RTTP: Avatar (extended edition)

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Rewatched this movie (extended edition) last night, last time I watched it was when it was in the cinemas.

First, this movie is a masterpiece... and not in the sense of an complex and deep story. Its all about the presentation and the feeling of you really being there and really WANT to be there... the fauna etc of Pandora is so awe inspireing that you would jump the light speed in a heart beat.

Another good thing that Cameron did was that he knew that people would get jaw dropped by the visuals, so instead of making complex characters he made the visuals work to in his favour, making the story more engaging (aka everything is connected to one and another in a "spirutal" sense) since everything is so colourful and alien in a very beautiful way.

I honestly belive it will be a timeless classic (like his prev. work) and a milestone and reference point in movie making for the future.

So, now... why do you hate/love it?
 
Since you've just watched the superior Extended Cut, you should now watch the 40 minutes of scenes that didn't even make it into that cut.

dat Dream Hunt :(
 
I've given few movies a full score.

Avatar (extended) on Blu-ray is one of them. A masterpiece, and like you said; it's not because it has complex story or anything like that - it's just a world you want to smell, feel and live in. Cameron really did a great job with the setting, both technically and artistically. The soundtrack is sooo good as-well.

Also, Neytiri is a fucking amazing character.
 
Hasardeur said:
well, that's just silly

read more science-fiction novels or heck, just play a game
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Oh, I have played alot and read some... still, Pandora is number fucking one.

Also, Neytiri is a fucking amazing character.
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Me, whole movie.
 
The hate that this movie gets online is hilarious and pathetic.
 
Actually one complaint I have (and I remember reacting the same in the cinema), WHY OH WHY would you, when you are on an alien planet go around and touch mushrooms like things just because they disappear and/or make funny lights?
 
fanboi said:
Another good thing that Cameron did was that he knew that people would get jaw dropped by the visuals, so instead of making complex characters he made the visuals work to in his favour, making the story more engaging (aka everything is connected to one and another in a "spirutal" sense) since everything is so colourful and alien in a very beautiful way.
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Hahahahahaha. Yeah, it's a good thing no complex characters got in the way of that.
 
I enjoyed it the first time I watched it but on subsequent watches the length of the film just irritates me now to the point where I can't stand seeing it on. It just doesn't know when to end.
 
fanboi said:
So, now... why do you hate/love it?
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It's a shallow tech-demo and blatant revenue whore for its movie studio. There's nothing to like about this movie except some of the flora (the fauna was shit). Everything was so flat, but they got what they wanted from me: money for ticket + money 3D specs. Gotta keep bums on seats somehow, huh Hollywood?
 
daviyoung said:
It's a shallow tech-demo and blatant revenue whore for its movie studio. There's nothing to like about this movie except some of the flora (the fauna was shit). Everything was so flat, but they got what they wanted from me: money for ticket + money 3D specs. Gotta keep bums on seats somehow, huh Hollywood?
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Didn't I tell you guys back then that people would be saying this?

News flash, davi: Avatar was a huge goddamn risk before it released BECAUSE it was 3D. There was talk of it bombing to the point where you would be forgiven for thinking you were back in 1997.

Hindsight is 20/20 so now you have people saying 'Of COURSE the 3D factor was going to give it commercial appeal and an extra financial boost!', even though before it released 3D was seen as a huge turn off for audiences and films were lucky if it made up 15% of ticket sales from 3D. Then you had FOX coming out saying they were going to release it wide in 3D, with 2D screenings being limited to the backup screens.

There was nothing blatant about it. It was ambitious and risky and it paid off in spades.

And no, great visuals can obviously NEVER act as a substitute for a good story. But the experience Cameron created and the way he shot and meticulously structured the film meant that it was a great film DESPITE its simple surface narrative.
 
Oh please, it would have been risky if it was just put up there and they hoped for a sleeper hit without the years of talk on how 3D was coming back IN A BIG WAY. As far as I know it also wasn't the first 3D film in this new wave of 3D money grabbers either. The pre-release hype was of new Star Wars and Apple magnitude. We couldn't wait to see the next generation of cinema, we couldn't even get seats in most screenings. But we were happy to sit on the stairs, this was the new dawn of film all right.

And then:

Oh, that's it?
 
fanboi said:
First, this movie is a masterpiece... and not in the sense of an complex and deep story. Its all about the presentation and the feeling of you really being there and really WANT to be there... the fauna etc of Pandora is so awe inspireing that you would jump the light speed in a heart beat.

Another good thing that Cameron did was that he knew that people would get jaw dropped by the visuals, so instead of making complex characters he made the visuals work to in his favour, making the story more engaging (aka everything is connected to one and another in a "spirutal" sense) since everything is so colourful and alien in a very beautiful way.
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You know I can understand this line of reasoning if it's being made by other people. But for fucks sake, this is NeoGAF. Gamers should have seen all that shit already in games like Final Fantasy ten years before Avatar even screened.

As it is, Avatar is the most incredibly overrated movie I've ever seen.
 
fanboi said:
Another good thing that Cameron did was that he knew that people would get jaw dropped by the visuals, so instead of making complex characters he made the visuals work to in his favour
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I agree that the visuals and the technical performances are amazing, but he could have done both (good visuals AND complex characters/story). Sacrificing the characters for the visuals smells too much like like the Transformers method to me. It's a good thing Cameron is superior to Bay and could still make a good movie.
 
I liked it. Gorgeous design, great music, nice simple plot, it was good. A modern masterpiece? No. A cynical cash grab? Also no.

It's just a decent sci-fi movie with fantastic effects. Why does it have to be anything more or less?
 
daviyoung said:
Oh please, it would have been risky if it was just put up there and they hoped for a sleeper hit without the years of talk on how 3D was coming back IN A BIG WAY. As far as I know it also wasn't the first 3D film in this new wave of 3D money grabbers either. The pre-release hype was of new Star Wars and Apple magnitude. We couldn't wait to see the next generation of cinema, we couldn't even get seats in most screenings. But we were happy to sit on the stairs, this was the new dawn of film all right.

And then:

Oh, that's it?
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Short memory? That may have been what FOX was pimping it as for a while ON THE INTERNET around movie sites. Yet even on the internet Avatar had bad buzz since the initial teaser was shown and the backlash immediately started.

Two months out from release, most people didn't even know what Avatar was. Not until the final 3m30s theatrical trailer was put in front of every goddamn movie about 5 weeks out from release did audiences start getting wise to Avatar. So you suggesting they made and packaged it all as an easy sell is showing a lot of ignorance on your part.

And it was Cameron that spearheaded the 3D new wave. It was him that turned Lucas onto 3D after shooting his doco in 2004/ 2005 in 3D. He needed other big names to jump on board and Lucas was an easy sell.
 
ElyrionX said:
You know I can understand this line of reasoning if it's being made by other people. But for fucks sake, this is NeoGAF. Gamers should have seen all that shit already in games like Final Fantasy ten years before Avatar even screened.

As it is, Avatar is the most incredibly overrated movie I've ever seen.
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Just because they have done alien worlds in FF games doesn't mean that there can be better, no?
 
Scullibundo said:
Short memory? That may have been what FOX was pimping it as for a while ON THE INTERNET around movie sites. Yet even on the internet Avatar had bad buzz since the initial teaser was shown and the backlash immediately started.

Two months out from release, most people didn't even know what Avatar was. Not until the final 3m30s theatrical trailer was put in front of every goddamn movie about 5 weeks out from release did audiences start getting wise to Avatar. So you suggesting they made and packaged it all as an easy sell is showing a lot of ignorance on your part.

And it was Cameron that spearheaded the 3D new wave. It was him that turned Lucas onto 3D after shooting his doco in 2004/ 2005 in 3D. He needed other big names to jump on board and Lucas was an easy sell.
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Ok, it's always nice for you to persisently insult me when you don't agree with me, it's why I'm here after all. Maybe link me to where Avatar hype wasn't through-the-roof or where it wasn't peddled as the next big thing? Where did people think it would fail? I am open to looking at all these early naysayers.
 
This movie is the one thing in media where I can not fathom at all why it was popular. There are plenty of things that I don't like but can still acknowledge as to why they are popular. With Avatar, my brain just simply can't comprehend it. I wanted to like this movie as I love Cameron but this movie just pisses me off.
 
Also to be more clear, I'm not saying great visuals can replace story and charachters... just in this case you cared so much more about the story and got more "engaged" since it was so visual apealing.
 
ElyrionX said:
You know I can understand this line of reasoning if it's being made by other people. But for fucks sake, this is NeoGAF. Gamers should have seen all that shit already in games like Final Fantasy ten years before Avatar even screened.

As it is, Avatar is the most incredibly overrated movie I've ever seen.
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these are my exact thoughts about this movie - been there, seen it before. And since Avatar has absolutely nothing going for it but the visuals (certainly not the plot or characters), I left disappointed.
 
daviyoung said:
Ok. It was still rubbish.
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Do you honestly think it was rubbish? As in, sub par? I mean, I agree that it ain't no masterpiece, but it has great music and production design, top notch effects, good acting (Worthington aside), more that passable writing.

You may have been disappointed but come on man, it's not "rubbish".
 
ElyrionX said:
You know I can understand this line of reasoning if it's being made by other people. But for fucks sake, this is NeoGAF. Gamers should have seen all that shit already in games like Final Fantasy ten years before Avatar even screened.

As it is, Avatar is the most incredibly overrated movie I've ever seen.
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Or, you know, perhaps gamers might appreciate it more for actually taking the fantastical environments they've seen in their video games and making it look fucking real rather than leaving it like this:

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Salvor.Hardin said:
Or, you know, perhaps gamers might appreciate it more for actually taking the fantastical environments they've seen in they're video games and making it actually look fucking real.
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This aswell... I can't understand the reasoning behind "oh you play video games hurr durr you shouldn't like X art/floura/fauna since it has been in X game already"
 
-NinjaBoiX- said:
Do you honestly think it was rubbish? As in, sub par? I mean, I agree that it ain't no masterpiece, but it has great music and production design, top notch effects, good acting (Worthington aside), more that passable writing.

You may have been disappointed but come on man, it's not "rubbish".
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I can't rewatch it and I can rewatch most blockbusters without a problem, but Avatar is so bad there is really no reason to want to see it again. The movie is pretty much all effects, everything else is annoying, flaccid and distracting. Once the initial majesty wears off it's boring, glossy and boring and despite feeling burned for wasting my money on it, it's made literally no impression on me other than the scary precedent it's set for modern Hollywood.
 
Scullibundo said:
You know Ridley Scott only decided to make Prometheus because of Avatar? He's also using Cameron's patented 3D camera systems.

You can't escape!
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That's great and all but the stuff that will make Prometheus a good movie has nothing to do with Cameron.
 
Good Job Bob said:
I bet a lot of the people who are shitting on it for having a generic/predictable plot will be first in line to see 'The Avengers' at their local movie theater.
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I saw Avengers last night, and certainly thought it was better than Avatar. I don't hate Avatar, but it disappointed the hell out of me, considering what Cameron has done in sci-fi in the past.

Nether of these two movies gives much of a rat's ass about the plot, but while Avatar hedges its bets on its visuals, Avengers relies on its characters, so I just found it a more engaging action movie.
 
robertsan21 said:
oh so on what Blu ray edition do I find the extended version and this 40 min of scenes that didnt make it ?
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Avatar Extended edition. The Extended Cut is 17 minutes longer than the theatrical cut and on the second disc you can watch more than 40 minutes worth of other scenes that aren't in either cut. Insane how much good shit didn't make it because of how expensive it would have been to render it all (not to mention the run time).
 
I really enjoyed it the first time I saw it, but repeat viewings drag because the story sections are so dull. I find myself fast forwarding just to get to the action/eye candy sections.

It was a great first viewing though. It's just one of those experiences that don't hold up after that.
 
Awesome film. Felt a little dissapointed at first, was hyped up about the movie long before it came out, but appreciated it a lot more once I owned it on Blu-Ray. Can watch it over and over again, if just for the visuals alone.

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Scullibundo said:
Avatar Extended edition. The Extended Cut is 17 minutes longer than the theatrical cut and on the second disc you can watch more than 40 minutes worth of other scenes that aren't in either cut. Insane how much good shit didn't make it because of how expensive it would have been to render it all (not to mention the run time).
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hehe well even if it had been expensive to render, they obviously would have made a profit on the film anyway :)

Thanks, Will run out and buy it.
 
Can't say I hate it. I just find it pointless. Aside from the technical aspects it has nothing going for itself. I have absolutely no urge to watch it again and I doubt I ever will.
 
Speaking of the bad internet buzz leading up to Avatar. I wonder if anybody now doubts it was a game-changer/revolutionary. People were laughing their asses off at the concept that the movie would change anything.

Now years on and it's more of a struggle to find a 2D screening of a blockbuster film.
 
Fanboi.

Your avatar. its from a music video that I have been looking for, you know the name of that music video or have a link to youtube?
 
Scullibundo said:
Speaking of the bad internet buzz leading up to Avatar. I wonder if anybody now doubts it was a game-changer/revolutionary. People were laughing their asses off at the concept that the movie would change anything.
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How much of that monstrous marketing budget was spent on you? ;)
 
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