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Christoff Yurievich
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was it bouncing?Belgand said:
On a side note.
Just saw this on Gamestop.com
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=72353
Guitar Hero: Aerosmith for the PC.
$40
Just saw this on Gamestop.com
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=72353
Guitar Hero: Aerosmith for the PC.
$40
BigBlackGamer
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Flynn said:
dont hate the more dude.
Flynn said:
Truly appropriate. I'd rather sell out to Scrotal Trends Weekly than Hot Topic.
At the mall this weekend I noticed that Aeropostale is pushing the Plain White Ts. As if we needed even more shitty music to keep getting promoted.
Oh and on a totally unrelated note: did Green Day write "Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life)" specifically for it to be used as accompaniment to montages at high school graduations? I assume the secondary usage was to give something new for douche nozzles to play (poorly) in common areas on college campuses. It feels specifically crafted for these two uses and has been adopted with great fervor for both.
TheGreatDave
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It's also great for any emotional montage your shitty movie requires.
GUYS, Spirit of Radio is going to be in the DS version of Rock Revolution. Now, if my memory serves, the DS version is all MIDI music. I can't WAIT to hear that.
GUYS, Spirit of Radio is going to be in the DS version of Rock Revolution. Now, if my memory serves, the DS version is all MIDI music. I can't WAIT to hear that.
BobFromPikeCreek
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I want another stride code. 
DS isn't restricted to midi, so it probably won't be. Unless you read somewhere that it will. In that case: AWESOME.
TheGreatDave said:
DS isn't restricted to midi, so it probably won't be. Unless you read somewhere that it will. In that case: AWESOME.
TheGreatDave
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I won one the day after I put my email in, then I opened up 20 accounts and I've got nothing.
BobFromPikeCreek
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Same. Maybe it knows IPs.TheGreatDave said:
TheGreatDave
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Duck said:
Did you get two to the same email address?
I'm starting to think maybe keeping all the info the same apart from the email address kinda tipped them off.
NameGenerated
Who paid you to grab Dr. Pavel?
Ohmahgawd. I finally won a free Rock Band track. Now...if only I could connect to Live in my dorm.
Buttonbasher
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My download is still not working. Fix it Microsoft.
sublime085
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I downloaded fine through the Inside Xbox link. Maybe try that?Buttonbasher said:
Buttonbasher
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Ive tried the Music Store in RB2 and the Xbox Live Marketplace. Neither work. They were saying (on the Rock Band forum) that the issue should be resolved by midnight (no time zone given).sublime085 said:
I want my Under the Bridge too!
EDIT: Yay! Worked in the Music store!
TheGreatDave said:
Dave, I highly respect you. You are one of the main contributors in this thread and I respect your opinions. However, this platform thing irks the heck out of me. Platform is an extremely broad definition of something and Rock Band still resembles a platform.
Definition of Platform:
A. something that allows someone to tell a large number of people about an idea,
product, etc. The company plans to use the show as a platform to launch the new soft
drink.
(I think Rock Band is a platform for Harmonix to let people see their ideas of the music game genre they popularized.)
B. computers : a program or set of programs that controls the way a computer works and
runs other programs : operating system ▪ The program can be run on various PC
platforms.
(Rock Band 2 is a improvement on the existing platform.
With what you say MS Windows is not a platform.
Though many consider it to be.
However, I can't play Halo 2 on Windows XP, I can only do it on Windows Vista.
So does that not make windows a platform?)
Harmonix has provided more of a platform then most any other game.
Considering how the competition has handled their games up to this point.
I have to say Rockband has done a fine job.
Considering DLC still works for RB1 is impressive as most companies
will kill the other game as soon as 2 is released.
I have 97 DLC songs and 139 Songs from RB1/RB2 I'm fairly invested
in the platform and whilst I'll buy GHWT it'll be hard for them to ever
get as much love from me as Rock Band has gotten.
C. Plus if you tape a bunch of empty Rock Band Boxes to your feet you'll have Rock Band
Platform Shoes.
(Gets off of soap box, goes back to lurking)
sublime085
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You had me at platform shoes.
TheGreatDave
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meljeff said:
Because the term is vague, it's really not an argument anybody can win, but let's play:
I always point to Singstar. Singstar Volume 1 owners are getting the new features from Singstar Volume 2 added to their version of the game for no additional cost. Songs from both versions of the game are being added to the store for people with other versions of the game to download (though not all the songs as of yet, to be fair, but they say they want to). That, to me, is a platform. You purchase your software, and you're able to update it. Harmonix's model is basically like requiring you to re-purchase Windows Vista in order to get a service pack.
I'll buy Rock Band 2. I'm glad it exists. I've always been opposed to the idea of a game just being downloadable content on a base product, and I feel the genre deserves better than that. But this platform thing...it just annoys me every time I hear it (and every day I read it
) because it makes no sense. It's like saying "Playstation" is a platform because the PS3 can play PS2 games. Ignoring the fact PS2 owners can't play PS3 games.Also, I agree it's better than most games. I like the song export system. It's just a phrase that irks me, rather than a practice that annoys.
So when do we get the "Acoustic Guitar Songs College-Age Douche Nozzles Play Because They Think It Will Make Them Seem Sensitive Enough to Convince Girls to Sleep With Them" Pack. I'm predicting a lot of James Blunt, John Mayer, and Dave Matthews Band.
I mean, we got Plain White T's and they're on that terrible pit of horrors that they're calling a tour and that... thing they released a year or two ago fits squarely onto this list. Plus they've
included far too much (i.e. any) shitty emo on disc and in DLC.
Going back a bit, what the fuck is with the whole frat boy/Dave Matthews Band connection? I simply cannot conceive of how that could have happened.
I mean, we got Plain White T's and they're on that terrible pit of horrors that they're calling a tour and that... thing they released a year or two ago fits squarely onto this list. Plus they've
included far too much (i.e. any) shitty emo on disc and in DLC.
Going back a bit, what the fuck is with the whole frat boy/Dave Matthews Band connection? I simply cannot conceive of how that could have happened.
overthehill99
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Its the price they have to pay to get AC/DC songs in the game.sneaky77 said:
sneaky77 said:
I take platform to mean: cross-compatibility for songs and instruments between all games.
RB2 was basically what GH2 was the only difference is that in those days it was the only way we could get new songs. Now that new songs are everywhere and the first game is exportable it makes it feel much more shoddy. They need to learn to make more substantial improvements. Oh, and to stay on fucking schedule and not promote features that they'll end up cutting at the last minute despite basically just doing an update of what they already have.
TheGreatDave
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I think RB2 is a huge improvement over the first game. Much more so than GH:2 was to GH:1. No part of me feels it's a rip off for the money. It's bigger, better and more bad-ass than ever before!
Magik said:
I have no problems with it, I never believe their "platform" talk in the first place... but I guess a lot of people keep talking about it when is not.. oh well.. I dont really care.. and I am glad HMX pushed Microsoft to change their dlc guidelines to allow for compatible dlc that now GH:WT will be able to use for their games as well
saunderez said:
No, that's a large portion of the audience here as well. Just don't discount weepy young girls and guys who notice women looking at these guys swooning about how sensitive and caring they are and think, "Hey, that's a lot easier than date-rape. Not to mention with a greater chance of getting to FHUTA if I just play a few songs, look deeply into her eyes, and mention how I'm still getting over some things."
The film (and the book has been on my list for a ludicrously long time as well, so I can't comment on it) The Rules of Attraction showcased this amazingly well. Usually these types of guys are so much amoral sexual predators as much as complete asshats, but it's still a very apt demonstration.
TheGreatDave said:
I understand where you are coming from. I'm not saying it is perfect and since Platform is such a broad term you can argue it many different ways. They probably could have added alot of those features via a update or patch. However you'd probably need to pay for it on the marketplace.
I can't say anything about Singstar because I don't own or have never played it.
However, I think at some level "Service Packs" are a necessary evil and in this paticular case you have to pay for them.
I work for a software company and what we do is charge a percentage of the value of the purchase price of software as a maintenance fee annually.
This entitles them to new versions and updates. It is like a subscription model.
My initial buy in to Rock Band was $189.00 US Dollars for instruments and Game.
So my $59.99 "Service Pack" was only 1/3 of the buy in price.
That is well worth it to me and it is a continuation of the platform
because all my old stuff works. Instruments included!
Nobody is forced to apply the "Service Pack" though I can't see why you wouldn't want to.
I think the real answer to the question of platform is going to be next-gen when the question becomes. Will all my old DLC carry over to the next console? If that happens I'll personally kiss every person at Harmonix.
BigBlackGamer
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does anyone know if RB: ACDC is actually a xbox 360 game within itself? so there will be 1000 more achievement points attatched to a 18 song disc?
TheGreatDave said:
They both feel like "tweaks that should have been in the first game, but we rushed to ship too early and apparently never tested the damn thing because everyone else complained about these things" with new songs.
OK, Battle of the Bands is a legitimate new thing that's interesting. I lump Challenges into that because I still fail to see how they realistically differ. Fill trainer is a noteworthy enough expansion of existing ideas to count as exciting and new. Otherwise it was just fixing BWT: online, solo accessible, no stupid leader/instrument-locked crap. It really doesn't feel like it required all year.
Plinko said:
I'll second that and demand "Radar Love" even if the bass part is grindingly annoying. Who doesn't already sing along to that?
I might also be the only person to ever remotely consider that Blue Swede - "Hooked On A Feeling" (let's face it, it's vastly superior to the BJ Thomas original) and some Neil Diamond would certainly be a lot of fun, primarily for vocals.
David Hasselhoff's cover of "Hooked On A Feeling" would be... best dealt with via harsh abrasives applied directly to the brain.
Actually the more I think about this the more I think it's a terrible idea and I ought to just delete this all without posting it to avoid the very justified mocking that will soon follow.
TheGreatDave
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Belgand said:
But really, GH:2 was a big improvement, but it just added co-op. They improved their charts with the old three note chords of sexiness but when it comes to features it was pretty light. It obviously didn't "need" more dev time than RB2 did. I think the online stuff in Rock Band 2 really moves the genre quite a bit, definitely in a direction I'm personally interested in.
Belgand said:
You know it is funny because when a new version of windows comes out. A lot of people run to see what Freecell looks like or it is still there. Some people actually love Windows Vista because Freecell looks so cool.
Alot of stuff happens behind the scenes but no one really notices or cares.
I'm curious how much is going on behind the scenes in the game and perhaps hooks
are now in place to do greater things later through online updates or perhaps even part of the new xbox experience. I guess we'll have to see.
TheGreatDave
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Shit, they should have Rock Band "Primetime" stuff. At a certain time, all the sensible people with an Xbox in this thread get online and we get to play each other in various battles, with an audience of half a dozen!
TheGreatDave said:
Well, you have your point of view and I have mine, but in mine the improvements in RB2 are as minor as the ones in GH2.
GH2:
- Three-note chords
- No stupid trade-off face-offs
- Co-op with entirely new instrument/parts for all songs
- HO/POs usable by mortals
- Improvements to the store
- Gold stars for perfect runs
- More songs
- Slightly more clothing options
RB2:
- BotB/Challenges
- BWT finally online like we were supposed to have all along
- No more leader nonsense
- Solo BWT
- Better quickplay menu
- Create your own playlists
- Drum trainer
- More songs
- Slightly more clothing options
- More features cut at the last minute
Frankly after comparing the two I'd say that GH2 actually seems like the better sequel. I'd also say that if you want to get technical you could count the DLC being introduced for GH2 on the 360, but I don't because that was just a pump-priming re-tread released well after the PS2 original GH2.
I also find it very interesting that we're debating this when we're both from the sub-human troll population that is being denied RB2 at the moment.
meljeff said:
A valid statement, but nothing has ever really been mentioned about it so it's hard to judge effectively. Also, "GRRR!" to you people who assume it's all about the 360.
TheGreatDave said:
Or they could implement something similar in Home. Though honestly I think that Home is going to be a bit of a failure since it'll likely be nothing but ads in various forms combined with Second Life and with nothing to do there. Nobody will bother loading it up when they could be playing games instead. It's a cute idea, but I think the novelty will wear off quickly and people will realize it's not really a good idea from a practical standpoint... it's just all marketing.
I'm still personally holding out for a patch sometime around the full October launch with the instrument bundles and all that...maybe if the features it's missing hadn't been promised it would be different, but I feel underwhelmed by Rock Band 2 due to hyped things missing that I was looking forward to. Regardless, it's still a hell of a deal. 104 songs for $60, it doesn't get better than that.
TheGreatDave
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Belgand said:
I dunno, most of GH:2's new stuff doesn't strike me as a huge deal breaker. The only new feature that really mattered to me was the co-op, and even then the way you couldn't play bass/rhythm in single player seriously lowered the usage I got from it personally. Especially when my girlfriend never wants to play any mode but Pro Face Off and it didn't have any online modes on 360. I think BotB and online World Tour are a bigger deal than anything in GH:2, but I guess it comes down to your own needs, wants and DESIRES.
Belgand said:
I think the NEW Xbox Live EXPERIENCE basically does the things I'd want Home to do much more elegantly. I don't want to walk around with my friends, but I do want to group up with them. I want events to be held at set times, but I don't want to have to load a program within a program to do them.
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