as easily. Anyone who is French Canadian can attest to this. Plus, we have to deal with constant criticism and denial from the rest of Canada over this issue. Quebec should have been a country of its own for the past 30 years.
That's just not true (the bit about radio stations)

While Québec has a slightly different culture from the rest of Canada, it's not THAT different.

Also Charest isn't on the verge of beeing thrown out, not even close. Duceppe is just vying for attention again.

Also Marois was prety clear, there are no plans from the "Parti Québécois" to hold a referundum any time soon.
 

Kunan

Member
I'm sure my relatives "can't wait" to see even more businesses pull out and the general economy of their towns and cities drop like a lead weight again in the leadup to this supposedly great referendum. They haaaaaate it.

watatatow said:
No, that would be Alberta.
This. Alberta couldn't be any more like Texas (even culturally) if it tried.

Cereal KiIIer said:
The referendum took place in Quebec on October 30, 1995, and the motion to decide whether Quebec should secede from Canada was defeated by a very narrow margin of 49.42% "Yes" to 50.58% "No".
I love that they did it on a 50% basis. Should be 3/4 atleast for something this big, its not some random bill.
 

Diablos

Member
chaostrophy said:
I know! I think not letting the South go when it wanted to was the biggest mistake the US government ever made. Now we'll never be rid of it.
Yep.

edit: Politically speaking, if you are liberal, isn't it more sensible to not let Quebec secede? It's my understanding that the liberals in Quebec combined with the liberals in the rest of the country is key to keeping Canada more of a socially progressive country.
 

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
Fularu said:
That's just not true (the bit about radio stations)

While Québec has a slightly different culture from the rest of Canada, it's not THAT different.

Also Charest isn't on the verge of beeing thrown out, not even close. Duceppe is just vying for attention again.

Also Marois was prety clear, there are no plans from the "Parti Québécois" to hold a referundum any time soon.

I lived across the country, and I can tell you that both "nations" live in completely different worlds.
 
The Bloc is just making a big fuss because it's not a real issue anymore. Last time I heard, surveys had "Yes" somewhere down below 25%.
 
Cereal KiIIer said:
The referendum took place in Quebec on October 30, 1995, and the motion to decide whether Quebec should secede from Canada was defeated by a very narrow margin of 49.42% "Yes" to 50.58% "No".

I always love it when I see this. Less than 1% differences. And the 'OUI' side didn't have the budget and organization that the Liberal mobilised to promote the opposition. Still, if it was the other way around, and the 'OUI' won by less than 1%, they're would've been a huge outcry and a recount.

As for me, I'm for it. As Snake mentioned, we have our own culture and political vision and views from the rest of Canada. You think Quebec voted in majority for Harper? ;-)

I don't hate Canada, not one of those morons who wants Quebec to become a country because they despise Canada for no reasons except that they want to separate. I just think it makes sense. Plus, it seems the Western part of Canada thinks Quebec's a burden.

Anyhoo, it'd be cool, but I doubt it'll happen.

By the way, that Triumph video is fuckin' disgusting. Making fun of nice and kind people, like that old fella, who can't understand you is just ridiculously evil. It's pretty low. And you could see the Canadian audience loved Quebec with their cheering and applause. :p
 
SketchTheArtist said:
I always love it when I see this. Less than 1% differences. And the 'OUI' side didn't have the budget and organization that the Liberal mobilised to promote the opposition. Still, if it was the other way around, and the 'OUI' won by less than 1%, they're would've been a huge outcry and a recount.

As for me, I'm for it. As Snake mentioned, we have our own culture and political vision and views from the rest of Canada. You think Quebec voted in majority for Harper? ;-)

I don't hate Canada, not one of those morons who wants Quebec to become a country because they despise Canada for no reasons except that they want to separate. I just think it makes sense. Plus, it seems the Western part of Canada thinks Quebec's a burden.

Anyhoo, it'd be cool, but I doubt it'll happen.

By the way, that Triumph video is fuckin' disgusting. Making fun of nice and kind people, like that old fella, who can't understand you is just ridiculously evil. It's pretty low. And you could see the Canadian audience loved Quebec with their cheering and applause. :p
Sounds good, but again, you'll only ever end up with the shit nobody wants plus the tourist trap of Quebec City. Have at it!

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tissot

Member
Yay! No more equalization payments and more jobs for the big 3 (Toronto, Calgary & Vancouver)

Quebec is like the unemployed stepchild who is finally moving out.
 

Phobophile

A scientist and gentleman in the manner of Batman.
Might as well have British Columbia secede, too. Only two places worth going to in Canada.
 
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