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[EazyB]

And here I was planning not to buy GH:WT because Activision plans to release 1000 different SKUs a year; now it looks like Harmonix is no better.

It's a good thing they're doing this with a Band I don't care for, but in a few months they could be doing the same thing again with a band I want...

 

[saunderez]

I started playing GGAHT with my girlfriend, her on hard drums and me expert guitar. I quit after a minute. It's slow enough by default, let alone at hard speed.

I guess the reason it doesn't affect me so much anymore is the majority of the time I'm on vocals. I couldn't care less how fast their screens are scrolling, I'm not paying attention.

 

[BobFromPikeCreek]

And here I was planning not to buy GH:WT because Activision plans to release 1000 different SKUs a year; now it looks like Harmonix is no better.

It's a good thing they're doing this with a Band I don't care for, but in a few months they could be doing the same thing again with a band I want...

I'd be 100% alright with it if the price of the disc didn't exceed the value of the content.

 

[DuckRacer]

And here I was planning not to buy GH:WT because Activision plans to release 1000 different SKUs a year; now it looks like Harmonix is no better.

It's a good thing they're doing this with a Band I don't care for, but in a few months they could be doing the same thing again with a band I want...

Honestly, I think that if Harmonix keeps on doing band-specific games, the terms of their availability won't be nearly as strict as this, simply because most bands aren't full of stringent asses like AC/DC. We won't see them release, say, Rock Band: Muse Edition exclusively at a single store with no DLC release.

The only exceptions to this would be the extremely elusive bands like Led Zeppelin and the Beatles.

 

[Magik]

We won't see them release, say, Rock Band: Muse Edition exclusively at a single store with no DLC release.

I'd pay full price for a Muse Edition... seriously... I'm such a whore ;_;

 

[rohlfinator]

I don't disagree but you are:

1. Getting Physical Media - Packaging Fees -zero value to someone who rips the songs into RB2
2. Getting a stand alone game. -zero value to someone who rips the songs into RB2
3. Getting to play AC/DC tracks (AC/DC demands a premium cost more then likely) -maybe, but are AC/DC tracks really worth nearly 4x the cost of the average on-disc song in RB2?
4. Getting the ability to transfer to your RB1/RB2 library. -this is the only redeeming value of the pack, but if it was DLC this would be a non-issue

I realize that this isn't going to change, and that some people will buy it regardless, but that doesn't change the fact that it's literally the worst value per-song of any Rock Band or Guitar Hero release, DLC included. And it doesn't even try to justify its cost with chintzy extras. It's just blatantly bad.

Personally, it doesn't bother me too much since I'd skip it anyway (unless I could download a few singles for a reasonable price). But for a brand that's trying to build momentum against a giant like Guitar Hero, shit like this really isn't going to help.

 

[TheGreatDave]

I see no reason why these ACDC tracks can't be in the Music Store. Who dictates it can only be a disc? Why would ACDC care if it was DLC with no option to buy single tracks?

 

[Archie]

I see no reason why these ACDC tracks can't be in the Music Store. Who dictates it can only be a disc? Why would ACDC care if it was DLC with no option to buy single tracks?

AC/DC probably dictates everything. I'm sure Activision would have to jump through the same hoops to get them in GH.

 

[rohlfinator]

I see no reason why these ACDC tracks can't be in the Music Store. Who dictates it can only be a disc? Why would ACDC care if it was DLC with no option to buy single tracks?

That one might be Harmonix's doing, actually -- they may have refused to allow it, since it goes against the a la carte nature of the Music Store.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

I realize that this isn't going to change, and that some people will buy it regardless, but that doesn't change the fact that it's literally the worst value per-song of any Rock Band or Guitar Hero release, DLC included. And it doesn't even try to justify its cost with chintzy extras. It's just blatantly bad.

Personally, it doesn't bother me too much since I'd skip it anyway (unless I could download a few singles for a reasonable price). But for a brand that's trying to build momentum against a giant like Guitar Hero, shit like this really isn't going to help.

"zero value" means fuck all, m'kay? It's a physical disc no matter what you do to it and all of those listed factors have to be taken into account with physical media. Packaging doesn't design itself, print itself, or manufacture itself. It also doesn't do any of these things out of thin air. All of these steps cost money. Sure it was retarded to offer it like this (a code included in the AC/DC BRD would have been smarter and cheaper and probably driven more sales of said BRD) but that's what they chose to do. "They", however, could be anyone from AC/DC to HMX and I'm sure we'll never know.

AC/DC probably dictates everything. I'm sure Activision would have to jump through the same hoops to get them in GH.

That one might be Harmonix's doing, actually -- they may have refused to allow it, since it goes against the a la carte nature of the Music Store.

:lol two different answers to the same question.

 

[TheGreatDave]

That one might be Harmonix's doing, actually -- they may have refused to allow it, since it goes against the a la carte nature of the Music Store.

I hope in five years we get an interview with an ex-Harmonix employee that's gone off the rails and gives me this info.

 

[BigDug13]

Even if the disc equaled $2 per song, it still goes against what they've tried to do from the beginning with DLC, and that's give you a choice. What if I don't want every AC/DC song they're providing? I'm stuck with paying more than $2 per song anyway. I'm going to wait until this deal tanks and get the game for cheaper.

 

[rohlfinator]

"zero value" means fuck all, m'kay?

Once I rip the songs to my HDD, I may as well throw the disc away. That's "zero value". I don't really care where the costs come from; it's a poor value no matter how you slice it.

RB2 had just as much cost involved with packaging and distribution (possibly more), yet somehow they managed to sell it for a reasonable price given its contents.

I hope in five years we get an interview with an ex-Harmonix employee that's gone off the rails and gives me this info.

Yeah, definitely. Right now I imagine that there's been some internal disputes between Columbia, MTV, and Harmonix, and in the end Harmonix (and the consumer) lost. I could be totally off the mark, though.

 

[derder]

All I know is that I would pay $25 for the AC/DC cd. I would easily buy most of the songs for $2 each.

I'm not buying the $40 dvd.

It's pretty fucking simple, really.

 

[The Jer]

I'm one of the only one of my friends who plays on expert for instruments (most everyone sings on expert). Most play on easy/medium. It sucks so bad. I'd rather play by myself than with my friends because of the stupid track speed. Heck, I'd rather have solo going than band play (but, I can't convince my friends to do it).

 

[TheGreatDave]

I'm one of the only one of my friends who plays on expert for instruments (most everyone sings on expert). Most play on easy/medium. It sucks so bad. I'd rather play by myself than with my friends because of the stupid track speed. Heck, I'd rather have solo going than band play (but, I can't convince my friends to do it).

Same. It sounds assholey but I just can't enjoy the game with the reduced speed. Hammer ons are already harder to see with a smaller fretboard, then add the game squashing them all together.

 

[EazyB]

Same. It sounds assholey but I just can't enjoy the game with the reduced speed. Hammer ons are already harder to see with a smaller fretboard, then add the game squashing them all together.

I guess that's the good thing about the drums. I can play expert drums even while others play on easy. Occasionally the slower speed will screw me up but for the most part it's no big deal.

 

[M3wThr33]

I tried explaining similar shit like this over on the SA forums and they called me a douchebag.

From what it sounds like over in Something Awful's eyes, if you enjoy the game without getting drunk and fucking around, you're just an asshole.

I was trying my best to explain how No Fail Mode can ruin the game in certain circumstances where people play above the level that they normally play at and totally fuck up the song and ruin it for everyone else. Then it was like 2 pages of replies of "Y DONT U PLAY DRNUK!"

I then said Easy Mode should be no fail by default or add a band practice mode, but whatever.

 

[Archie]

That's what you get for posting at SA.

 

[saunderez]

I tried explaining similar shit like this over on the SA forums and they called me a douchebag.

I got the shit flamed out of me for saying I preferred the charting in GH:A to RB1. And then when I tried to defend my opinion I got a 24 hours time out. Never posting there again.

 

[TheGreatDave]

I got the shit flamed out of me for saying I preferred the charting in GH:A to RB1. And then when I tried to defend my opinion I got a 24 hours time out. Never posting there again.

Your truth is appreciated here.

 

[Gary Whitta]

nm

 

[M3wThr33]

Yeah. I'm a little depressed at how shit-minded the place has become. Nothing can be serious anymore. It all has to be a joke over there.

 

[Affeinvasion]

As opposed to the deadly serious tone of Gaf?

 

[DuckRacer]

I tried explaining similar shit like this over on the SA forums and they called me a douchebag.

Come on, you were being a douchebag. You were being called (and I quote) a "faggot" numerous times because of elitist posts like these:

Since star power is pooled, they can use it themselves to come back. When idiots fail on easy it's because you didn't communicate to them how to activate star power when they need it.

Just fucking stress that at the beginning before you start playing. If they can figure out how to fucking strum a god damn fake guitar, they can figure out how to hit a giant oversized bar when their entire track is pulsing red.

CRITICIZE them when they fail. If they're focusing too much on the little gems to even notice what's going on, they need to build up more confidence. You want them to FEAR failing. You want it on their mind.

If you are nice about this, then they won't give a shit when they play. They'll sound terrible and screw you up. You can't hold people's hand for everything or otherwise you might as well just have a group practice mode and only ever play in that.

I don't care about alienating neophytes. The series is established enough at this point to not need them to survive. It's usually the novices who wreck the instruments the most. POUNDING on the pedal, thwacking the drum sticks and pads, ham-fisting the guitar pick, spitting into the mic. Pandering to this crowd just keeps the game from going further. It's also the same group of people that discourage these games from having uncensored lyrics.

Yes, you had some people make stupid, cliched responses ("drunk gaming hmm?!"), but still. Whatever point(s) you were attempting to convey over there were immediately discredited by some specific things in your posts, whether you like it or not.

I got the shit flamed out of me for saying I preferred the charting in GH:A to RB1. And then when I tried to defend my opinion I got a 24 hours time out. Never posting there again.

Superior charts mean nothing when you can't see the notes against the shitty multicolored scrolling board. /troll

I think GH:A's charting is actually perfectly fine and near Harmonix's level, and was one of the best things about GHA, I just wish they'd transition into a solid color background with the scrolling board.

 

[saunderez]

Yeah. I'm a little depressed at how shit-minded the place has become. Nothing can be serious anymore. It all has to be a joke over there.

Not just that but the fanboyism is extreme. Not just for consoles, but for game series. It's much worse than here. Over there they won't tolerate anyone speaking good of GH in the RB thread. But you go to the GH thread and all the same people from the RB thread are in there trash talking it.....

I just wish they'd transition into a solid color background with the scrolling board.

As far as I'm aware you design your own fret boards in GH:WT. So that won't even be an issue anymore.

Not that I've ever had a problem, even with the problematic Perry fretboard everyone hated.

 

[Johnkers]

Not just that but the fanboyism is extreme. Not just for consoles, but for game series. It's much worse than here. Over there they won't tolerate anyone speaking good of GH in the RB thread. But you go to the GH thread and all the same people from the RB thread are in there trash talking it.....

Around GH3 and RB1 release, that was exactly what it was like here. Now it's just the same people in both topics :lol

 

[Affeinvasion]

Most of us will probably also end up owning both.

 

[saunderez]

Around GH3 and RB1 release, that was exactly what it was like here. Now it's just the same people in both topics :lol

You have to admit the vast majority of people here are willing to at least give GH:WT a chance though. The fact that it's pretty much just us posting in the GH:WT thread as well is testament to that I guess.

 

[Affeinvasion]

That and I can make passive aggressive posts complaining about the product placement in the Guitar Hero series.

 

[DuckRacer]

As far as I'm aware you design your own fret boards in GH:WT. So that won't even be an issue anymore.

WHAT

That's awesome. Seriously.

 

[Johnkers]

You have to admit the vast majority of people here are willing to at least give GH:WT a chance though. The fact that it's pretty much just us posting in the GH:WT thread as well is testament to that I guess.

Yeah now it's definitely improved. Back then though, GH topics were hate tanks!

 

[saunderez]

Yeah now it's definitely improved. Back then though, GH topics were hate tanks!

I don't get it myself....Neversoft made GH3 in 7 months and had zero experience with rhythm games. I think they made a pretty competent GH game all things considered. It just wasn't Rock Band (for obvious reasons).

 

[Johnkers]

I don't get it myself....Neversoft made GH3 in 7 months and had zero experience with rhythm games. I think they made a pretty competent GH game all things considered. It just wasn't Rock Band (for obvious reasons).

People with no logic behind their arguments. Love to hate and hate to love!

 

[Tenks]

As far as I'm aware you design your own fret boards in GH:WT. So that won't even be an issue anymore.

Oh really? I didn't hear about that -- awesome news. It was pretty lame I had to use the leather girl simply because she had the most "simple black background" fretboard in GH3. I also know you can set hyperspeed per person on band mode in WT. Like "hyper guitar", "hyper drums" and such. Hopefully they patch that into RB2 at some time

Looking forward to the 19th!

 

[Javaman]

Big time.

It might just be the last song you've played. I had gold stars next to my name a while back but sure as hell haven't been averaging that through all the songs.

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

You have to admit the vast majority of people here are willing to at least give GH:WT a chance though. The fact that it's pretty much just us posting in the GH:WT thread as well is testament to that I guess.

my hate stemmed more from the guitar thing (PS3 owner) and since they took care of that I'm back on board.

 

[saunderez]

Oh really? I didn't hear about that -- awesome news.

I don't know for sure but I've heard it a few times so I hope it's true.

 

[duffey]

As far as I'm aware you design your own fret boards in GH:WT. So that won't even be an issue anymore.

Jesus that game is getting more appealing by the minute now.

 

[BobFromPikeCreek]

I wish GH:WT had a setlist more suited to my tastes. It sounds like they've got some wicked ideas there.

 

[saunderez]

It might just be the last song you've played. I had gold stars next to my name a while back but sure as hell haven't been averaging that through all the songs.

Yeah its utterly nonsensical and means absolutely nothing. I've gone from Gold, to 3 stars back up to 5 stars.

 

[Onemic]

You should start setting it up now if you can. It takes a little while. :lol

Yep it took a good 2 hours to set it up, but its set now and i've pretty much set it up the way of a traditional drumset. My third cymbal is shipping in 2-3 weeks, so it'll probably be a little weird having to hit the blue pad rather than the cymbal.

 

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Why do they have to be 300 dollars? :/

 

[Otheradam]

Has there been any outlets that have compared the RB2 drums to the GH drums? I'm really torn about which set to get. On paper, the GH drums look like they are better.

 

[fistfulofmetal]

I wish GH:WT had a setlist more suited to my tastes. It sounds like they've got some wicked ideas there.

Indeed. I like some of the things they're introducing but the tracklist is a few degrees off of abysmal, and that's all that really matters to me when it comes down to it.

 

[DuckRacer]

BBG, for whatever reason I was booted, message said "host has left the game", but then I saw you still playing Smokin' in the tour challenge. XBL still must be screwing up. :/

 

[BigBlackGamer]

yea its all crappy.

 

[M3wThr33]

Why do they have to be 300 dollars? :/

Because similar drums cost even more.

 

[DuckRacer]

yea its all crappy.

Fun playing with you, though. Too bad I suck at the YBYR hammer-ons. :lol

 

[BobFromPikeCreek]

Because similar drums cost even more.

I understand the justification. I was just whining for the sake of whining.