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Red Dead Redemption |OT| Whistling Morricone in the desert
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Haunted
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What's up with that Mo Van Barr guy (needed for the deadeye suit) - I assume he's a bounty or somesuch since it says to catch or kill him in the outfit description. I've done 7 or 8 bounties in Armadillo now, but he never showed up.
Is there a way to trigger his appearance? Anyone here already got him?
Is there a way to trigger his appearance? Anyone here already got him?
I think Rockstar's at their best when they do themed era (? can't really think of a different term for it) settings. Vice City, San Andreas, and now RDR are all based on some part of history/era and I think it's part of why all of them are so good. Their atmospheres are just amazing.
GTA4's city is great and probably the closest thing to a living city we'll see this gen, but it was just missing something in the atmosphere part.
GTA4's city is great and probably the closest thing to a living city we'll see this gen, but it was just missing something in the atmosphere part.
eXistor
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I don't think I need to tell people how good this game is, it's obvious Grade A material, but there's one thing that's bugging the hell out of me. For every cool little detail they put in the game, how they botched NPC interaction is beyond me. Almost every time there's a random encounter or doing a Stranger's quest, they never resolve the thing, they just leave it hanging in the air. I solve the quest and that's it. Say a dude comes up to me yelling his cart got stolen. I go get it back, return the cart, the dude sometimes thanks me (sometimes nothing really triggers a response from him) and then he walks off, leaving his cart behind!
Just now some half-naked woman comes running up to me yelling she needs help. I get off my horse and she steals it. I whistle for my horse, so she gets bucked off. I hogtie her and...well nothing really. She doesn't say anything, she's just become a random npc. She doesn't call me names, she doesn't say anything. So I take her to the nearest river and drop her in and again, nothing...no reaction. It's stuff like this that I really miss.
People are gonna be doing this kind of shit all the time, the game practically wants you to and the game doesn't reward you in any way. It's not just random encounters either;
For the stranger's quest American Appetites I get the choice to either
This is the biggest problem I have with the game. The rest is pretty damn great, so really it won't affect the game too much, but it's still a pretty glaring omission imo.
Just now some half-naked woman comes running up to me yelling she needs help. I get off my horse and she steals it. I whistle for my horse, so she gets bucked off. I hogtie her and...well nothing really. She doesn't say anything, she's just become a random npc. She doesn't call me names, she doesn't say anything. So I take her to the nearest river and drop her in and again, nothing...no reaction. It's stuff like this that I really miss.
People are gonna be doing this kind of shit all the time, the game practically wants you to and the game doesn't reward you in any way. It's not just random encounters either;
For the stranger's quest American Appetites I get the choice to either
let the cannibal eat his victim or kill him. I choose to pull my weapon on the sicko and he wants to fistfight me. So I hogtie him and cut his victim loose. The victim aimlessly walks away and I take the cannival with me and lay him on the railway. And again nothing. He doesn't talk to me at all, he's just become yet another generic npc. You can't bring him to justice by taking him to the sheriff. Shooting him won't matter to the game, letting him go probably won't do anything either. It's not like he's gonna start eating people again. Also the wife whose husband is missing is never heard from again, nor the woman whose child was supposedly eaten by him. It's all still hanging out there, never to be resolved for them.
This is the biggest problem I have with the game. The rest is pretty damn great, so really it won't affect the game too much, but it's still a pretty glaring omission imo.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Now that I'm getting used to it, Red Dead Redemption feels like a much better game.
fucking game! I need beaver furs so I went hunting near the lakes but couldnt find any.. but i did find some bears.. I need to kill 3 with 1 shot each.. I killed 5 with 1 shot each but it only registered as 2! so I start walking away and I get rushed by a bear out of nowhere, I couldn't switch to my shotgun fast enough and he kills me.. I lose all the bear kills for the achievement, the 2 for the challenge and all the fucking skin and claws.. ARGH!!
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Deleted member 30609
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I know I shouldn't be considering buying this, but god I'm tempted.
I know I'll hate myself when I'm doing my umpteenth 'follow Dude X mission', though. Please tell me the game doesn't fall back on the same old boring GTA/Bully mission tropes. I need the reassurance before I drop the money.
I know I'll hate myself when I'm doing my umpteenth 'follow Dude X mission', though. Please tell me the game doesn't fall back on the same old boring GTA/Bully mission tropes. I need the reassurance before I drop the money.
painey said:
If you want a tip for beavers. trying going up high a bit in between aurora basin and the edge of New Austin and be prepared to spend a lot of time getting those beavers. I dont know if it's a general bug, but with me they tended to dissapear if i used a high caliber weapon on them.
@ Rez this game is undeniable Rockstar's work but it's a farcry from GTA4's mission structure and overall singleplayer in my opinion. They were all fun different and exciting to me. If you feel interested in the period of the game then you're in for a really nice full experience. There is just so much great shit to do!
@Haunted no problem! I love figuring the maps out. I dont know if it's the next one, but the map after that was even nastier in it's clues.
Mechanical Snowman
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If the immersion and believability of the atmosphere created in Red Dead is near the level of Vice City's, then I'll be one happy cowboy. When I was playing Vice City, I was actually in Vice City. I've never really felt this with any other GTA.Aigis said:
Can't get the game until next week, but I thought I'd throw some questions around in here
Firstly, are there a lot of towns scattered around the land, or maybe just 2 or 3 main ones and the rest is wilderness? And in the towns how much of the buildings have interiors? And second, can you shoot and lasso while riding on horseback, like the equivalent of drive-bying in IV?
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
Rez said:
Ehh. it kinda does.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Edit: Nvm, got it.
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
Whoa! I did not realize there was a
scene in this game. That was kind of shocking. :lol
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Katana_Strikes
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Coming from someone who really didn't like GTAIV (and probably all the 3D ones bar III) I really like this game. It has to be the setting and characters, they are much more interesting than something in GTA. Like WW shooters, GTAs have become a dull and stale affair. This game just has a great atmosphere and world about it. I thoroughly enjoy the story and character advancement. John is so much more a likable and more relatable character than Niko etc.
The game world looks beautiful and riding around it is a pleasure. Controls are a little bit odd and could have done with being evolved from GTAs but overall they work adaquetly. Not minding having to use L2/R2 to shoot though again would have been nice to be able to change them.
There seems so much to do. I've played about 7 hours and haven't really done many of the main missions at all. Done the Marshall one and about 3/4 of Bonnies. I'm spending a lot of time doing the side missions and what not. They are so distracting. But as I said I love the main story and so far they have always been great to watch and take part in.
Bought a few properties and played a few games of Poker, which I don't really know how to play but I'm learning fast. Five Finger Fillet is quite hard to master. Unlocked a few outfits and done a few duels (after I got caught cheating in Poker lol). Took done some Wanteds though now I have the lasso I'm guessing I can capture these criminals and bring them to justice. Also got drunk in the bar and was funny to see John just calapse on the floor.
There's lots of details and things that have suprised me. Like someone who got off his horse in the middle of nowhere and went for a leak... where I shot him... but someone caught me so I had a posse after me. Then someone asked for a ride on my horse before pulling me off and taking off with it. These always end in someone dying.
So yeah great so far... except the odd time it's just frooze on me.
The game world looks beautiful and riding around it is a pleasure. Controls are a little bit odd and could have done with being evolved from GTAs but overall they work adaquetly. Not minding having to use L2/R2 to shoot though again would have been nice to be able to change them.
There seems so much to do. I've played about 7 hours and haven't really done many of the main missions at all. Done the Marshall one and about 3/4 of Bonnies. I'm spending a lot of time doing the side missions and what not. They are so distracting. But as I said I love the main story and so far they have always been great to watch and take part in.
Bought a few properties and played a few games of Poker, which I don't really know how to play but I'm learning fast. Five Finger Fillet is quite hard to master. Unlocked a few outfits and done a few duels (after I got caught cheating in Poker lol). Took done some Wanteds though now I have the lasso I'm guessing I can capture these criminals and bring them to justice. Also got drunk in the bar and was funny to see John just calapse on the floor.
There's lots of details and things that have suprised me. Like someone who got off his horse in the middle of nowhere and went for a leak... where I shot him... but someone caught me so I had a posse after me. Then someone asked for a ride on my horse before pulling me off and taking off with it. These always end in someone dying.
So yeah great so far... except the odd time it's just frooze on me.
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
leng jai said:
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It does? Where?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVVXyKP1FVkMajine said:
ThirstyFly
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So what shops sell bait? I've gotten two from looting guys, but I can't find any to purchase in the first 3 shops you have access to and the shop in the Mexican town I'm in now seems to be just for show. There's a shop icon on the map for it, but no one to puchase from (the town on the very left of the map).
Katana_Strikes
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ThirstyFly said:
I believe there's one in Thieves Landing who sell bait.
BTW is there a way to skip the skin animal cutscene? I really don't need to see that every time. One annoyance about the game. On the very rare occassion it won't show it and just skin the animal on the fly so to speak.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Do you seriously have to walk back after helping the guy on the farm? I'm not liking this game now...
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Dabanton said:
Pssh. Ya, I didn't forget how to do that. >.> I was just... testing you guys.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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This game is confusing, I saved a guy from wolves and I get honor +100. Then I leave to move on and I get honor -50... The guy already ran away so I have no idea what I messed up.
scamartilhon
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I'm curious, how do the horses in this game compare to Agro?
Stahsky
A passionate embrace, a beautiful memory lingers.
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
There are some odd glitches/bugs from time to time. They come packaged with open world games, sadly. I had a town full of people and cougars, snakes and wolves all walking in the same area completely ignoring each other and myself earlier.
And when I shot a snake? All the townspeople ran away thinking I was el diablo or someshit
Tiagomnh said:
Best horse animations I've ever seen. Controls are a bit wonky at first, but once you learn the ropes, it's pretty smooth.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Loving the hell out of this game. Atmosphere is perfect. Story is alright so far, nothing spectacular, but serviceable. Gameplay is great. Multiplayer is really fun. I love my horse and I will defend it from any fucking cougar out there. Definitely a lot better than GTA4. They really did a great job crafting the world. Back to it.
edit: although the ambient music when just riding around is a bit too sparse. But I got around that by playing the Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford soundtrack. Fits the game wonderfully. I do turn off when going about missions. Those do offer some good music.
edit: although the ambient music when just riding around is a bit too sparse. But I got around that by playing the Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford soundtrack. Fits the game wonderfully. I do turn off when going about missions. Those do offer some good music.
The song that plays after arriving in Mexico was unexpected but worked really really well.
Haunted
Member
To be honest, they kinda are.Rez said:
That said, the focus of my play isn't even on the main missions (which it is usually) because I'm having so much goddamn fun doing the peripheral stuff (Hunter challenges, side missions, soaking in the atmosphere, handling the random encounters). I'm only doing the Mexico mission at the moment because I want to open up the whole map to play in.
That's not to say the main missions are bad or anything; they're as good as any I've seen in the main GTA series. It's just that the other stuff is so fucking good you want to spend every single minute doing it.
Played free roam for hours with a friend of mine tonight.
Decided to go bear hunting with knives and dynamite up west of Blackwater. Knives were a spectacular failure but the dynamite worked like a charm. :lol
Then we went and started gunning down everyone who rode by on this stretch of road. After about 10 minutes the entire stretch of road was littered with bodies and dead horses. I used a throwing knife to kill a horse from under one guy. Then as he was getting up I threw a stick of dynamite at him and hit him in the nuts. He fell over and as he hit the ground the dynamite exploded and blasted him way off the road. :lol
I fucking love this game.
Decided to go bear hunting with knives and dynamite up west of Blackwater. Knives were a spectacular failure but the dynamite worked like a charm. :lol
Then we went and started gunning down everyone who rode by on this stretch of road. After about 10 minutes the entire stretch of road was littered with bodies and dead horses. I used a throwing knife to kill a horse from under one guy. Then as he was getting up I threw a stick of dynamite at him and hit him in the nuts. He fell over and as he hit the ground the dynamite exploded and blasted him way off the road. :lol
I fucking love this game.
â Narayan
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I really hope Rockstar doesn't end up milking this series. I hope they continue to do period pieces around.
whatevermort
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I just posted these opinions in another thread, but thought that they probably belonged here.
I'm all for games with heaps and heaps of narrative, but it's when games bombard you with hours and hours of expositionary cut-scenes I get frustrated. With RDR, I'm splitting my time between riding around (A LOT) and watching people talk to me (A LOT). I've been playing it for 7 hours, and I reckon close to 3 hours of that has either been cut-scene, or riding somewhere a long way away during a mission that serves no purpose other than for me to hear the expositionary and character-building dialogue served along the way. It's all quite well written, and it's sometimes funny, sometimes not, but the way the narrative is delivered is so blunt, so un-subtle. There's no room for interactivity within it, and that makes it feel quite old-fashioned. The gameplay has, in RDR's case, been sacrificed for story - NOT narrative, just cut-scene driven story, and characters that are far less charming than I think they're meant to be. (A lot of the script also feels like it's been created by a writer in love with their own writing, frankly; a writer who desperately needs an editor.)
To sum up: I'm a bit bored.
I'm all for games with heaps and heaps of narrative, but it's when games bombard you with hours and hours of expositionary cut-scenes I get frustrated. With RDR, I'm splitting my time between riding around (A LOT) and watching people talk to me (A LOT). I've been playing it for 7 hours, and I reckon close to 3 hours of that has either been cut-scene, or riding somewhere a long way away during a mission that serves no purpose other than for me to hear the expositionary and character-building dialogue served along the way. It's all quite well written, and it's sometimes funny, sometimes not, but the way the narrative is delivered is so blunt, so un-subtle. There's no room for interactivity within it, and that makes it feel quite old-fashioned. The gameplay has, in RDR's case, been sacrificed for story - NOT narrative, just cut-scene driven story, and characters that are far less charming than I think they're meant to be. (A lot of the script also feels like it's been created by a writer in love with their own writing, frankly; a writer who desperately needs an editor.)
To sum up: I'm a bit bored.
So I think the missions are better than standard GTA fare--I mean riding alongside a train on horseback while firing with a gang is awesomesauce and reminds me of San Andreas--but the narrative thrust of the story is shot to hell. Once again the GTA formula of doing random garbage for crap NPCs where you distinctly help every side against the middle takes hold. The one difference I would say is that the mid-game refresh of characters brings some stronger characters, much stronger than anything in GTA4. But still, it's like, Rockstar seems to hate writing normal people. Which is a shame, because they are really good at it. Would anyone argue that Bonnie and John have a very real, very believable, very honest relationship? Why does Seth even need to be in this game? Fucking shit character.Haunted said:To be honest, they kinda are.
That said, the focus of my play isn't even on the main missions (which it is usually) because I'm having so much goddamn fun doing the peripheral stuff (Hunter challenges, side missions, soaking in the atmosphere, handling the random encounters). I'm only doing the Mexico mission at the moment because I want to open up the whole map to play in.
That's not to say the main missions are bad or anything; they're as good as any I've seen in the main GTA series. It's just that the other stuff is so fucking good you want to spend every single minute doing it.
Haunted
Member
Stop doing main missions for a while and do challenges instead, or just ride around and take part in the random encounters that are going on all around you. My ratio is like 10:1 peripheral stuff (which means no cutscenes) and main missions. Much easier to take a long cutscene in every now and then when you wisely balance it out.whatevermort said:
If you just want to get through the story as quickly as possible and follow the story markers... well, don't be surprised if you get a lot of story served.