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[MadOdorMachine]

Think about it. Sony has already come out and said that the new Eye Toy will be able to sense depth as well as left, right, up and down. If PS3 comes w/a remote control (for movie playback) all they would have to do is add triggers underneath it and, what do you know, it does the same thing as Revolution. Nintendo was worried about Sony stealing their idea, but for the most part, Sony has already announced something very similar.
Now suppose there's more to Revolution and a visor is to come with it as well. PS3 already supports dual monitors, so it wouldn't be very hard for them to impliment a visor for PS3. To be honest, when they announced dual monitor support, a visor was the first thing I thought of. I've been a Nintendo fan since the NES, but I'm amazed at how well Sony continues to cover all of it's bases. Sony deserves to be the market leader, they truly are doing a great job at answering consumers needs of gaming. On the plus side, there might be more ports between PS3 and Rev because of this. What are your thoughts? Do you think Sony will come up with a solution? Remember, their final controller hasn't been unveiled either.

 

[DarienA]

I would hope that Sony does not feel the need to try to now rush Gryo features in to their controller.

I'd like to get different gaming experiences on my different consoles.

With that being said I'm curious to see if we see more "serious-gaming" content developed for the EyeToy this generation.

 

[littlewig]

The revolution pad can also sense if it's is upside down as well I believe.


So it's not only left, right, back, and forward, but also any orientation in the 3D space.

 

[Monk]

I think that the eyetoy will be able to do whatever the revolution can do. Its just that it doesn't come with the system. Hopefully Sony will give an eyetoy free with the ps3.

 

[The Bookerman]

Think about it. Sony has already come out and said that the new Eye Toy will be able to sense depth as well as left, right, up and down. If PS3 comes w/a remote control (for movie playback) all they would have to do is add triggers underneath it and, what do you know, it does the same thing as Revolution. Nintendo was worried about Sony stealing their idea, but for the most part, Sony has already announced something very similar.
Now suppose there's more to Revolution and a visor is to come with it as well. PS3 already supports dual monitors, so it wouldn't be very hard for them to impliment a visor for PS3. To be honest, when they announced dual monitor support, a visor was the first thing I thought of. I've been a Nintendo fan since the NES, but I'm amazed at how well Sony continues to cover all of it's bases. Sony deserves to be the market leader, they truly are doing a great job at answering consumers needs of gaming. On the plus side, there might be more ports between PS3 and Rev because of this. What are your thoughts? Do you think Sony will come up with a solution? Remember, their final controller hasn't been unveiled either.

here's the thing. The eye toy detects movement in a 2d enviroment... The Revolution goes full 3d with it's controls.

 

[ziran]

i think it's the games that will make revolution great, not just the interface.

every nintendo franchise will change, which is amazing! i'm sure the new eye toy will be good, but nintendo is investing all its resources into revolution, so there will be innovative new titles and zelda, mario and metroid type games.

the difference is nintendo is more or less saying you have to be different on revolution.

 

[DarienA]

here's the thing. The eye toy detects movement in a 2d enviroment... The Revolution goes full 3d with it's controls.

Hmmm I think the new EyeToy is suppose to detect 3D movement as well... but I haven't been following it that closely.

 

[Dragmire]

Nintendo has been dabbling in motion sensing since GameBoy Color, so I don't think so. They've also patented Revolution's controller. You're suggesting that Nintendo made this entire controller after seeing the Eyetoy tech demo at E3 so that we could splash around in a tub with a ducky on Revolution? You underestimate Nintendo. How long ago was it that they were said to be working with that Gyration mouse company? Anyway, Eye Toy requires the use of pre-defined colors and shapes to sense 3D movement (if that was really 3D). You want to play a FPS with colored cups in each hand?

 

[Mr Mike]

A visor?!

What are you smoking? Can I have some?

 

[Thraktor]

Hmmm I think the new EyeToy is suppose to detect 3D movement as well... but I haven't been following it that closely.

Well, it can approximate depth perception by analysing the change in size of specific objects (i.e. the luminous cups and balls used in the demonstration at e3), but not only does this hog up a lot of system resources, it's also, to the best of my knowledge, nowhere near as accurate as Revolution's system appears to be. You certainly wouldn't be able to use it to play FPS games, that's for sure.

 

[DarienA]

Well, it can approximate depth perception by analysing the change in size of specific objects (i.e. the luminous cups and balls used in the demonstration at e3), but not only does this hog up a lot of system resources, it's also, to the best of my knowledge, nowhere near as accurate as Revolution's system appears to be. You certainly wouldn't be able to use it to play FPS games, that's for sure.

Indeed... is that system resources relative to the PS2 or PS3? Again I haven't followed this that much do to lack of interest... I just don't care about either product that much.

 

[Andrew2]

Looks like Sony is one step ahead...

 

[PkunkFury]

I think that the eyetoy will be able to do whatever the revolution can do. Its just that it doesn't come with the system. Hopefully Sony will give an eyetoy free with the ps3.

The infra-red eyetoy, which is not the same as th eyetoy 2 and may never be released, can read 3 dimensional forms within a certian distance from the camera. Thus, if you were to be situated in front of the camera and you leaned left, back etc., the computer could indetify that you are leaning and could render game action accordingly. The eyetoy is never doing any precise tracking, just rendering based on form and motion. Also, some eyetoy demos have been shown where the user holds a bright colored sponge in front of the camera and the eyetoy tracks the motion of the color accross 2D space. This technology could proably work in combinatin with the 3D technology for some interesting effects, however, eyetoy would have a lot of difficulty reading accurate rotation data from either of these methods, be they using form based infra red or the color tricking method. The only time I've seen new eyetoy do any sort of rotation tracking is when a user squeezes the colored sponge, cutting its LxW ration in half, and rotates the sponge on a 90 degree angle around the Z-axis (into the camera). And this form of rotation tracking looked really skittish when I saw a live demo, which is to be expected from a camera that wouldn't understand rotation anyway.

The eyetoy can read motion of large bodies, and detect form in 3D space, as well as detect color and used colored images for in game projections. The Revolution remote is a precise method of tracking a single 3D point in space, including not just position data in 6 directions, but also rotation data around all three axis. The two technologies couldn't be more different, and are only similar in that they both provide a means for a machine to detect a small aspect of our three dimensional world.

 

[Vieo]

A visor?!

What are you smoking? Can I have some?

Visors will happen soon. It's just the next natural evolution of things. It would also be a hell of a lot better to use your head to look around while playing a game instead of the right analog stick too.

 

[DCharlie]

"Think about it. Sony has already come out and said that the new Eye Toy will be able to sense depth as well as left, right, up and down. If PS3 comes w/a remote control (for movie playback) all they would have to do is add triggers underneath it and, what do you know, it does the same thing as Revolution. Nintendo was worried about Sony stealing their idea, but for the most part, Sony has already announced something very similar.
Now suppose there's more to Revolution and a visor is to come with it as well. PS3 already supports dual monitors, so it wouldn't be very hard for them to impliment a visor for PS3. To be honest, when they announced dual monitor support, a visor was the first thing I thought of. I've been a Nintendo fan since the NES, but I'm amazed at how well Sony continues to cover all of it's bases. Sony deserves to be the market leader, they truly are doing a great job at answering consumers needs of gaming. On the plus side, there might be more ports between PS3 and Rev because of this. What are your thoughts? Do you think Sony will come up with a solution? Remember, their final controller hasn't been unveiled either."

.... my thought is that , no matter what, Sony will get credit for everything at some point, including Christs ability to turn water into wine.

 

[PkunkFury]

Looks like Sony is one step ahead...

This appears to be describing a didji glove, or flex glove, the likes of which are used regularly in VR applications and finger mtion capture. The flexible material lining the back of each finger is calibrated at an open hand and close hand position, and then when in use the computer can detrmine exactly how much each finger is bent. Some goofy mo-cap systems actually line the whole body with the flexible data tape in the fingers to capture moves at every joint. The gloves are cool, but a pain to take off, put back on, and recalibrate for every use. They might find a place in video games one day, but simple point tracking like the revolution is using will be a much more usable and cheaper first step.