Regarding Krauser + The RE4 story

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Odnetnin

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Regarding Krauser. Spoilers ahoy of course

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Okay... we know this much that Krauser is working with Wesker and not for the granados/Saddler because they stated as much in the game. My question about Krauser is this:

The parasitic nature of the Los Plagas and their hive mentality which gives them their unique organisational structure allows Saddler/Salazar/Rasputin to all change their forms plus control the villagers. That sort of makes sense

Krauser isn't infected by Los Plagas but he is able to mutate and attack leon while regaining his senses. That established ?????... how is this possible. The T-Virus/G-Virus is about mutations + zombies and I don't recall any intelligent+controllable mutations in any of the prior REs that I've played. If Krauser can do so while working for Wesker (wait... Wesker was a mutant in RECV wasn't he?? I never got to finish the game because it was lacking in something: got all the way to antartica) How does this work? If the strain they carry is so virulent (considering that it IS a virus; and hence blood borne alal the Racoon city outbreak; the entire RE story line).. then why do you think that WESKER needs the Las Plagas? To fuse with the T/G/V virus and make a stronger entity? If my memory is indeed flawed and Wesker isn't a mutant.. how does Krauser control his mutation. I WAS PRETTY SURPRISED BY THAT

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And how come the Las Plagas can infect armor?

posted earlier in the RE4 thread but I've received no replies and that thread grows too fast. Mostly a discussion on some plot points in RE4. Any thought on these point to the title? Would you say that non of the creatures in RE0--->3 were sentient and controlled by Umbrella (I never understood Nemesis but I sure hope the movie was fucking wrong cause it sucked).
 
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Wesker is able to control his T/G virus (not sure which)infection quite well, just look at Code Veronica, so could be any number of reasons. Perhaps Krauser had the T virus, perhaps it was the Las Plagas, perhaps it was something else. either way, hes dead right? :)
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It's a game with sentient alien parasites. live with it :P
 
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I don't recall RECV that well... couldn't get into the game. I remember seeing Wesker in game but I don't remember his virus condition etc that well. Krauser definitely does not have the Las Plagas because he would have lost his will to work for Wesker if he was infected. I wonder why Saddler didn't just infect Krauser once they had Ashely. If its true that Wesker+Krauser are both carrying a strain of controllable T-virus (!) that makes very little sense imo. It does move the idea of the T/G/Veronica virus away from virulogy into something else. If it is indeed controllable... I wonder why Wesker wants the Las Plagas in the first place and why they could have just killed the whole Saddler movement themselves to get i

need CVXfreak in here for RECV discussion. :) Are you finished with RE4 yet?
 
Wesker found a way to make the T-Virus successful; he "died" in Resident Evil 1, and the virus revived him, making him stronger and superhuman, but in full control of his body and not a mutated zombie or monster. I would assume the same was done to Krauser. You see the superhuman Wesker in Code: Veronica X, where this information is revealed IIRC.
 
Lyte Edge said:
Wesker found a way to make the T-Virus successful; he "died" in Resident Evil 1, and the virus revived him, making him stronger and superhuman, but in full control of his body and not a mutated zombie or monster. I would assume the same was done to Krauser.
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really? Color me 6 shades of surprised!! ps... would he be able to infect people by biting :)
 
umm on the LyteEdge comment.

that revival thing for Wesker is a tad retarded imo. Did he inject himself without testing or what? Everyone else in Raccon city became stupid zombies and Wesker somehow becomes this uber thing? And I have to play RE0 again because I sure as hell can't remember what slug man was all about.

Wesker
what did you guys think of the whole Wesker Umbrella thing upon completion of AA. I didn't see why he had to rebuild Umbrella as is. Wasn't he a semi-tiered crone they hired to take on the STARS team? He was a mole in RE1. That's a fact. The story seems to suggest he's higher up in the company but his skills/makeup suggests otherwise. Very odd that Capcom is favouring Wesker as the RE series mega villian because I'd never thought much of him as a RE character.

And um.. .what's the original purposes that Umbrella developed the T-virus for anyhow? Bio-weaponry?

On Nemesis: so is the movie sort of correct on how he is controlled? Like by a pc?
 
Odnetnin said:
umm on the LyteEdge comment.
On Nemesis: so is the movie sort of correct on how he is controlled? Like by a pc?
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no no no no no no no no no. not even close. the "Nemesis" was just a code name for another type of Tyrant, created by Umbrella Europe with the G virus. kind of like two parallel strains of research going on, Umbrella US with T virus, and U. Europe with the G virus. at least, i think something like that.. Either way, no, he is not mechanically controlled in any way, he is fully sentient (as far as moaning "staaarrrsss" and shooting everything can be considered 'sentient').
 
border said:
Well wasn't there a robot or something at some point? I definitely remember a robot.
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are you trolling/serious/sarcastic/etc... I can't tell. Um No. Unless you want to count Ada as a robot because her backflips = :O
 
I think something in The Wesker Report made me think that he was a robot. Like he does some glowing eye thru sunglasses thing that makes him look like the old Terminator one-sheets.
 
Krauser could have some kind of new T-virus that Wesker was using him as a test subject for. Or perhaps he had a special plagas. Maybe even both combined.

I wouldn't get too involved with it. I mean, really, he's kind of a nod to Dante, don't you think? When you play him in Mercenaries and his arm glows red and you do the lunging sword attack, that's Stinger from DMC.
 
ImNotLikeThem said:
no no no no no no no no no. not even close. the "Nemesis" was just a code name for another type of Tyrant, created by Umbrella Europe with the G virus. kind of like two parallel strains of research going on, Umbrella US with T virus, and U. Europe with the G virus. at least, i think something like that.. Either way, no, he is not mechanically controlled in any way, he is fully sentient (as far as moaning "staaarrrsss" and shooting everything can be considered 'sentient').
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William Birkin created the G Virus, used it on himself in RE2. Whereas the T virus just regenerates dead cells, the G virus continues to mutate, expand, and disfigure its host (Nemesis, Birkin, and I think Lisa Trevor in the REmake). Wesker didn't use the G Virus to create Tyrant, just a very streamlined version of the T. If I am not mistaken, Wesker gave himself the T virus before RE1, but a version of it that wouldn't make him braindead but rather invincible. In RE CV he steales the T-Veronica virus from Ashford to make himself even more powerful and such.

It would make sense for him to want Las Plagas, since this is not only a virus that retains the mental capabilities of its host, but its much tougher to destroy and easier to control. Why he'd want to ressurect Umbrella is beyond me, because I thought in CV he admitted he fleeced Umbrella to get what he wanted and has his own agenda.

We know that Ada doesn't work for Umbrella nor even LIKES Umbrella (they killed her bf, if you recall in 2) so I'm not sure why she's helping Wesker or how she even KNOWS Wesker. As for Krauser, he seems like your typical brute-duped force that gets used and then discarded (and why Wesker needed BOTH of them to get the sample, is beyond me).

That's the theory, anyway.
 
ah well i was close at least. have to go play 2+3 again, havent played them in quite a while. now if only i could find the gamecube versions....
 
Wesker probably wanted both of them in there just in case one failed.

As for Wesker, perhaps he wants to resurrect Umbrella and be the new head honcho. Who knows. That's what RE5 will have to be for.
 
Its been 6 years in the RE world since CV its a good possibility that the company Wesker works for has perfected the T-Veronica virus and thats what gave Krauser his abilitys. Alexia had control of her mutations. When Wesker demanded she come with him she transformed at will into her first form.
 
Isn't it fairly strongly implied in RE4 that
the T/G virus stuff was derived from Las Plagas in the first place?
 
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GDJustin said:
for fuck's sake someone edit the topic title.
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No one knows who Krauser is if they haven't played the game. It's not a spoiler.

Its been 6 years in the RE world since CV its a good possibility that the company Wesker works for has perfected the T-Veronica virus and thats what gave Krauser his abilitys. Alexia had control of her mutations. When Wesker demanded she come with him she transformed at will into her first form.
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But didn't Alexia have to be frozen for 15 years in order for it to work properly?

Isn't it fairly strongly implied in RE4 that
the T/G virus stuff was derived from Las Plagas in the first place?
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Well I didn't think of that, but Umbrella in America developed the T/G viruses, this is all in Europe.
 
Ada has been working for Wesker since I believe Part 2. Wesker was also the one who revived her from Dying at the end of RE2. Its all in Weskers Report in CVX. Read it here.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/resident_evil_code_veronica_x_weskers_report.txt

It also reveals which endings were the real endings to each game and how Wesker survived the first RE.

As for Krause there are 2 options as I see it. Either Krauser was injected with the same agent that Wesker had taken or he is indeed infected with the Plagas but was one of the few who could resist the mind control of Sadler. Sadler has a journal where he reveals that he has to choose his subordinates carefully when he gives them the power of the Plagas because if he doesn't there is a chance they could betray him like Sera Luis did. I'm thinking Krauser may also fit into this category of having been able to resist Sadlers dominion over him. There are 2 clues that support both theories. One is the fast matrix like moving Krauser does which is exactly what Wesker was using on Chris in CVX. The second is his mutation which would be closer to the power that a Plagas infection can Yield ala Ramon Salazarr.

Now that I think about there is one more clue that supports he has the Plagas and not Weksers agent. I think Ada has the Wesker agent as well but a weaker version so Wesker can keep dominion over her. Perhaps thats what he used to saver her in RE2? What supports this theory is that during Mercenaries mode both Wesker and Ada's Mellee Moves sound and feel EXACTLY the same like some sort of powerful matrix move. On the other hand Krausers mellee moves DO NOT have that matrix feel to them which leads me to believe he was Plagas infected. In fact to even be part of the Los Illuminados's inner circle I'm sure infecting him with Plagas was one of the first things they did since No One else in the orginization was not infected with it.

This comes to the logical conclusions that most likely Wesker and Ada share the same agent but Ada most likely has a weaker version given the affectiveness of her mellee attacks in Mercenaries compared to Weskers. Krauser most likely was infected with Plagas and nothing else if only to gain the trust of Sadler and his organization which is also somewhat confirmed by his mutations and his attacks in Mercenaries mode. Lastly Hunk also displayed matrix like moves during mercenaries mode but last I heard he was loyal to the original umbrella so it would be wrong to make any assumptions based on the little information we have on Hunk atm.
 
worldrunover said:
Well I didn't think of that, but Umbrella in America developed the T/G viruses, this is all in Europe.
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Yes, but it's never been fully revealed where the original idea/viral DNA code came from, as I recall.
Seems to me the viruses' behaviors can be chalked up to human tampering with Las Plagas DNA in an attempt to utilize their parasitic control as a bioweapon.
 
But didn't Alexia have to be frozen for 15 years in order for it to work properly?
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Yes but as I said they've had 6 years to work on the virus. Maybe they learned something from studying Steve? He did regain control to save Claire just before he "died". I put "" on died because Wesker comments to Chris "Maybe he'll come back alive just as I did"
 
MattKeil said:
Yes, but it's never been fully revealed where the original idea/viral DNA code came from, as I recall.
Seems to me the viruses' behaviors can be chalked up to human tampering with Las Plagas DNA in an attempt to utilize their parasitic control as a bioweapon.
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in the REmake I could have sworn there were files and things that talked about the idea for the T-Virus coming from experimenting on and studying the Ebola virus, that they wanted to turn people into walking ebola virus weapons but that it killed the host too quickly and that's what the t-virus was all about, making a virus that allowed the infected bio-weapon to keep moving and spreading the virus

I could be off some what on some of them but I'm pretty sure the
ebola virus
was the inspiration and origin of the T-Virus
 
MattKeil said:
Isn't it fairly strongly implied in RE4 that
the T/G virus stuff was derived from Las Plagas in the first place?
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No, I odn't think that's right. Certainly didn't feel that way to me
Leon went pass some Plagas samples in the mines and they were fossilised. If that's the case; I doubt that a virus can be derived from a parasite - their effects are also vastly different.I don't think T/G virus were derived from Las Plagas.

Shaheed79 said:
Ada has been working for Wesker since I believe Part 2. Wesker was also the one who revived her from Dying at the end of RE2. Its all in Weskers Report in CVX. Read it here.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/resident_evil_code_veronica_x_weskers_report.txt

It also reveals which endings were the real endings to each game and how Wesker survived the first RE.

As for Krause there are 2 options as I see it. Either Krauser was injected with the same agent that Wesker had taken or he is indeed infected with the Plagas but was one of the few who could resist the mind control of Sadler. Sadler has a journal where he reveals that he has to choose his subordinates carefully when he gives them the power of the Plagas because if he doesn't there is a chance they could betray him like Sera Luis did. I'm thinking Krauser may also fit into this category of having been able to resist Sadlers dominion over him. There are 2 clues that support both theories. One is the fast matrix like moving Krauser does which is exactly what Wesker was using on Chris in CVX. The second is his mutation which would be closer to the power that a Plagas infection can Yield ala Ramon Salazarr.

Now that I think about there is one more clue that supports he has the Plagas and not Weksers agent. I think Ada has the Wesker agent as well but a weaker version so Wesker can keep dominion over her. Perhaps thats what he used to saver her in RE2? What supports this theory is that during Mercenaries mode both Wesker and Ada's Mellee Moves sound and feel EXACTLY the same like some sort of powerful matrix move. On the other hand Krausers mellee moves DO NOT have that matrix feel to them which leads me to believe he was Plagas infected. In fact to even be part of the Los Illuminados's inner circle I'm sure infecting him with Plagas was one of the first things they did since No One else in the orginization was not infected with it.

This comes to the logical conclusions that most likely Wesker and Ada share the same agent but Ada most likely has a weaker version given the affectiveness of her mellee attacks in Mercenaries compared to Weskers. Krauser most likely was infected with Plagas and nothing else if only to gain the trust of Sadler and his organization which is also somewhat confirmed by his mutations and his attacks in Mercenaries mode. Lastly Hunk also displayed matrix like moves during mercenaries mode but last I heard he was loyal to the original umbrella so it would be wrong to make any assumptions based on the little information we have on Hunk atm.
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I really think you might be reading a bit more into the moves than not. The LasPlagas infected humans when they changed forms all became monstrosity type creatures. The fact that Krauser remains largely human suggests his mutation is from a different thing altogether. I hope RE5 clarifies this issue instead of hiding behind some mumbo jumbo medical drama. 1-2 years is too long to wait for a sequl and the answer :(

Luis Sera was able to fight the Plagas because he was the researcher for Saddler and it was him who found out how to combat the Plagas (see pills + extraction machine). I think what Saddler meant about the betrayals has more to do with his awareness that there are individuals within his faction (BEFORE THE LAS PLAGAS HATCHES AND MATURES)... manages to stunt their growth/remove the parasite and retain their humanity. This is how they are able to resist his control. The humans who have a full grown Plagas in them are clearly no longer human as illustrated via a good head shot.
 
Odnetnin said:
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II don't remember his virus condition etc that well. Krauser definitely does not have the Las Plagas because he would have lost his will to work for Wesker if he was infected.
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No he wouldn't. There's a memo in 4 (from Saddler I think) saying that he has to choose the hosts carefully, because if their will is against him they could always turn or something like that.
 
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